Tannerite problem in indiana - The Firearms Forum

ryan42 · 11-07-2012, 10:39 PM

All over are news channels they had an NBC affiliate in indianapolis get ahold of a state senato and demonstrate what tannerite is and how its sold and used.My problem with it was then they showed on tv this is what it will do if we double it.Then they put it in a mailbox.If people didnt already have the bad ideas leave it to the news channel to teach you how to misuse and perfectly safe product if used correctly.To my knowledge we have had no reports of misuse in indiana.I want to Email my news channel but I need some help with the wording for my case.Anyone want to help me build the rebuttal to this news report as to why they shouldnt take it away from us?

WHSmithIV · 11-07-2012, 10:45 PM

I'll help -

What is the name of the news channel? Do you want to send it in writing and/or post it on their website?

ryan42 · 11-07-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WHSmithIV

I'll help -

What is the name of the news channel?

go to wthr.com and its there top story.Theres a video as well.let me know after youve checked it out thanks

WHSmithIV · 11-07-2012, 10:55 PM

I had to search their site for it - I'm guessing this is the story you want to send a rebuttal for:
Senator wants to limit "easy access" to dangerous explosives

I also need to find out what exactly this product is to help you. I am not familiar with Tannerite so I know nothing about it - where do you normally buy it?

WHSmithIV · 11-07-2012, 11:03 PM

I sent you a personal message with my e-mail address. You can e-mail me directly back

I am happy to help and I will write the rebuttal for you so that you can send it and/or post it. Just so happens that I'm pretty good at this kind of stuff

Cheers,
Will

ryan42 · 11-07-2012, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHSmithIV

I had to search their site for it - I'm guessing this is the story you want to send a rebuttal for:
Senator wants to limit "easy access" to dangerous explosives

I also need to find out what exactly this product is to help you. I am not familiar with Tannerite so I know nothing about it - where do you normally buy it?

Ive only seen it at gunshops and sporting good stores. You can buy different size targets. They are a exploding target.It has 2 parts.You have to mix them together to activate it.Then you have to shoot it with a rifle usaully .223 some will go off when shot with a .22 rifle. My biggest complaint with them is they were complaining about people misusing the product and the then the idiots start showing people how to misuse it.If they wanted to show the senator what it can do thats fine but dont do it on television and give kids ideas.Its just one more thing they want to make illegal.I have not heard of any accidents with this stuff in Indiana.

nmckenzie · 11-07-2012, 11:04 PM

First heard about Tannerite (exploding targets etc.) about five years ago. Couldn't help wondering how long it'd take some doofus to create an issue over it. Reckon I now have my answer.

ryan42 · 11-07-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nmckenzie

First heard about Tannerite (exploding targets etc.) about five years ago. Couldn't help wondering how long it'd take some doofus to create an issue over it. Reckon I now have my answer.

You got it.

WHSmithIV · 11-07-2012, 11:37 PM

OK - I researched this and I can write a very good rebuttal that also proposes a compromise that will keep everyone happy (The politicians will love the compromise but it won't actually cause any real problem to those who want to buy the targets).

I only need to know how you want the rebuttal to be sent so I can help you know how to do so.

Cheers,
Will

Country101 · 11-08-2012, 07:43 AM

Tannerite is a binary exlposive. This means that it is made up of two inert ingredients that when mixed becomes volatile to an extent. It is basically made from ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder. The commercial stuff has a few other trace ingredients to make a little more theatrical. It is very stable and will only explode when impacted at aproximately 2000 fps. As a binary explosive, if unmixed, it can be shipped ups straight to your door with no problems. Also, until mixed, it is not considered an explosive, so you dont have to worry about big brother getting you. Once mixed, you had better use it on site, because it is classified then. It is typically used for long range shooting as a hit indicator. Although, I have seen a volkswagon blown up with it.

