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bobcox · 11-20-2012, 07:30 PM

Walther 32 cal. 7.65 mm Model PPK # 414720 k
Carl Walther Waffenfabrik
Eagle with swastka on frame and barrel
Condition is very good with slight wear on butt.
Two magazines and holster.
How old is and what is its worth?

RJay · 11-20-2012, 08:10 PM

Really need pictures on this one, clear pictures of all the markings and of the left side. Is there a letter beside the Eagle swastika? Is so may be police markings. However, my reference also shows Eagle over Circle Swastika was also used both military and commercial proof .Year 1944

Jim K · 11-20-2012, 08:51 PM

The eagle over N was the commercial proof, and used on the Walther pocket pistols into 1944, when the Wehrmacht took over about all production.

Jim

Danny · 11-21-2012, 02:06 AM

The Eagle /N was brought into play in late 1939 and continues to this day.
The pistol in question was indeed manufactured in 1944 & Army accepted by the proof stamp.
As RJ suggested pictures are needed to really give you a correct value.
KIND regards
Danny

Jim K · 11-21-2012, 01:43 PM

The current eagle/N proof uses a different shape eagle, the so-called Bundesadler, instead of the straight wing Reichsadler of the Nazi era.

Jim

RJay · 11-21-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RJay

Really need pictures on this one, clear pictures of all the markings and of the left side. Is there a letter beside the Eagle swastika? Is so may be police markings. However, my reference also shows Eagle over Circle Swastika was also used both military and commercial proof .Year 1944

I knew this would bring you out Jim, that's why I stated that clear pictures are needed to determine just what he has. I know about the Eagle N and the stylized eagle. I have seen so many odd things in reference to PPs and PPKs that nothing surprises me anymore.

Jim K · 11-21-2012, 10:44 PM

Nor me.

One seldom-mentioned fact is that Fritz Walther was an early and fervent backer of the Nazi party (something the company prefers to forget), and that is probably the reason Walther was allowed to continue the [profitable] production of commercial weapons almost up to the end of the war, where many other companies were early restricted to party/military sales. That results in confusion as to whether a given pistol was really "commercial" or was purchased for use by one of the multitudinous Party groups and governmental organizations authorized arms under the Third Reich. It also accounts for Walther's willingness to accommodate such groups in terms of discounts, special markings and the like, the RZM (the Nazi party equipment organization) being one of the best known.

Jim

11-20-2012, 07:30 PM	#1
bobcox Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1	PPK Walther 32 cal. 7.65 mm Model PPK # 414720 k Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Eagle with swastka on frame and barrel Condition is very good with slight wear on butt. Two magazines and holster. How old is and what is its worth? -->

11-20-2012, 08:10 PM	#2
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: PPK Really need pictures on this one, clear pictures of all the markings and of the left side. Is there a letter beside the Eagle swastika? Is so may be police markings. However, my reference also shows Eagle over Circle Swastika was also used both military and commercial proof .Year 1944 __________________ RonJames Last edited by RJay; 11-20-2012 at 08:17 PM..

11-20-2012, 08:51 PM	#3
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: PPK The eagle over N was the commercial proof, and used on the Walther pocket pistols into 1944, when the Wehrmacht took over about all production. Jim

11-21-2012, 02:06 AM	#4
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Va Contributor Posts: 594	Re: PPK The Eagle /N was brought into play in late 1939 and continues to this day. The pistol in question was indeed manufactured in 1944 & Army accepted by the proof stamp. As RJ suggested pictures are needed to really give you a correct value. KIND regards Danny __________________ THE GUN HAS PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN HISTORY. AN INVENTION WHICH HAS BEEN PRAISED & DENOUNCED...SERVED HERO & VILLAIN ALIKE...AND CARRIES WITH IT MORAL RESPONSIBILITY...TO UNDERSTAND THE GUN IS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HISTORY.

11-21-2012, 01:43 PM	#5
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: PPK The current eagle/N proof uses a different shape eagle, the so-called Bundesadler, instead of the straight wing Reichsadler of the Nazi era. Jim

11-21-2012, 10:44 PM	#7
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: PPK Nor me. One seldom-mentioned fact is that Fritz Walther was an early and fervent backer of the Nazi party (something the company prefers to forget), and that is probably the reason Walther was allowed to continue the [profitable] production of commercial weapons almost up to the end of the war, where many other companies were early restricted to party/military sales. That results in confusion as to whether a given pistol was really "commercial" or was purchased for use by one of the multitudinous Party groups and governmental organizations authorized arms under the Third Reich. It also accounts for Walther's willingness to accommodate such groups in terms of discounts, special markings and the like, the RZM (the Nazi party equipment organization) being one of the best known. Jim