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FlashBang · 11-09-2012, 10:39 PM

If SHTF and I need gold, I will just take a trip to the city and take it from some welfare collecting hood rat. Between the chains, bracelets and grills in their mouths I should be able to amass a small fortune.

soundguy · 11-10-2012, 02:49 PM

killoing for protection is one thing.. killing for wealth is another...

Marlin T · 11-10-2012, 04:19 PM

Silver might not be a bad investment, but you'll have to judge for yourself.

This price chart shows from 2000

http://charts.kitco.com/KitcoCharts/...mpaign=iCharts

ampaterry · 11-10-2012, 04:41 PM

For a SHTF scenario.

1. Food and goods for yourself and your family.
2. A means of ensuring that 1 remains safely in your possession; guns and ammo.
3. For the first few weeks, barter goods. Bags of rice, beans, etc. which you can use for trade with those having things you can use, but needing food. A few extra bags for purely humanitarian giving may be stocked up also.
4. For a later time, precious metals for trade, which was your original question.

Gold is good for compact storage of large amounts of $$, but should NOT be your only investment; if you come across a guy that is baking GREAT bread, you won't want to try to pay for one loaf with gold! For things like this, you need MUCH less valuable exchange means, like silver. Junk silver (no numismatic value) is perfect for this.

Where do you buy these?
MANY jewelry stores also deal with gold and silver. Open your yellow pages to "gold"
and you will probably find several.

I used to be heavy into gold; krugerands, maple leafs and panda's.
Sold it to survive when I was forced out of my job for whistleblowing.
Now just a bit into silver, but have 1-3 covered well.

rcairflr · Today, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cycloneman

I am interested in buying silver.

What are your thoughts?

Do you think the adminstration will keep prinitng cash? QEing

Also where to buy? I am looking for actual silver you can hold in your hand. Coins, bars????

I hope you changed your mind and didn't buy any silver. The picture below shows the 6 month price in silver and it is at $21 today.

carver · Today, 07:20 AM

I have a question for all of you that have invested in silver, and gold. I have something for sell, and you want to buy/purchase, I don't know anything about either silver, or gold, so do I accept your silver/gold for a transaction once the SHTF?

First off I wouldn't know silver/gold from anything, and I have no way to test it to see if it's fake, or not. If I trust you and let you have the item/items, what then do I do with the silver/gold?

rcairflr · Today, 07:36 AM

If the world was in a SHTF situation, I wouldn't give a drop of water, a grain of rice, a single bullet or a single carrot seed for a ton of silver or gold.

So I think I agree with Carver on this one.

Oldeyes · Today, 11:31 AM

Interestingly enough, pre-'64 90% silver US coinage is generally acknowledged to be a good entry level product for someone interested in PM's as an inflation hedge or a post SHTF barter item. Due to the basic low denomination nature of the used and well shop worn US small face value silver coinage, the chances of getting stung on counterfeit pre-'64 US silver coinage is pretty minimal and the silver coinage in this form is almost universally recognized and therefore easy to use for barter based upon the then prevailing silver content value. As a purchaser financial bonus, the dealer override/markup on pre-'64 US silver coinage is about as low as it gets. As of mid day today (5/20/13) with 99.99% pure silver currently trading at around $23 per oz., $1.00 face value of pre-'64 US silver coinage (containing approximately .72 oz. of silver) sells for $19.22 (as per the current online purchase quote on providentmetals.com ).

nmckenzie · Today, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcairflr

If the world was in a SHTF situation, I wouldn't give a drop of water, a grain of rice, a single bullet or a single carrot seed for a ton of silver or gold.

