Do you think the electoral college is out dated?

[jedwil]

http://www.nationalledger.com/news-t...t-611916.shtml

[Zhurh]

I'd have to agree with those who believe the electoral college is a necessary balance. I also fear a populace that votes for it's govt entitlement and against politicals who help preserve The Second Amendment.

[carver]

Originally Posted by Zhurh

I'd have to agree with those who believe the electoral college is a necessary balance. I also fear a populace that votes for it's govt entitlement and against politicals who help preserve The Second Amendment.

And that is exactly what is happening, population, private, and public, voting for what they can get. Even if it destroys our Nation! They only care about them selves, and what they can get right now!

[Old Grump]

No system is perfect but the electoral college is a buffer between the heavily populated liberal areas and the less densely populated suburban and rural areas. If you think the dead vote in Chicago is important to the Democrats now think how much more influence they would have if the election was determined strictly by popular vote.

[1 Eyed Jack]

Just got home from voting, even though I know it doesn't matter in Ca,

There is one state, my home state where I grew up that DOES use the EC in a more fair way, anybody know what I'm talking about and what state??

[geds]

Should the EC be done away with and the popular vote count instead? The answer in two words:

Al Gore

[Ledslnger]

I think it is flawed in the aspect that years ago I read a district here in Iowa voted for candidate A and the district administrator threw the electoral vote for candidate B. He did so because he felt the district members basically weren't intelligent enough to know what was good for them and make the right choice. So, he made it for them....in their best interest. I think that is TOTAL BS! That guy should have been hung by a rope IMO.

[Old Grump]

Originally Posted by Ledslnger

I think it is flawed in the aspect that years ago I read a district here in Iowa voted for candidate A and the district administrator threw the electoral vote for candidate B. He did so because he felt the district members basically weren't intelligent enough to know what was good for them and make the right choice. So, he made it for them....in their best interest. I think that is TOTAL BS! That guy should have been hung by a rope IMO.

And drug behind a 4WD vehicle through the countryside from farm to farm, township to township.

[FreeSovereign]

This topic amazes me at the lack of understanding, common sense, logic, deductive reasoning, and lack of education of the masses on the constitution, governmental structure, electoral college, basic math skills......all of which leads me to thank the founding fathers for getting it right the first time. It also reminds me of my own inability to master English Composition 1, 2, and 3.


If the dems win california, they won it, period. Whether you split the votes or not they still won. The states that have split their vote have bastardized the system by doing so, while others have not. States not playing by the same rules limits the power of an individual vote more than the original intent ever has.


As has been stated infinetly, WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY, we are a republic.

[norahc]

Instead of getting rid of the Electoral College, how about revamping it? Instead of a winner takes the whole state, the electoral votes are broken down by the results in each Congressional district?

[marlin795]

Maybe, seems a little corrupt.

[Appliancedude]

Yes its outdated and needs to be revamped. Want proof. Look at tonight's results

[hogger129]

I told you guys the electoral college has to go. If popular vote decided the election, Romney would be our President right now by (I think it said) 280k votes or so.

[fordtrucksforever]

What hurts is looking at a popular vote by county on the US. Its mostly red, with only small groups of densely populated blue areas.

[markfh]

Originally Posted by hogger129

I told you guys the electoral college has to go. If popular vote decided the election, Romney would be our President right now by (I think it said) 280k votes or so.

Blah blah blah... First of all the count isn't finished so you don't know he won the popular vote.

Second, it takes an amendment to get rid of it. Unless you just want to invalidate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights altogether in which case I'm for Texas becoming a Republic again and fu<k the rest of the country.

The problem isn't the electoral college it's us. How many that bitch and complain actually got off their azz and worked to get more votes for our side?

I'd bet not many.

[hogger129]

*meant to say 21k votes

[Appliancedude]

Originally Posted by markfh

Blah blah blah... First of all the count isn't finished so you don't know he won the popular vote.