RYANINMICHIGAN · 11-08-2012, 09:47 AM

The stuff is just plain fun..

coyote 270 · 11-08-2012, 10:42 AM

Well, I can see I better order some more while I can, jeeeez. In all the years we have used Tannerite as a "Target Marker", I have never heard of anyone using it in a "Threatening or Illegal" manner.

soundguy · 11-08-2012, 12:55 PM

even with the limited application, detonation method and whatnot.. I'm amazed atf allows it in civilian use.. I do realize there is an amount limit for use though.. but still...

the potential for mis use is asounding in the right (wrong) hands

Rogeritall · 11-08-2012, 02:33 PM

Swell... I never knew you could use it for blowing up mail boxes and other stuff. Leave it to the News to teach a bunch of punks the wrong way to use things. :/

deadin · 11-08-2012, 02:36 PM

Why doesn’t this surprise me?
Given the predilection of the immature male mind for blowing things up it was bound to happen. I speak from experience as in my “youth” (I’m talking early teens) black powder and cannon fuse were available OTC to any one with the money. (If you didn’t have the money, chemistry sets of the period had much better stuff in them then do the current versions.) I spent many hours making models and then blowing them up. (Among other things.) Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, I outgrew this fascination. (Some do and some don’t.)
Tannerite appears to be similar to a “Fuel Bomb” (fertilizer and Diesel fuel) in that it takes two benign products and make an explosive from them. I suppose that the only way to “control” access would be to put one of the ingredients on a controlled substance list. Didn’t they do that with large purchases of fertilizer for a while? I don’t know if that worked out or not.
There’s lots of ”McGiverite” chemicals out there that anyone with a little knowledge, and the nerve to work with can make something destructive.

ryan42 · 11-08-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by deadin

Why doesn’t this surprise me?
Given the predilection of the immature male mind for blowing things up it was bound to happen. I speak from experience as in my “youth” (I’m talking early teens) black powder and cannon fuse were available OTC to any one with the money. (If you didn’t have the money, chemistry sets of the period had much better stuff in them then do the current versions.) I spent many hours making models and then blowing them up. (Among other things.) Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, I outgrew this fascination. (Some do and some don’t.)
Tannerite appears to be similar to a “Fuel Bomb” (fertilizer and Diesel fuel) in that it takes two benign products and make an explosive from them. I suppose that the only way to “control” access would be to put one of the ingredients on a controlled substance list. Didn’t they do that with large purchases of fertilizer for a while? I don’t know if that worked out or not.
There’s lots of ”McGiverite” chemicals out there that anyone with a little knowledge, and the nerve to work with can make something destructive.

My point exactly.Gasoline,deisel fuel,ammonia nitrate,fertilizer and the news isnt making a big deal over that.When the Oklahoma bombing happened they showed how to make the bomb on CNN.

nmckenzie · 11-08-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogeritall

Swell... I never knew you could use it for blowing up mail boxes and other stuff. Leave it to the News to teach a bunch of punks the wrong way to use things. :/

Once saw a pretty impressive KABOOM! created using nothing more than a cup of flour, an empty 55 gallon drum, and a lit candle. As best I recall (this was 50+ years ago) it was part of a science class demo out on the ballfield in high school. Can't imagine what'd happen if some news organization tumbled onto this - photo ID and NICS check for 5lb. sacks of flour maybe?

Rogeritall · 11-08-2012, 02:56 PM

My God I hate Ignorant Knee Jerk news stories like that... Sshshhhhh Don't anybody tell the about Black Powder, or Smokeless Powders, and what a pound or two of them will do. I'd still like to be able to shoot my Muzzle Loader and do some reloading next year.

IDIOTS... I live in Indiana and haven't heard of a single event involving Tannerite so far... Stinking news making up news before it even happens. Now if someone does misuse it, they will be like... See, we told you so. When they're the ones telling people it's there to misuse.

CampingJosh · 11-08-2012, 02:58 PM

I wouldn't worry about WTHR. We've got a Republican governor and a super-majority in both chambers of the legislature.

Those sissy liberal POSes can show whatever they want. No one cares.

Rogeritall · 11-08-2012, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmckenzie

Once saw a pretty impressive KABOOM! created using nothing more than a cup of flour, an empty 55 gallon drum, and a lit candle. As best I recall (this was 50+ years ago) it was part of a science class demo out on the ballfield in high school. Can't imagine what'd happen if some news organization tumbled onto this - photo ID and NICS check for 5lb. sacks of flour maybe?

