Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! - The Firearms Forum

ShawnDow · 11-02-2012, 11:14 AM

O.K., guys... I have exhausted my recourses looking for a breach block assembly for a Savage .22 pump rifle patent dated for 1906...
I have called Jack First, checked the usual on line old gun parts places....
Where can I get one? Do any of you have one your willing to part with..(for compensation of course). Or is this destined to become a non functional wall trophy?
Thanks for any input,
Shawn Dow

Jim K · 11-02-2012, 11:30 AM

Unless you can find a "junker" gun, or get very lucky, I think your Savage is going to be a wall hanger. You might be able to borrow a breech block and persuade a gunsmith or machine shop to copy it, but the work would cost way more than the old gun is worth.

Jim

aa1911 · 11-02-2012, 11:32 AM

hang on to it, you'll get lucky eventually and find another one for parts. gun shows if numrich doesn't have it. These things are over 100 years old and many still shoot very well. Just sucks that parts are almost non-existent and that they stopped making them.

packetsplace · 11-02-2012, 04:40 PM

ShawnDow, do you have the original breech block?

ShawnDow · 11-02-2012, 06:37 PM

No.. if I did I could try to make parts on my mill and lathe... if I had some thing to go by! Does any one have the blue prints to it?

steve99f · 11-02-2012, 07:31 PM

What you have is a Model 1903 Savage pump repeater with the box magazine in front of the trigger guard. Not a 1906 although many make that mistake.

The rifles were not model marked by Savage. The bolts, sometimes stripped, show up on various gun auction sites. Be patient, the gun is over a 100 years old probably.

Can you give a description or post pictures?

ShawnDow · 11-02-2012, 08:40 PM

steve99f, your right, it does have a magazine in front of the trigger guard. Ill get pics up in the morning. And Ill also take a pic of the "void" inside it.. may be i'm calling the part by the wrong name. But the assembly that is missing is the part that makes the magic of the monkey motion work.. and makes the gun go bang!

steve99f · 11-03-2012, 06:58 AM

I've attached an exploded view photo of the parts of a 1903 Savage. It's a great design. Not near the number of parts used for a tube fed pump.

ShawnDow · 11-03-2012, 07:08 AM

There.. that part.. (like that helped) the one you have under the barrel part of the receiver. I'm needing that whole assembly. Now.. thats called the breach block?

steve99f · 11-03-2012, 09:56 AM

I can't see where you're pointing Shawn.

When you take the receiver apart using the takedown screw, does anything fall out?

The bolt or breech block as at the very bottom of my picture with the elongated slot.

ShawnDow · 11-03-2012, 11:14 AM

Nothing falls out! there in lyes my problem! Im looking for that illusive breach block assembly.

ShawnDow · 11-03-2012, 11:19 AM

through the magic of cropping! There... that thinggy!

steve99f · 11-03-2012, 12:14 PM

Shawn,

That is the bolt or breech block. Can you PM me your serial number? I am running a spreadsheet for the 1903's, 1914's and Model 25's to develop some idea when things changed. X out the last 2 digits if you want.

ShawnDow · 11-03-2012, 12:59 PM

Here you go steve99f
Some one got board and engraved both sides of the receiver!
See anything missing inside of mine?

steve99f · 11-03-2012, 03:31 PM

Shawn, that is factory engraving.

Savage called that their Gold Medal (GM) grade. I'm interested if you're selling.

ShawnDow · 11-03-2012, 03:45 PM

the stock is also checkered. Its not mine, Im just the want to be fixer of old stuff... Ill talk to the owner tomorrow, and let him know some one is interested. whats it worth to you in its present condition? want more pics ? I can P.M. you.

steve99f · 11-03-2012, 03:51 PM

The checkering looks correct for the grade. Let's go PM.

Sav22 · 11-05-2012, 07:10 PM

Shawn, The gun appears to be a 1903/1914 style. (There is no Model 1906 - that is just the year the patent was granted). I am quite sure any 1903 bolt would fit but the correct bolt for this vintage would probably have been the version with the improved & stronger extractor that was mounted on the outside of the bolt. Bolts will be found with either an open or closed loop that goes on the action arm, either will work.

It is interesting that your gun still has the early type action lock rod, it changted slightly in later guns and if you put an early type arm in a late gun you will never get the receiver halves back together,

The gun looks great, worn but clean - hopefully they just want it put back inworking order and not 'restored', that would be a shame on this rare of gun. I have two Gold Medal grades earlier than that one and when compared you can see some real differences in the engraving on mine. I can get you some more details if you need them.