Many, many years ago I worked with guys who'd lived through SHTF times in Eastern Europe, first under German, then under Soviet occupation. They had their own take on the value of gold and silver, and to an even greater degree diamonds and the like. They didn't think of these metals or jewels in terms of obtaining food - if it came down to that they simply would've taken it, probably killed for it, and suffered the consequences if caught. Their precious metals and gems were the currency of overlooking things that for us would be a simple OOPS! or ARGH!, such as an expired document, license, passport etc., a major inconvenience at worst, but for them it could've meant a trip to the local lockup for further investigation. Guess the value of gold and whatnot depends on your perspective of what a SHTF situation is.

carver · Today, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmckenzie

Many, many years ago I worked with guys who'd lived through SHTF times in Eastern Europe, first under German, then under Soviet occupation. They had their own take on the value of gold and silver, and to an even greater degree diamonds and the like. They didn't think of these metals or jewels in terms of obtaining food - if it came down to that they simply would've taken it, probably killed for it, and suffered the consequences if caught. Their precious metals and gems were the currency of overlooking things that for us would be a simple OOPS! or ARGH!, such as an expired document, license, passport etc., a major inconvenience at worst, but for them it could've meant a trip to the local lockup for further investigation. Guess the value of gold and whatnot depends on your perspective of what a SHTF situation is.

I can understand that, it was a whole different situation back then in Europe. You could drive from one country to the other in a few hours, or walk it in a few days. Pasports, documents, and licenses, were required for any travel at all during, and after the war. When I was a youngster my mother had an older friend that was in Germany during, and just after the war. She told of men with wheelbarrows full of German marks, and no one would sell them a loaf of bread. That is not going to be the situation here. Paper money may, or may not be usless, but I ain't going anywere anyway. No travel at all, unless it's to one of my neighbors houses.

Gsbuickman · Today, 01:24 PM

Www.telibertymill.com will giv you all the inormaion you need. Iike zerohedge, sgtreport, he kiser report on tamerica etc. the economy is in death throes. Fiat $'s & paper gold will soon be worthless. The fed s priting 480 billion every month. Thisis being pumped into the stock marke or the banking cabals )rofit. Buy up all the hard assets you can.

http://sgtreport.com/2013/05/motive-...gold-market-2/

rcairflr · Today, 02:31 PM

The Federal reserve does not print money, they manage the liquidity of capital that allows borrowing and currently it is at $85 billion / month. So far we have not seen any runaway inflation that some of the internet bloggers that you quote have predicted for years.

As fast as the Fed is making easy capital available, they can shut it off by raising the Feds Fund rate.

Most of us live in the real world and have to manage our day to day investments assuming success not failure. If all you are buying right now is hard assets, you will be in for a real shock when retirement comes and gold is back to $240 and silver at $5 and you bought it from the high of $1900 until now at $1350 and you only have 20% of the money you invested and as such have no chance of retiring.

There is nothing wrong with owning some gold and silver, but you still have to be a smart investor and buy it at the right time and now is not the right time. It is still too high and will go lower.

As far as paper money being worthless, don't hold your breath waiting on that to happen, because it ain't happening anytime soon and probably won't happen in most of our life times. Ben Bernanke has done a marvelous job of handling this economy coming out of the recession and if the Congress and El Presidente would have done their part, we would be roaring at 4% gains per year in GDP instead of 1.5%.

11-09-2012, 10:39 PM	#26
FlashBang V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 200	Re: precious metals question If SHTF and I need gold, I will just take a trip to the city and take it from some welfare collecting hood rat. Between the chains, bracelets and grills in their mouths I should be able to amass a small fortune.

11-10-2012, 02:49 PM	#27
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,411	Re: precious metals question killoing for protection is one thing.. killing for wealth is another...

11-10-2012, 04:19 PM	#28
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: precious metals question Silver might not be a bad investment, but you'll have to judge for yourself. This price chart shows from 2000 http://charts.kitco.com/KitcoCharts/...mpaign=iCharts __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

