Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money - The Firearms Forum

norahc · 11-18-2012, 11:24 PM

Regardless of what you think of James Yeager, I wanted to pass this along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HrTx...&feature=g-u-u

time2shoot · 11-18-2012, 11:38 PM

thanks for the info norahc.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 07:33 AM

I think Yeager is an idiot, but I am glad you posted this. This is the third time someone has said this about WW. I am calling them today to withdraw my monthly support.

carver · 11-19-2012, 08:07 AM

Check out WWP at Charity Navigator Rating: http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...FcaDQgodG2gAkg

Double D · 11-19-2012, 08:17 AM

I just got off the phone with the Jacksonville office and the lady said that this is all a mistake and that their CEO went on a national gun talk show yesterday to clear it up. She claims that they fully support the 2nd amendment and they take their WWs on hunts and that this all started when they declined an invite to a gun talk show. So, now, who do we believe?

carver · 11-19-2012, 08:30 AM

Steven Nardizzi, the $319k/year Executive Director of Wounded Warrior Project http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=3467

GunHugger · 11-19-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I just got off the phone with the Jacksonville office and the lady said that this is all a mistake and that their CEO went on a national gun talk show yesterday to clear it up. She claims that they fully support the 2nd amendment and they take their WWs on hunts and that this all started when they declined an invite to a gun talk show. So, now, who do we believe?

I will still support them and help out with the local WW projects. I have donated two 22 rifles to the local WW project and help out with shooting and hunting with those in my area.

A guy that I know and used to work with is a Wounded Warrior that was blinded from a near mortar hit. These guys earned our help and respect regardless of what the big shots in the WW may or may not have said about guns.

Personally I don't believe any of that BS and suspect it to be just a blown out of control rumor from those that hate our military and all that it does.

ampaterry · 11-19-2012, 08:46 AM

I verified that the WWP head honcho does knock down nearly 1/3 million dollars a year.
And they rank poorly financially, with only about half of donations actually reaching the guys they are supposedly formed to help.
Even the Red Cross, as much as I hate them, does a lot better than this -

Double D · 11-19-2012, 09:53 AM

I am continuing to research them before I completely pull the plug, but I am close. Here is the problem. Like EVERY SINGLE organization out there, they too have their problems, they are no different than the rest.

flboots · 11-19-2012, 12:26 PM

I just finished reading this same thing on The Truth About Guns. He sure makes alot of money helping vets. There were also other CEOs that run non profit orig. making boatloads of cash off the contributions. The CEO of the Am. Red Cross makes around $600,000 plus expen. You should check this out, its an eye opener.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 12:41 PM

It is happening in most large organizations out there. Problem is, do we shut off our support completely even when they are still doing some good? I want to support the WWs somehow and they are doing some good....

Marlin T · 11-19-2012, 01:39 PM

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http://guntalk.libsyn.com/

Double D · 11-19-2012, 01:56 PM

I cant get it to play. It lets me play all the parts but that one.

TotheTop83 · 11-19-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by carver

Steven Nardizzi, the $319k/year Executive Director of Wounded Warrior Project http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=3467

easy on the class warfare bro...you sound like Obama.

Wounded Warrior Foundation is separate from politics. If you only support a foundation that supports your vets when it's convenient for you, then those vets should only fight for you when it's convenient for them.

If that were the case I'd leave every last one of your asses on the field because you aren't worth my ass taking a round.

aa1911 · 11-19-2012, 02:13 PM

I've got over 6 years before I can retire so will likely be in OEF again at least a couple more times. While not all of your dollar reaches the vets, it's still a benificial organization that does a lot of good.

Being that I may be in need of programs like this yet, I will continue to support them although making our opinions heard to the WWF is necessary to help steer them on the right path if at all possible.

Will have to keep up on this subject, it's a tough nut to crack I think.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TotheTop83

easy on the class warfare bro...you sound like Obama.

Wounded Warrior Foundation is separate from politics. If you only support a foundation that supports your vets when it's convenient for you, then those vets should only fight for you when it's convenient for them.

