But will they be ready the next time? - The Firearms Forum

Alpo · 11-05-2012, 08:54 AM

http://www.allnewissuescomic.com/201...gratification/

Ignore the comic. Read the author's comments below it.

No heat. No gas. No power. Has to go to Dad's bar to cook ('cause the bar has power). Having to decide whether to drive to a friend's, who has power, so you are warm, because it uses up gas.

She says, >Let me tell you, no heat when it’s 30 degrees out sucks.<

I turn the heater off at night. Part of that is fear. I live in a wooden house and heat with gas. I'm afraid of fire. If I'm not home and awake, the heater's not on. And while it does not get as cold in Florida as it does in New Jersey, in the middle of winter it gets down in the high 20s. I put on my long underwear, a pair of wool socks, a knit cap and get under three or four blankets. I'm plenty warm. If you're up, stay in one room as much as possible and keep the doors shut, to keep your body heat in that room. Kerosene lamps and candles put out heat. You can't sit there in shorts and a t-shirt, but you won't freeze.

Sitting on the top shelf of my pantry is a Mr Heater.
http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F232...propane+heater

Runs off the one-pound bottles of propane. I've also got one like this, that clamps on the top of a 20-pound bottle.

http://www.amazon.com/Texsport-14217...propane+heater

I've got a coleman stove. Got Coleman, propane and kerosene lamps. Candles. Got a gas grill.

Don't have a lot, but I've got enough gas stored to fill up the truck.

Got food and water.

And that's not "getting ready for the big storm", that's just normal. I keep this stuff on hand.

So, you reckon this gal, and all the others up there, learned anything from this? Or the next time the power's gone, they'll go through the same thing?

MSGT-R · 11-05-2012, 08:59 AM

I thought a lot of those older homes in the north east had fireplaces or Franklin stoves (?)

wv hillbilly · 11-05-2012, 09:22 AM

i guess some of them think nothing will ever happen to them and if it does uncle sugar daddy will be right there to bail them out
just think that was a bad storm, dont get me wrong, but think of how many people will die if the shtf really happens. very few of us will be some what prepared.
i dont believe anyone can be totally prepared or have everything they need in a worse case serino

carver · 11-05-2012, 09:31 AM

I suppose they will be as prepared as the folks that live down in the south. With the human population growing, and cities getting larger, the body count will continue to rise as these storms hit. Then there are the dummies that want to stay put, and have a hurricane party! It's easy to rescue a few people, but when the numbers rise into the millions, things get really hard to contorl, and coordinate.

Twicepop · 11-05-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MSGT-R

I thought a lot of those older homes in the north east had fireplaces or Franklin stoves (?)

Fuel oil is used in many of the homes in the north-east. Put that many people into an area that size, that close to sea level and you're going to have major problems when a storm of that magnitude hits.

Alpo · 11-05-2012, 10:32 AM

Y'all seem to be missing my point. This young lady had no means to heat or to see or to cook. Whatever gas she had was in the car. Probably had no food, and went to the market each day (though that's just a guess).

I have no problem with them not evacuating. I've evacuated twice, and sat out five. I'm not going anywhere again.

But I don't have to run to the store to get bread, milk and bottled water. I don't have to go wait in a gas line. Did that in '95, for Opal. Decided that would not happen again.

I cook and heat with natural gas. I don't expect it to go away. But if it does, I have alternative means to heat and cook with. Lights go off and I can light a lamp.

People need to take some precautions.

carver · 11-05-2012, 11:10 AM

I now see where you were going! So I would have to say that those that were prepared this time, will be the next time. Those that were not prepared probably won't be next time. I was up in NH, staying in my brothers camper when the storm hit, and knocked out the electricity. He had no way to heat, or cook, since his propane hoses were rotted, and leaked. I got him to take me to the store to get a catalitic heater that runs on the 1lb bottles of propane, but everyone was sold out. When I asked him about a Sterno stove, he had no idea what I was talking about, and they were all sold out of this item too. I keep them both on hand, and need a new heater to replace the old one. Kerosene lamps for every room, and extra kerosene on hand. Gave my kerosene heater to my son a few years ago, might be looking into replacing it soon. I also use gas to heat, and cook. If all else fails, I have a wood burning stove, but it's not in the house at this time.

