Convulsions of hunted animals information request

[tmaly33]

Have you an experience with the post mortal convulsions of hunted or butchered animals?
It's the point of the research I am working on.

I am the member of research team, we do the research on nerves for both human and vet medicine, including the bionic arm development.

Because we don't want to kill the animals just for our observations, I'm looking for the hunters or butchers. who may film these convulsions for us.

I am interesting for the clonic convulsions. It means the shakes or rythmic movements of muscles that will appear when the brain is damaged and the spine takes the control over the body.
Many people think, that the animal is kicking because of the pain, but that's not truth. It is just the reflex controlled by the spine. It means that the brain is out of order.

If you'll have the good luck and take the closeup of these convulsions to video, contact me please.
Preferred are big muscular animals such as horses, donkeys, zebras, 'roos. Most interesting for us are the convulsions of (hind) leg muscles.

If you wanna send me the video privately, use this page

http://www.gstavka.cz/upload.htm

password is contractions

if this will not work to you, or if you have an question, then write me an e-mail.

Tom
Czechia
e-mail: tmaly33 @ gmail.com

[Juker]

(question updated, my post irrelevant...)

[jack404]

Folks, G'day

The top post is by Doc Tom , and i'd like to explain a bit and ask you to help him if you can

These folks are doing research on a few different things , what we know is that when something dies of total brain stoppage ( like when i put a .223 through a roo) the spine can take over some nearve responces , almost like the spine is a second brain , and in some ways it is but oly on a nerve level

the Doc's have realise many painkillers could be much more effective if used against the spine instead of the brain and for much longer without people becomeing used to the effects or addicted as the spine does not have the same level of complexity as the brain

theres a lot of things the docs would like to do but our PC world does not let them ,

but what they could learn could help many of us. so if you can help , please do ..

like the doc said they are interested in the big muscle shakes that could pin point the various centres they are chasing

its not pretty work but its needed badly , and the team will make sure your help is kept quiet if that what you wish , we all know what the greeny libtards think of hunters , but the fact is the medical researchers need our help , to help all of us long term

thanks for your time to read this

cheers

jack

[JLA]

I was telling Jack a couple days ago that If you guys had come knocking about 6 months ago i would have filmed a horse I had to put down.

It was a miniature horse, approximately 450 pounds. He had gotten into the hay shed where I keep the bails for the beef heifers and had his fill and ended up with botulism. Needless to say it was destroying his brainstem slowly and the vet advised me to have him put to sleep.

So i shot him in the top of the head with a .460 rowland. Im 99% sure the bullet destroyed his brainstem and went on into his neck. His brain was most certainly dead before he hit the ground because he didnt try to breathe at all and his eyes were glassed just seconds after. His hind quarters, upper thigh and back muscles on his rear convulsed for a good 5 minutes post mortem, starting with slow even flexing making his hind legs , mostly his right one, do a slow kicking motion, then as the convulsions got less pronounced the larger muscles in his body began to tremble and did so for about 3 minutes or so.. All in all it took him a good 5-6 minutes to completely stop moving.. then I buried him with a backhoe..

[Bobitis]

Thanks Jack. I read that this AM and thought it was the most bizarre post I'd ever read.

Good luck Dr. Tom.

[jack404]

yes it is strange , sadly the PC types have forced our medical researchers to ask this of us, the lowly hunter , to help them find out what they need to know to help us all.

i'm no expert , Doc Tom and the other folks who do this work are , and the work they do is important ,

thanks for your time and support on this , it is strange but necessary..

cheers

[permafrost]

Thanks for clarifying, Jack. When I first read his post, I thought he was a troll looking for something to condemn hunting with! Sorry.

[jack404]

The shakes we are talking about ONLY happen when the brain is gone ( non functioning)

i Invited the good doc along here as they need this info and it will help a lot of folks and critters ( new range of pain killers, better working knowledge of the nervous system etc etc etc)

so if you have anything along these lines , please contact the doc directly

cheers

[tmaly33]

Originally Posted by JLA

So i shot him in the top of the head with a .460 rowland. Im 99% sure the bullet destroyed his brainstem and went on into his neck. His brain was most certainly dead before he hit the ground because he didnt try to breathe at all and his eyes were glassed just seconds after. His hind quarters, upper thigh and back muscles on his rear convulsed for a good 5 minutes post mortem, starting with slow even flexing making his hind legs , mostly his right one, do a slow kicking motion, then as the convulsions got less pronounced the larger muscles in his body began to tremble and did so for about 3 minutes or so.. All in all it took him a good 5-6 minutes to completely stop moving.. then I buried him with a backhoe..

This is most correct way how to kill the large animals. Be sure he stopped to feel as fast as the bullet came into his brain.

When the hunter can see these movemnts you described, he can be sure that the animal does not suffer.

This is just what I am looking for.

Horses are very good object for this observation. They are muscular vith athletic body and the movements of their muscles might be observed easily.
And thery have very intensive convulsions too.

[tmaly33]

Informations how to send the video file moved to the leading message.

[tmaly33]

Are they still shooting feral horses and donkeys in Australia and NZ? Maybe these guys may help me.

Or maybe the farmers...

