Colt Lightning .22 pump

[Rickv]

Need to know value of Colt pump .22 Lightning ---22-23 inch barrel and a serial # of 66142.Fairly good condition and a

Winchester .22 long rifle 1890 pump serial # 23792--octagon barrel-- some traces of blue and case color

Been in storage a long long time

[GunHugger]

Without actually looking at it I can't even guess the value. Compare yours to the ones on this page to get an idea as to what yours is worth.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Col...cfm?cat_id=590

Same with the Winchester...
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Win...cfm?cat_id=466

[hrf]

Welcome to TFF Rickv,

The prices listed by GunsInternational advertisers are asking prices, and you need to check recent sold prices on the online auctions.

Flayderman's Guide value ranges:

Standard .22 Lightening $325 VG - $1,000 Exc.

Model 1890 (2nd mod, serial range 15522-326615) $400 VG - $1,250 Exc.

[Jim K]

Something is wrong in the Winchester description. A Model 1890 in .22 Long Rifle can't have a serial number that low, and wouldn't have a case colored frame. It is either .22 Long or .22 WRF. Assuming it is in .22 Long, the Blue Book, usually more up to date than Flayderman's, gives a top value of c. $8000, down to c. $400.

The Colt barrel length should be 24", but it could be a special order. It is also .22 Long, not Long Rifle. The BB gives a top of $5500 down to $500 or so for 10% finish. The value will be less if the barrel has been cut or the rifle is not functional; many are found broken or worn out.

Jim

[GunHugger]

Well if we are going to whip out the price "guides" let's see what the current BB says.

I still think looking at the pictures I linked might be more help since condition can be compared. The average guy has a hard time knowing if his old gun is 90% or 30% most of the time. It's not easy for those that do it often.

LIGHTNING SLIDE ACTION - SMALL FRAME

Serial Number 66142 = 1902

.22 S or L cal., 24 in. barrel, open sights, walnut straight stock, round or octagon barrel, approx. 90,000 mfg. 1887-1904.

100% N/A
98% N/A
95% N/A
90% $6,000
80% $4,500
70% $4,000
60% $3,500
50% $3,000
40% $2,700
30% $2,250
20% $1,700
10% $1,000

Add 25% for deluxe model.

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WINCHESTER MODEL 1890

Serial Number 23792 - Made before 1908.

Actual records on the firearms which were manufactured between 1890 and 1907 are available from the “Cody Firearms Museum,” located at the “Buffalo Bill Historical Center.”

.22 S, L, LR, or WRF rimfire, cals. are non-interchangeable (don´t shoot a .22 S in a gun chambered for .22 L) and the barrel is marked for single cal. only, visible hammer, solid-frame (first 15,000) or takedown, 24 in. octagonal barrel, case hardened receivers until 1901, model nomenclature changed to Model 90 circa 1919 at approx. ser. no. range 640,000. Approx. 849,000 mfg. between 1890-1932.

Model 1890 Second Model Takedown
Color case hardened or blue receiver, takedown feature was added in 1892 after over 15,000 solid frames had been made, approx. ser. no. range 15,500-326,000. Mfg. 1892-1907.

Model 1890 Second Model Takedown w/Case Colored Receiver

100% N/A
98% $8,000
95% $5,500
90% $4,250
80% $3,250
70% $2,750
60% $2,200

[Jim K]

Hi, Gunhugger, I am confused. You say solid frames were made up to c. 15000, or 15500, but that 23792 would be a solid frame. 23792, made in 1894, would be a takedown model, not a solid frame. But the 1890 was not made for the .22 LR until 1919, well after 23792 was made.

There is considerable value difference between the early and scarce solid frame and the later takedown models, which it is why pictures are necessary. The caliber marking is important because if 23792 is marked .22 Long Rifle, the barrel has been replaced and (if it feeds .22 LR) the carrier as well.

Jim

[GunHugger]

Jim, Thank you, you are correct.

I edited the info and values for the 1890 above.

That post took some time, the wife came home from work and made supper and was yelling for me for a while. My mistake in a hurry to get done, glad you caught it.

[Rickv]

Originally Posted by Jim K

Something is wrong in the Winchester description. A Model 1890 in .22 Long Rifle can't have a serial number that low, and wouldn't have a case colored frame. It is either .22 Long or .22 WRF. Assuming it is in .22 Long, the Blue Book, usually more up to date than Flayderman's, gives a top value of c. $8000, down to c. $400.

The Colt barrel length should be 24", but it could be a special order. It is also .22 Long, not Long Rifle. The BB gives a top of $5500 down to $500 or so for 10% finish. The value will be less if the barrel has been cut or the rifle is not functional; many are found broken or worn out.

Jim

You are right-on the Winchester-it is a .22 long and the case is mottled..It is about 20% and works fine ...The colt has a nice barrel and furniture but the top screw is broken and is being repaired. It is a two dollar part but huge pain in the ass...Thanks for your help

[Rickv]

Originally Posted by Jim K

Hi, Gunhugger, I am confused. You say solid frames were made up to c. 15000, or 15500, but that 23792 would be a solid frame. 23792, made in 1894, would be a takedown model, not a solid frame. But the 1890 was not made for the .22 LR until 1919, well after 23792 was made.

There is considerable value difference between the early and scarce solid frame and the later takedown models, which it is why pictures are necessary. The caliber marking is important because if 23792 is marked .22 Long Rifle, the barrel has been replaced and (if it feeds .22 LR) the carrier as well.

Jim

I was wrong --It is a .22 long--serial is correct. It is hard to read it but its there...Thanks for the help

[Rickv]

Originally Posted by Rickv

I was wrong --It is a .22 long--serial is correct. It is hard to read it but its there...Thanks for the help

The barrel is not round ..It is square cut ---kind of..I will take a picture

[GunHugger]

Manners...some don't have them I guess!

I spent a half hour or more looking up the reply above and the OP doesn't even notice it or doesn't have enough manners to at least say thanks.

I've had it with helping new members here and I won't do it again.

[Jim K]

I can understand, as it sometimes seems the words "thank you" are no longer part of the English language. Still, I get enjoyment out of answering questions (even ones nobody asked, hence my notorious "FWIW" stuff.

I, too, have spent time researching answers, sometimes even tearing down one of my guns to answer some question. The only thing that does tick me off is pulling down an antique gun (risking damage) to answer a question, only to have the questioner tell me I am not only wrong but an idiot. If he knew the answers, why did he ask?

FWIW (there I go again!) an 1890 can feed only one kind of cartridge because of the carrier used. Unlike later pumps, which can fire S, L, and LR interchangeably, the 1890 carrier is set up for one specific cartridge length, and there is no cartridge stop. So a gun made for .22 Long can't feed .22 Long Rifle; even though the case lengths are the same, the cartridge overall length is not.

Jim