stumpjumper · 11-05-2012, 08:06 PM

people in jersey prepare for blizzards. 3-5 days where you can't get out, but still for the most part have power. that's just what they're used to. not everyone has a fireplace; they went out of style in the 90's. this was extraordinary. when you gotta bail, just how many supplies can you cram in a subcompact car? take the food and tie the kids to the roof? found out one of the houses i used to live in wound up with 4 feet of water inside. even if i stayed, i'd be screwed and wind up having to leave, with no way to bring the supplies i laid in. point is, even the best laid plans sometimes aren't worth squat

WHSmithIV · 11-05-2012, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twicepop

Fuel oil is used in many of the homes in the north-east. Put that many people into an area that size, that close to sea level and you're going to have major problems when a storm of that magnitude hits.

Not only that, but that nice full tank of oil you just bought isn't going to keep you warm when the power goes out. The system needs electricity for the ignition and the blowers that circulate the warm air.

I have a wood stove and wood. Propane and elec. for backup.

nmckenzie · 11-05-2012, 09:23 PM

A nor'easter is supposedly on track towards the area devastated by Sandy, so I guess we'll be seeing who's ready for what. Sounds like things might be going from really bad to absolutely horrible for those poor folks.

WHSmithIV · 11-06-2012, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmckenzie

A nor'easter is supposedly on track towards the area devastated by Sandy, so I guess we'll be seeing who's ready for what. Sounds like things might be going from really bad to absolutely horrible for those poor folks.

I was a sailor all my life and am a US Navy vet. Well do I remember the storms. Went through the eye of a hurricane once on a 'tiny' destroyer escort. Not an experience I'd want to repeat.

Now, in my old age (at 52) I decided - well, I've never been a mountain man and I've always loved mountains. So, my wife and I took a chance, spent every dime we had, bought a place in the Rockies in Idaho and moved here from Finland. No ocean or seas here (I do miss the oceans a bit), but very safe and I now learn new things and change my survival skills to the area. This is the first time in my life I've ever been able to own my property. We are in our little bit of paradise on planet earth, have goats now and sheep (catching the sheep to shear them is a rather interesting task - fortunately we have our Lapphund Jysky and he happily corners the one we want). Soon we will get a couple horses.

I'm not leaving - my wife sure won't leave this place - she's a determined Finn. So, if Obozo and his goons try to come here I guess there will be some dead goons. I plan on staying and I'll protect my wife and our animals until I run out of ammo and I'll stab the last few if I have to. I am dying here and that's for sure.

I feel for the folks on the East Coast - I have family there. I joined the Navy from Plymouth Ma. and was a fisherman before I joined. Sadly, most of them never learned survival and so very many of them built that proverbial 'house upon the sand'. They didn't learn respect for the sea and her storms.

On the land, a nor' easter isn't a real problem. They don't quite get to the strength of a Carribean hurricane like Sandy. The direction they come from doesn't quite whip up the seas like a Sandy does (they do get high - just not quite 'so' high).

Time will tell for sure. Storms are going to get worse, not milder.

11-05-2012, 08:54 AM	#1
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,664	But will they be ready the next time? http://www.allnewissuescomic.com/201...gratification/ Ignore the comic. Read the author's comments below it. No heat. No gas. No power. Has to go to Dad's bar to cook ('cause the bar has power). Having to decide whether to drive to a friend's, who has power, so you are warm, because it uses up gas. She says, >Let me tell you, no heat when it’s 30 degrees out sucks.< I turn the heater off at night. Part of that is fear. I live in a wooden house and heat with gas. I'm afraid of fire. If I'm not home and awake, the heater's not on. And while it does not get as cold in Florida as it does in New Jersey, in the middle of winter it gets down in the high 20s. I put on my long underwear, a pair of wool socks, a knit cap and get under three or four blankets. I'm plenty warm. If you're up, stay in one room as much as possible and keep the doors shut, to keep your body heat in that room. Kerosene lamps and candles put out heat. You can't sit there in shorts and a t-shirt, but you won't freeze. Sitting on the top shelf of my pantry is a Mr Heater. http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F232...propane+heater Runs off the one-pound bottles of propane. I've also got one like this, that clamps on the top of a 20-pound bottle. http://www.amazon.com/Texsport-14217...propane+heater I've got a coleman stove. Got Coleman, propane and kerosene lamps. Candles. Got a gas grill. Don't have a lot, but I've got enough gas stored to fill up the truck. Got food and water. And that's not "getting ready for the big storm", that's just normal. I keep this stuff on hand. So, you reckon this gal, and all the others up there, learned anything from this? Or the next time the power's gone, they'll go through the same thing? __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies. -->