Anyone who's ever seen a flash fire at a Grain Mill can attest to the power of dust in the air...

soundguy · 11-08-2012, 03:16 PM

yep.. dust explosions can be bad.

I've heard about it in drop ceilings with ac ducts and a chaffed wire.. never seen an ac duct exp.. mind you.. etc..

firefighter1635 · 11-08-2012, 04:48 PM

Tannerite is cool stuff. I was amazed that you could buy the stuff when I found out about it. Since then a friend has been buying alot of it.

BlackEagle · 11-09-2012, 04:12 PM

The news story:

http://www.wthr.com/story/20037286/s...ous-explosives

There are recipies on the internet for making your own.

WHSmithIV · 11-09-2012, 05:08 PM

I should have the rebuttal written for you tonight and I'll PM it to you.

mogunner · 11-09-2012, 06:46 PM

I have two ice cream buckets of aluminum filings sitting on my workbench, been meaning to build a ball mill to reduce it in size ever further and make some "home brew" to use down at my buddy's place on his shooting lane but super-dry condition this summer made it seem to be a "not-so-good" idea, we even stopped shooting the steel core surplus ammo until we got some rain. I've seen some vids of guys blowing up assorted stuff with it, but I hate to clean up microwave parts and the life off the lane aftewards so we were just going to shoot small containers of it...maybe next year!

11-07-2012, 10:39 PM	#1
ryan42 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: marion indiana Contributor Posts: 1,549	Tannerite problem in indiana All over are news channels they had an NBC affiliate in indianapolis get ahold of a state senato and demonstrate what tannerite is and how its sold and used.My problem with it was then they showed on tv this is what it will do if we double it.Then they put it in a mailbox.If people didnt already have the bad ideas leave it to the news channel to teach you how to misuse and perfectly safe product if used correctly.To my knowledge we have had no reports of misuse in indiana.I want to Email my news channel but I need some help with the wording for my case.Anyone want to help me build the rebuttal to this news report as to why they shouldnt take it away from us? __________________ Tommorrow is promised to know one! Ryan Stevens -->

11-07-2012, 10:45 PM	#2
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,615	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana I'll help - What is the name of the news channel? Do you want to send it in writing and/or post it on their website?

11-07-2012, 10:55 PM	#4
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,615	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana I had to search their site for it - I'm guessing this is the story you want to send a rebuttal for: Senator wants to limit "easy access" to dangerous explosives I also need to find out what exactly this product is to help you. I am not familiar with Tannerite so I know nothing about it - where do you normally buy it?

11-07-2012, 11:03 PM	#5
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,615	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana I sent you a personal message with my e-mail address. You can e-mail me directly back I am happy to help and I will write the rebuttal for you so that you can send it and/or post it. Just so happens that I'm pretty good at this kind of stuff Cheers, Will

11-07-2012, 11:04 PM	#7
nmckenzie Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sitka, Alaska Posts: 1,942	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana First heard about Tannerite (exploding targets etc.) about five years ago. Couldn't help wondering how long it'd take some doofus to create an issue over it. Reckon I now have my answer.

11-07-2012, 11:37 PM	#9
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,615	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana OK - I researched this and I can write a very good rebuttal that also proposes a compromise that will keep everyone happy (The politicians will love the compromise but it won't actually cause any real problem to those who want to buy the targets). I only need to know how you want the rebuttal to be sent so I can help you know how to do so. Cheers, Will

11-08-2012, 07:43 AM	#10
Country101 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dardanelle, AR Contributor Posts: 2,028	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana Tannerite is a binary exlposive. This means that it is made up of two inert ingredients that when mixed becomes volatile to an extent. It is basically made from ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder. The commercial stuff has a few other trace ingredients to make a little more theatrical. It is very stable and will only explode when impacted at aproximately 2000 fps. As a binary explosive, if unmixed, it can be shipped ups straight to your door with no problems. Also, until mixed, it is not considered an explosive, so you dont have to worry about big brother getting you. Once mixed, you had better use it on site, because it is classified then. It is typically used for long range shooting as a hit indicator. Although, I have seen a volkswagon blown up with it. __________________ Gainfully employed= shooting somebody elses bullets and getting paid for it Country101

11-08-2012, 09:47 AM	#11
RYANINMICHIGAN V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 223	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana The stuff is just plain fun..