ShawnDow · 11-05-2012, 07:33 PM

Sav22.. Im relaying what Im learning to the owner.. the Firearm has been in his family for a while.. But, Im sure if you share your information with steve99f.. he would have a heart attack! Has already given me so much information its a little embarrassing... I THOUGHT i had decent info by researching on-line... But the more Im learning the funner this gets.. So If you feel there are some cool tid bits that I should know (or any one reading this post) please feel free to enlighten us.
OH... NO I'm not restoring it... just want to make it functional and safe!
Shawn

Sav22 · 11-05-2012, 09:23 PM

Shawn, actually Steve & I know each other quite well from another forum, I don;t frequent this one and would not have found this thread if not for an email from him!

Here is some info from our correspondence that might be of interest -

"The Gold Medal (& other grades) were still all listed for the 1903 & 1914 as late as catalog No 60. It seems to be well accepted that there were only 1000 1903's made after WWI and that was in 1922, I would put this gun before WWI (1914 to ~ 1916). The highest pre-1914 style I have is 138912 and the lowest 1903/1914 style is 142256. I lettered my no. 146955 and it is one of the 1000 from 1922 - I doubt it was the last of those 1000 but if it were then the lowest post-WWI number possible at would be 145955 and going the other way the highest pre-war possible at 146954."

From the numbers, even thought there are some big gaps, I come up with an estimate for the most of this style of 1903 that could have been made by taking one of the last 1000 made and assuming it to be the 'first of the last' I added 1000, then taking the highest I know of the previous style and adding 1 I get (146955 + 1000) - (138912 + 1) = 9042 which is not a lot ... and to have one of those few that's engraved is really got to be rare. Going the other way lowest production estimate for this style would be higest I know minus the lowest I know or 146955 - 142256 = 4699, which is really low.

Here are a couple to compare with to see how the engraving varied - one from 1908 and one from 1910

aa1911 · 11-08-2012, 05:52 PM

thanks for sharing the info and good pics!

love these little guns.

11-02-2012, 11:14 AM	#1
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! O.K., guys... I have exhausted my recourses looking for a breach block assembly for a Savage .22 pump rifle patent dated for 1906... I have called Jack First, checked the usual on line old gun parts places.... Where can I get one? Do any of you have one your willing to part with..(for compensation of course). Or is this destined to become a non functional wall trophy? Thanks for any input, Shawn Dow __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span! -->

11-02-2012, 11:30 AM	#2
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Unless you can find a "junker" gun, or get very lucky, I think your Savage is going to be a wall hanger. You might be able to borrow a breech block and persuade a gunsmith or machine shop to copy it, but the work would cost way more than the old gun is worth. Jim

11-02-2012, 11:32 AM	#3
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,120	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! hang on to it, you'll get lucky eventually and find another one for parts. gun shows if numrich doesn't have it. These things are over 100 years old and many still shoot very well. Just sucks that parts are almost non-existent and that they stopped making them. __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

11-02-2012, 04:40 PM	#4
packetsplace V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 162	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! ShawnDow, do you have the original breech block?

11-02-2012, 06:37 PM	#5
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! No.. if I did I could try to make parts on my mill and lathe... if I had some thing to go by! Does any one have the blue prints to it? __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-02-2012, 07:31 PM	#6
steve99f V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 274	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! What you have is a Model 1903 Savage pump repeater with the box magazine in front of the trigger guard. Not a 1906 although many make that mistake. The rifles were not model marked by Savage. The bolts, sometimes stripped, show up on various gun auction sites. Be patient, the gun is over a 100 years old probably. Can you give a description or post pictures?

11-02-2012, 08:40 PM	#7
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! steve99f, your right, it does have a magazine in front of the trigger guard. Ill get pics up in the morning. And Ill also take a pic of the "void" inside it.. may be i'm calling the part by the wrong name. But the assembly that is missing is the part that makes the magic of the monkey motion work.. and makes the gun go bang! __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-03-2012, 06:58 AM	#8
steve99f V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 274	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! I've attached an exploded view photo of the parts of a 1903 Savage. It's a great design. Not near the number of parts used for a tube fed pump. Attached Images

11-03-2012, 07:08 AM	#9
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! There.. that part.. (like that helped) the one you have under the barrel part of the receiver. I'm needing that whole assembly. Now.. thats called the breach block? __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-03-2012, 09:56 AM	#10
steve99f V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 274	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! I can't see where you're pointing Shawn. When you take the receiver apart using the takedown screw, does anything fall out? The bolt or breech block as at the very bottom of my picture with the elongated slot.