If that were the case I'd leave every last one of your asses on the field because you aren't worth my ass taking a round.

Wait a minute here. These CEOs of these large foundations are taking way too much off the top. This is not a corporation where they are in business to make money. That would be a whole different story. I am a huge supporter of the NRA and yet one of my biggest gripes is the salaries the top folks are being paid. Like I said, these are not corporations that are producing a product for sale. They are dependent upon donations. The majority of the money collected needs to go to the wounded warriors, not the fat cats. Same with the red cross. And then they are going to start spouting anti gun crap too? That wont work.

RunningOnMT · 11-19-2012, 02:55 PM

I am watching this discussion closely, and still need to do more research before deciding to continue or withdraw my support for WW. That salary is absurd without a doubt and I hate to think the lions share of my meager donation goes to line someones pockets.

The salaries , fundraising, and operating costs of most charities is troubling to me, and that is the main reason I will not respond to telephone solicitations. I learned through experience with a Vietnam vets group that utilized a fundraiser, that about 85% of the donation made went to the fundraising corporation.

On the other hand what's the alternative? If only a nickel of every dollar contributed gets to these vets, withdrawing support means that they get nothing. Should we make them suffer over a question of logistics or someones misguided mission statement? Seems to me they have suffered enough. Give me a good alternative to WW and I will support it.

BillM · 11-19-2012, 02:59 PM

Well--if it's all just a big mis-understanding, maybe they might think
about editing their website.

Copy and paste directly from the WW website:

"WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or weapon companies"

Check out Soldier's Angels

RunningOnMT · 11-19-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Same with the red cross. And then they are going to start spouting anti gun crap too? That wont work.

The Red Cross has been on my "do not contribute list" for some time. The stories about their unwillingness to help worthy individuals are too numerous to relate here. The Salvation Army is a better choice, in my opinion.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

The Red Cross has been on my "do not contribute list" for some time. The stories about their unwillingness to help worthy individuals are too numerous to relate here. The Salvation Army is a better choice, in my opinion.

Absolutely.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 03:35 PM

I dont think its a misunderstanding. But now, like ROMT has just said, what do we do? The wounded warriors have suffered enough and they need us. Do we give up on them because of the stupidity of the CEO of this organization? Is this org. bad enough to pull the plug on? I am sure they are seeing a huge drop in their donations today because of this.

Insulation Tim · 11-19-2012, 04:35 PM

The guy is succesfully runing a $ 71 Million Dollar Business. I don't think that $300 K is out of line. Sure, they spend a lot on fundraising but they seem to be getting a return. Spend Money to Make Money.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Insulation Tim

The guy is succesfully runing a $ 71 Million Dollar Business. I don't think that $300 K is out of line. Sure, they spend a lot on fundraising but they seem to be getting a return. Spend Money to Make Money.

This is not suppose to be a business.....

Insulation Tim · 11-19-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

This is not suppose to be a business.....

Call it what you want DD, but most charities that are of any size are a business and must necessarily be run as such.

If you want a truly altruistic Charity, do what I do and support the Hell out of "The Salvation Army". They are huge, yet their leader makes a pittance.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Insulation Tim

Call it what you want DD, but most charities that are of any size are a business and must necessarily be run as such.

If you want a truly altruistic Charity, do what I do and support the Hell out of "The Salvation Army". They are huge, yet their leader makes a pittance.

I totally agree on the salvation army, but I am trying to help wounded warriors.....

11-18-2012, 11:38 PM	#2
time2shoot Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brandon SD Contributor Posts: 2,599	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money thanks for the info norahc. __________________ I AM A VETERAN MY OATH OF ENLISTMENT HAS NO EXPIRATION DATE!

11-19-2012, 07:33 AM	#3
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I think Yeager is an idiot, but I am glad you posted this. This is the third time someone has said this about WW. I am calling them today to withdraw my monthly support. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-19-2012, 08:07 AM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,221	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money Check out WWP at Charity Navigator Rating: http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...FcaDQgodG2gAkg __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 11-19-2012 at 09:58 AM..