Second, it takes an amendment to get rid of it. Unless you just want to invalidate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights altogether in which case I'm for Texas becoming a Republic again and fu<k the rest of the country.

The problem isn't the electoral college it's us. How many that bitch and complain actually got off their azz and worked to get more votes for our side?

I'd bet not many.

If Texas secedes I'm immigrating

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

Look my idea might be extreme, hell I thought of it in 30sec. My problem is Cali's 55 votes. And the dem gets them all, even though they hardly ever get more than 60% of the vote. 2008 was an anomoly in my opinion. The first black guy to run in a general and peoples chance to prove they wern't racist.

2004 Dem 54%
2000 Dem 52%
1996 Dem 51%
1992 Dem 46% win because of Perot

Yet even though their percentage isn't above 60% they get every vote. Tell me how that is fair. After all we are all about fairness in this country right?

Maybe a better idea is if you get at least 25% of the vote you get 1/4 of the electoral votes. Any way you slice it, in my opinion the electoral collage needs to be adjusted or gotten rid of

My daughter who lives in Sacramento thinks the state should be split up into THREE states to parallel the political leanings.

[Appliancedude]

Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

My daughter who lives in Sacramento thinks the state should be split up into THREE states to parallel the political leanings.

At least 2

[Dog Soldier]

The same Liberals who want to do away with Constl. protections want strong gun control. Better leave the EC in place.

[jjmitchell60]

Originally Posted by Dog Soldier

The same Liberals who want to do away with Constl. protections want strong gun control. Better leave the EC in place.

And that gents is the heart of my question! With tampering with the EC are we opening the door for the rest of the Constitution to be tampered with!

I ask the question thinking that the EC needs tweaking but instead the election process itself is what needs tweaking. The founding fathers bestowed the right to vote on "landed men" in the thought that you should be responsible to vote. Well we have grown a lot in that and we now allow those to vote who are not "landed men" but that is a s it should be HOWEVER we allow many to vote who have no right OR are not responsible enough to vote. Illegal aliens is one main group that comes to mind! We allow mail in voting which in itself open up corruption. We allow the votes to be counted by companies, not by the state officials who were originally given the duty and right to count the votes. Also can we say that any group of people that have been on government entitlements for generations are "responsible" voters? I under stand if you need a helping hand BUT that helping hand should not extend to a generational lifestyle. That is not being responsible.

In answering my own question, no the EC does not need to be abolished BUT we do need severe election REFORM!

[carver]

Originally Posted by jjmitchell60

And that gents is the heart of my question! With tampering with the EC are we opening the door for the rest of the Constitution to be tampered with!

I ask the question thinking that the EC needs tweaking but instead the election process itself is what needs tweaking. The founding fathers bestowed the right to vote on "landed men" in the thought that you should be responsible to vote. Well we have grown a lot in that and we now allow those to vote who are not "landed men" but that is a s it should be HOWEVER we allow many to vote who have no right OR are not responsible enough to vote. Illegal aliens is one main group that comes to mind! We allow mail in voting which in itself open up corruption. We allow the votes to be counted by companies, not by the state officials who were originally given the duty and right to count the votes. Also can we say that any group of people that have been on government entitlements for generations are "responsible" voters? I under stand if you need a helping hand BUT that helping hand should not extend to a generational lifestyle. That is not being responsible.

In answering my own question, no the EC does not need to be abolished BUT we do need severe election REFORM!

I could not have said it any better!

[carver]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

If Texas secedes I'm immigrating

Come on! Cali won't miss you, and you are welcome here! You know you are going to have to leave sooner, or later!

[JLA]

I personally do not like the concept of the EC. In my opinion it negates the voice of the individual. Popular vote should be the factor that decides whos the president. That way each and every ballot sheet cast has a face value. as it should..

[geds]

Interesting discussions, but the last time the popular vote was different than the EC vote was Al Gore vs. George Bush. Personally I am thankful for the EC!

As much as folks predicted a split this time around, it did not happen.