[jack404]

Tom as stated in the messages i will advise you of the major culls we are having and i'll try to put you in contact with the hunters , and that will be ongoing as the various culls are brought in and out ( start and stop) ,

the next big cull is for camels ( in the Northern Territory and Western Australia) and donkeys (South Australia and Victoria ), the greens won the fight on the horses so they are being rounded up and shipped ( but this may change again , thats environmental politics in Australia at the moment )

[JLA]

next one I have to put down Ill film for you guys. Course it could be tomorrow, or next month, or next year.. I wont know til about an hour or 2 before i have to do it..

[tmaly33]

BTW, how many kilograms is 450 pounds?

[JLA]

About 200 kilos

[zkovach]

Hey Jack I heard your government is giving tax credits or something to shoot camels in austrailia! This is supposed to offset the hoax of global warming by subtracting camel farts. I'm not joking here. It looks like u could kill two birds with one stone.

[tmaly33]

I enabled all registered users to write me email directly. So if you wanna ask or tell me something, feel free to do it.

[jack404]

the greens are talking about allowing camel culls , as they are feral critters ( finally they say so ) but i dont trust em , and i dont shoot for tax credits , it wont pay the $10,000 - $12,0000 fuel bill on which i'll pay $1000 + in taxes , it wont pay the manditory $ 8500 in insurances for my fellow shooters , and tax credits aint gonna pay for the meat to be processed and shipped offshore to make a trade credit back to this nation ...

the greens want cash for their work , tell em to find some idiot who will work for tax credits as there aint none left in Australia thats so stupid , to long have the greens been around even the brain dead know they are useless

[zkovach]

Originally Posted by jack404

the greens are talking about allowing camel culls , as they are feral critters ( finally they say so ) but i dont trust em , and i dont shoot for tax credits , it wont pay the $10,000 - $12,0000 fuel bill on which i'll pay $1000 + in taxes , it wont pay the manditory $ 8500 in insurances for my fellow shooters , and tax credits aint gonna pay for the meat to be processed and shipped offshore to make a trade credit back to this nation ...

the greens want cash for their work , tell em to find some idiot who will work for tax credits as there aint none left in Australia thats so stupid , to long have the greens been around even the brain dead know they are useless

I was surprised to hear that story. It's sounds so crazy I believe Obama may make it law here soon!

[jack404]

translated , the greens in allowing camel culls but by removing any payments or bounties , and replacing them with carbon credits have made every pro shooter in this nation unemployed and at the mercy of the big mining companies as they will accept carbon credits against there carbon foot print and pay wages to shooters to cull critters but this wages deal will be the end of the self employed game control shooter in this nation , next we'll see the rules change again saying private individuals dont need powerful rifles any more as the government covers it all now or some other crap .. these greens things dont screw folks half way , they generally totally screw folks over and then later put the boot into em

[zkovach]

Sorry to hear that Jack. As I havenoticed in the last few years, everytime government passes a law freedom dies, Government grows, people lose their jobs, choices are limited to one, and debt and deficit increases.

I was never political until these last couple of years because our country is spiralling downward. Good luck with yours. At some point it would be great to have politicians just do the right thing not what sounds good.

[jack404]

i just wish them to have at least a minute ammount of common sence..

a tiny ammount would make a huge difference , but these clowns they want to tax carbon dioxide , so send the bill to chile as their volcanoe has upped the CO2 levels globally 4 times ( yes in the past week there is 4 times the Co2 than before the eruption) so whats this mean ? i'll tell you from the past eruptions , the plants will eat the extra CO2 and bank it as they always do , tree rings will also show the extra growth ( and have done for centuries) but we must pay a tax on a natural plant food made in nature ?? what BS is this ? and to pay people in carbon credits ?? ya cant eat carbon ... ya cant swap them for food unless you sell them to a big company that wants them and they'll pay what they want to pay not the face value some politician puts on them but they'll count as income so you'll have to pay taxes on them , but without cash your in debt to the government again, the government have confirmed that they will not accept carbon credits to pay bills or taxes , so they have made them a worthless piece of paper before they have begun ....

paying people in carbon credits , what rot!!! how about ya pay them in rays of sunshine ?? at least sunshine has a value and a use , carbon credits dont other than to send our wealth to the ones who want it

[JLA]

Dang.. sounds like the greens dont bother with the vaseline and arent too keen on giving reach-arounds either... Sorry for you Jack. Y'all deserve better..

[jack404]

s'ok we'll run the socialists outta this nation , there islamist mates and their liberal sharia crap- too , i feel sorry for you folks , why ? You fund all this crap , the soros group last year got almost a billion bucks from the USA via various means and sent it all over the world to fund this crap .. then we can get back to rebuilding this place after so mamny tyears of socialists running it into the ground as that the only thing they know how to do ..

build something ?? besides division? besides contempt no they dont create anything worthwhile , only pain suffering and a resentment that i see daily in the population , times a coming folks , the revolution is a commin , get them socialist ready as its almost wall time ... and a big salvo on that will be fired off tonight , foot bridge theater Sydney University 6:30 pm tonight , a call to all loyal Australians to take a stand to save this nation from the islamists and their socialist friends , and showing just how much islmic drug profits our politicians are receiving and why they vote as they do , against Australians and for drug dealing scum ... and who the brokers are .. the socialists

No more watermelon politics ( green outside red inside)

[JLA]

I know. And it makes me sick. Every payday when i look at my paystub and see that Uncle Sam has taken yet another 700 bucks from my pocket. I hate paying taxes, especially since i know where its going...