11-08-2012, 10:42 AM	#12
coyote 270 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wash. State Posts: 210	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana Well, I can see I better order some more while I can, jeeeez. In all the years we have used Tannerite as a "Target Marker", I have never heard of anyone using it in a "Threatening or Illegal" manner. __________________ Go SEAHAWKS, and take the SONICSand MARINERS with ya!!

11-08-2012, 12:55 PM	#13
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,438	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana even with the limited application, detonation method and whatnot.. I'm amazed atf allows it in civilian use.. I do realize there is an amount limit for use though.. but still... the potential for mis use is asounding in the right (wrong) hands

11-08-2012, 02:33 PM	#14
Rogeritall V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 171	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana Swell... I never knew you could use it for blowing up mail boxes and other stuff. Leave it to the News to teach a bunch of punks the wrong way to use things. :/ __________________ "Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell `Fire!' in a crowded theater." -- Peter Venetoklis

11-08-2012, 02:36 PM	#15
deadin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 858	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana Why doesn’t this surprise me? Given the predilection of the immature male mind for blowing things up it was bound to happen. I speak from experience as in my “youth” (I’m talking early teens) black powder and cannon fuse were available OTC to any one with the money. (If you didn’t have the money, chemistry sets of the period had much better stuff in them then do the current versions.) I spent many hours making models and then blowing them up. (Among other things.) Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, I outgrew this fascination. (Some do and some don’t.) Tannerite appears to be similar to a “Fuel Bomb” (fertilizer and Diesel fuel) in that it takes two benign products and make an explosive from them. I suppose that the only way to “control” access would be to put one of the ingredients on a controlled substance list. Didn’t they do that with large purchases of fertilizer for a while? I don’t know if that worked out or not. There’s lots of ”McGiverite” chemicals out there that anyone with a little knowledge, and the nerve to work with can make something destructive.

11-08-2012, 02:56 PM	#18
Rogeritall V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 171	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana My God I hate Ignorant Knee Jerk news stories like that... Sshshhhhh Don't anybody tell the about Black Powder, or Smokeless Powders, and what a pound or two of them will do. I'd still like to be able to shoot my Muzzle Loader and do some reloading next year. IDIOTS... I live in Indiana and haven't heard of a single event involving Tannerite so far... Stinking news making up news before it even happens. Now if someone does misuse it, they will be like... See, we told you so. When they're the ones telling people it's there to misuse. __________________ "Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell `Fire!' in a crowded theater." -- Peter Venetoklis

11-08-2012, 02:58 PM	#19
CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,788	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana I wouldn't worry about WTHR. We've got a Republican governor and a super-majority in both chambers of the legislature. Those sissy liberal POSes can show whatever they want. No one cares. __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.

11-08-2012, 03:16 PM	#21
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,438	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana yep.. dust explosions can be bad. I've heard about it in drop ceilings with ac ducts and a chaffed wire.. never seen an ac duct exp.. mind you.. etc..

11-08-2012, 04:48 PM	#22
firefighter1635 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: US of A Contributor Posts: 1,837	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana Tannerite is cool stuff. I was amazed that you could buy the stuff when I found out about it. Since then a friend has been buying alot of it.

11-09-2012, 04:12 PM	#23
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,163	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana The news story: http://www.wthr.com/story/20037286/s...ous-explosives There are recipies on the internet for making your own.

11-09-2012, 05:08 PM	#24
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,615	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana I should have the rebuttal written for you tonight and I'll PM it to you.

11-09-2012, 06:46 PM	#25
mogunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Eastern Missouri Posts: 1,026	Re: Tannerite problem in indiana I have two ice cream buckets of aluminum filings sitting on my workbench, been meaning to build a ball mill to reduce it in size ever further and make some "home brew" to use down at my buddy's place on his shooting lane but super-dry condition this summer made it seem to be a "not-so-good" idea, we even stopped shooting the steel core surplus ammo until we got some rain. I've seen some vids of guys blowing up assorted stuff with it, but I hate to clean up microwave parts and the life off the lane aftewards so we were just going to shoot small containers of it...maybe next year!