11-10-2012, 04:41 PM	#29
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,274	Re: precious metals question For a SHTF scenario. 1. Food and goods for yourself and your family. 2. A means of ensuring that 1 remains safely in your possession; guns and ammo. 3. For the first few weeks, barter goods. Bags of rice, beans, etc. which you can use for trade with those having things you can use, but needing food. A few extra bags for purely humanitarian giving may be stocked up also. 4. For a later time, precious metals for trade, which was your original question. Gold is good for compact storage of large amounts of $$, but should NOT be your only investment; if you come across a guy that is baking GREAT bread, you won't want to try to pay for one loaf with gold! For things like this, you need MUCH less valuable exchange means, like silver. Junk silver (no numismatic value) is perfect for this. Where do you buy these? MANY jewelry stores also deal with gold and silver. Open your yellow pages to "gold" and you will probably find several. I used to be heavy into gold; krugerands, maple leafs and panda's. Sold it to survive when I was forced out of my job for whistleblowing. Now just a bit into silver, but have 1-3 covered well. __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

Today, 07:20 AM	#31
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,232	Re: precious metals question I have a question for all of you that have invested in silver, and gold. I have something for sell, and you want to buy/purchase, I don't know anything about either silver, or gold, so do I accept your silver/gold for a transaction once the SHTF? First off I wouldn't know silver/gold from anything, and I have no way to test it to see if it's fake, or not. If I trust you and let you have the item/items, what then do I do with the silver/gold? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

Today, 07:36 AM	#32
rcairflr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 1,317	Re: precious metals question If the world was in a SHTF situation, I wouldn't give a drop of water, a grain of rice, a single bullet or a single carrot seed for a ton of silver or gold. So I think I agree with Carver on this one.

Today, 11:31 AM	#33
Oldeyes V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 218	Re: precious metals question Interestingly enough, pre-'64 90% silver US coinage is generally acknowledged to be a good entry level product for someone interested in PM's as an inflation hedge or a post SHTF barter item. Due to the basic low denomination nature of the used and well shop worn US small face value silver coinage, the chances of getting stung on counterfeit pre-'64 US silver coinage is pretty minimal and the silver coinage in this form is almost universally recognized and therefore easy to use for barter based upon the then prevailing silver content value. As a purchaser financial bonus, the dealer override/markup on pre-'64 US silver coinage is about as low as it gets. As of mid day today (5/20/13) with 99.99% pure silver currently trading at around $23 per oz., $1.00 face value of pre-'64 US silver coinage (containing approximately .72 oz. of silver) sells for $19.22 (as per the current online purchase quote on providentmetals.com ).

Today, 01:24 PM	#36
Gsbuickman Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 28	Re: precious metals question Www.telibertymill.com will giv you all the inormaion you need. Iike zerohedge, sgtreport, he kiser report on tamerica etc. the economy is in death throes. Fiat $'s & paper gold will soon be worthless. The fed s priting 480 billion every month. Thisis being pumped into the stock marke or the banking cabals )rofit. Buy up all the hard assets you can. http://sgtreport.com/2013/05/motive-...gold-market-2/ __________________ If we fail to remember we are 1 nation under God, we are a nation lost. Ronald Reagan Brain tumor survivor, nra member & generally brutally honest....... Last edited by Gsbuickman; Today at 02:13 PM..

Today, 02:31 PM	#37
rcairflr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 1,317	Re: precious metals question The Federal reserve does not print money, they manage the liquidity of capital that allows borrowing and currently it is at $85 billion / month. So far we have not seen any runaway inflation that some of the internet bloggers that you quote have predicted for years. As fast as the Fed is making easy capital available, they can shut it off by raising the Feds Fund rate. Most of us live in the real world and have to manage our day to day investments assuming success not failure. If all you are buying right now is hard assets, you will be in for a real shock when retirement comes and gold is back to $240 and silver at $5 and you bought it from the high of $1900 until now at $1350 and you only have 20% of the money you invested and as such have no chance of retiring. There is nothing wrong with owning some gold and silver, but you still have to be a smart investor and buy it at the right time and now is not the right time. It is still too high and will go lower. As far as paper money being worthless, don't hold your breath waiting on that to happen, because it ain't happening anytime soon and probably won't happen in most of our life times. Ben Bernanke has done a marvelous job of handling this economy coming out of the recession and if the Congress and El Presidente would have done their part, we would be roaring at 4% gains per year in GDP instead of 1.5%.