11-05-2012, 08:59 AM	#2
MSGT-R Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 903	Re: But will they be ready the next time? I thought a lot of those older homes in the north east had fireplaces or Franklin stoves (?) __________________ If you suck, go back to the range.

11-05-2012, 09:22 AM	#3
wv hillbilly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: mountains of wv. Posts: 2,017	Re: But will they be ready the next time? i guess some of them think nothing will ever happen to them and if it does uncle sugar daddy will be right there to bail them out just think that was a bad storm, dont get me wrong, but think of how many people will die if the shtf really happens. very few of us will be some what prepared. i dont believe anyone can be totally prepared or have everything they need in a worse case serino

11-05-2012, 09:31 AM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: But will they be ready the next time? I suppose they will be as prepared as the folks that live down in the south. With the human population growing, and cities getting larger, the body count will continue to rise as these storms hit. Then there are the dummies that want to stay put, and have a hurricane party! It's easy to rescue a few people, but when the numbers rise into the millions, things get really hard to contorl, and coordinate. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

11-05-2012, 10:32 AM	#6
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,664	Re: But will they be ready the next time? Y'all seem to be missing my point. This young lady had no means to heat or to see or to cook. Whatever gas she had was in the car. Probably had no food, and went to the market each day (though that's just a guess). I have no problem with them not evacuating. I've evacuated twice, and sat out five. I'm not going anywhere again. But I don't have to run to the store to get bread, milk and bottled water. I don't have to go wait in a gas line. Did that in '95, for Opal. Decided that would not happen again. I cook and heat with natural gas. I don't expect it to go away. But if it does, I have alternative means to heat and cook with. Lights go off and I can light a lamp. People need to take some precautions. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

11-05-2012, 11:10 AM	#7
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: But will they be ready the next time? I now see where you were going! So I would have to say that those that were prepared this time, will be the next time. Those that were not prepared probably won't be next time. I was up in NH, staying in my brothers camper when the storm hit, and knocked out the electricity. He had no way to heat, or cook, since his propane hoses were rotted, and leaked. I got him to take me to the store to get a catalitic heater that runs on the 1lb bottles of propane, but everyone was sold out. When I asked him about a Sterno stove, he had no idea what I was talking about, and they were all sold out of this item too. I keep them both on hand, and need a new heater to replace the old one. Kerosene lamps for every room, and extra kerosene on hand. Gave my kerosene heater to my son a few years ago, might be looking into replacing it soon. I also use gas to heat, and cook. If all else fails, I have a wood burning stove, but it's not in the house at this time. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 11-05-2012 at 11:12 AM..

11-05-2012, 08:06 PM	#8
stumpjumper Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: swflorida Contributor Posts: 655	Re: But will they be ready the next time? people in jersey prepare for blizzards. 3-5 days where you can't get out, but still for the most part have power. that's just what they're used to. not everyone has a fireplace; they went out of style in the 90's. this was extraordinary. when you gotta bail, just how many supplies can you cram in a subcompact car? take the food and tie the kids to the roof? found out one of the houses i used to live in wound up with 4 feet of water inside. even if i stayed, i'd be screwed and wind up having to leave, with no way to bring the supplies i laid in. point is, even the best laid plans sometimes aren't worth squat __________________ after three rounds you're just making noise Guns have only two enemies rust and politicians

11-05-2012, 09:23 PM	#10
nmckenzie Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sitka, Alaska Posts: 1,942	Re: But will they be ready the next time? A nor'easter is supposedly on track towards the area devastated by Sandy, so I guess we'll be seeing who's ready for what. Sounds like things might be going from really bad to absolutely horrible for those poor folks.