11-19-2012, 08:17 AM	#5
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I just got off the phone with the Jacksonville office and the lady said that this is all a mistake and that their CEO went on a national gun talk show yesterday to clear it up. She claims that they fully support the 2nd amendment and they take their WWs on hunts and that this all started when they declined an invite to a gun talk show. So, now, who do we believe? __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-19-2012, 08:30 AM	#6
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,221	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money Steven Nardizzi, the $319k/year Executive Director of Wounded Warrior Project http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=3467 __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

11-19-2012, 08:46 AM	#8
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,269	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I verified that the WWP head honcho does knock down nearly 1/3 million dollars a year. And they rank poorly financially, with only about half of donations actually reaching the guys they are supposedly formed to help. Even the Red Cross, as much as I hate them, does a lot better than this - __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

11-19-2012, 09:53 AM	#9
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I am continuing to research them before I completely pull the plug, but I am close. Here is the problem. Like EVERY SINGLE organization out there, they too have their problems, they are no different than the rest. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-19-2012, 12:26 PM	#10
flboots V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Northeast Florida Posts: 348	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I just finished reading this same thing on The Truth About Guns. He sure makes alot of money helping vets. There were also other CEOs that run non profit orig. making boatloads of cash off the contributions. The CEO of the Am. Red Cross makes around $600,000 plus expen. You should check this out, its an eye opener.

11-19-2012, 12:41 PM	#11
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money It is happening in most large organizations out there. Problem is, do we shut off our support completely even when they are still doing some good? I want to support the WWs somehow and they are doing some good.... __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-19-2012, 01:39 PM	#12
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11-19-2012, 01:56 PM	#13
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I cant get it to play. It lets me play all the parts but that one. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-19-2012, 02:13 PM	#15
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,110	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I've got over 6 years before I can retire so will likely be in OEF again at least a couple more times. While not all of your dollar reaches the vets, it's still a benificial organization that does a lot of good. Being that I may be in need of programs like this yet, I will continue to support them although making our opinions heard to the WWF is necessary to help steer them on the right path if at all possible. Will have to keep up on this subject, it's a tough nut to crack I think. __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

11-19-2012, 02:55 PM	#17
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I am watching this discussion closely, and still need to do more research before deciding to continue or withdraw my support for WW. That salary is absurd without a doubt and I hate to think the lions share of my meager donation goes to line someones pockets. The salaries , fundraising, and operating costs of most charities is troubling to me, and that is the main reason I will not respond to telephone solicitations. I learned through experience with a Vietnam vets group that utilized a fundraiser, that about 85% of the donation made went to the fundraising corporation. On the other hand what's the alternative? If only a nickel of every dollar contributed gets to these vets, withdrawing support means that they get nothing. Should we make them suffer over a question of logistics or someones misguided mission statement? Seems to me they have suffered enough. Give me a good alternative to WW and I will support it. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

11-19-2012, 02:59 PM	#18
BillM V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Amity Orygun Posts: 380	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money Well--if it's all just a big mis-understanding, maybe they might think about editing their website. Copy and paste directly from the WW website: "WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or weapon companies" Check out Soldier's Angels

11-19-2012, 03:35 PM	#21
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money I dont think its a misunderstanding. But now, like ROMT has just said, what do we do? The wounded warriors have suffered enough and they need us. Do we give up on them because of the stupidity of the CEO of this organization? Is this org. bad enough to pull the plug on? I am sure they are seeing a huge drop in their donations today because of this. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-19-2012, 04:35 PM	#22
Insulation Tim Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Contributor Posts: 2,294	Re: Wounded Warrior Project doesn't want gun money The guy is succesfully runing a $ 71 Million Dollar Business. I don't think that $300 K is out of line. Sure, they spend a lot on fundraising but they seem to be getting a return. Spend Money to Make Money. __________________ Tim *"Remember the Ark was built by amateurs....Professionals built the Titanic"*