11-03-2012, 11:14 AM	#11
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Nothing falls out! there in lyes my problem! Im looking for that illusive breach block assembly. __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-03-2012, 11:19 AM	#12
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! through the magic of cropping! There... that thinggy! Attached Images __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-03-2012, 12:14 PM	#13
steve99f V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 274	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Shawn, That is the bolt or breech block. Can you PM me your serial number? I am running a spreadsheet for the 1903's, 1914's and Model 25's to develop some idea when things changed. X out the last 2 digits if you want.

11-03-2012, 12:59 PM	#14
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Here you go steve99f Some one got board and engraved both sides of the receiver! See anything missing inside of mine? Attached Images __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-03-2012, 03:31 PM	#15
steve99f V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 274	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Shawn, that is factory engraving. Savage called that their Gold Medal (GM) grade. I'm interested if you're selling.

11-03-2012, 03:45 PM	#16
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! the stock is also checkered. Its not mine, Im just the want to be fixer of old stuff... Ill talk to the owner tomorrow, and let him know some one is interested. whats it worth to you in its present condition? want more pics ? I can P.M. you. __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-03-2012, 03:51 PM	#17
steve99f V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 274	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! The checkering looks correct for the grade. Let's go PM.

11-05-2012, 07:10 PM	#18
Sav22 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Shawn, The gun appears to be a 1903/1914 style. (There is no Model 1906 - that is just the year the patent was granted). I am quite sure any 1903 bolt would fit but the correct bolt for this vintage would probably have been the version with the improved & stronger extractor that was mounted on the outside of the bolt. Bolts will be found with either an open or closed loop that goes on the action arm, either will work. It is interesting that your gun still has the early type action lock rod, it changted slightly in later guns and if you put an early type arm in a late gun you will never get the receiver halves back together, The gun looks great, worn but clean - hopefully they just want it put back inworking order and not 'restored', that would be a shame on this rare of gun. I have two Gold Medal grades earlier than that one and when compared you can see some real differences in the engraving on mine. I can get you some more details if you need them. Last edited by Sav22; 11-05-2012 at 07:18 PM..

11-05-2012, 07:33 PM	#19
ShawnDow V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tawas City, Michigan Posts: 398	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Sav22.. Im relaying what Im learning to the owner.. the Firearm has been in his family for a while.. But, Im sure if you share your information with steve99f.. he would have a heart attack! Has already given me so much information its a little embarrassing... I THOUGHT i had decent info by researching on-line... But the more Im learning the funner this gets.. So If you feel there are some cool tid bits that I should know (or any one reading this post) please feel free to enlighten us. OH... NO I'm not restoring it... just want to make it functional and safe! Shawn __________________ You can't prevent the inevitable.. only alter its time span!

11-05-2012, 09:23 PM	#20
Sav22 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! Shawn, actually Steve & I know each other quite well from another forum, I don;t frequent this one and would not have found this thread if not for an email from him! Here is some info from our correspondence that might be of interest - "The Gold Medal (& other grades) were still all listed for the 1903 & 1914 as late as catalog No 60. It seems to be well accepted that there were only 1000 1903's made after WWI and that was in 1922, I would put this gun before WWI (1914 to ~ 1916). The highest pre-1914 style I have is 138912 and the lowest 1903/1914 style is 142256. I lettered my no. 146955 and it is one of the 1000 from 1922 - I doubt it was the last of those 1000 but if it were then the lowest post-WWI number possible at would be 145955 and going the other way the highest pre-war possible at 146954." From the numbers, even thought there are some big gaps, I come up with an estimate for the most of this style of 1903 that could have been made by taking one of the last 1000 made and assuming it to be the 'first of the last' I added 1000, then taking the highest I know of the previous style and adding 1 I get (146955 + 1000) - (138912 + 1) = 9042 which is not a lot ... and to have one of those few that's engraved is really got to be rare. Going the other way lowest production estimate for this style would be higest I know minus the lowest I know or 146955 - 142256 = 4699, which is really low. Here are a couple to compare with to see how the engraving varied - one from 1908 and one from 1910 Attached Images Last edited by Sav22; 11-05-2012 at 09:36 PM..

11-08-2012, 05:52 PM	#21
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,120	Re: Savage 1906 .22 pump HELP! thanks for sharing the info and good pics! love these little guns. __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."