What's going on in America ???

[AR guy]

I know this isn't a reloading question or comment, but I had to vent a bit. Last night while I was watching TV, I flipped it on the local channel of Chicago and saw they were having a count down of the turning on the Christmas tree lights. They counted down in Spanish, nothing against the Spanish I'm Spanish but what happened to speaking English in this country anymore? It's kinda like its the second language now. It just made me so upset I changed the channel. These Libs are really trying to take everything away from us, even the language we speak now. The catapiller. Plant here took the us flag down and is flying the Japan flag. My sister works for wrigley gum and at the bottom of her emails is a Chinese writing. Slowly but surely things are changing in America and its not for the best.

[RandyP]

Ay Caramba!

lol

[GunnyGene]

It's called pandering. Or the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Don't have that problem here in Ole Miss.

[AR guy]

Well you are lucky gunny. I wish it was that way here still.

[gdmoody]

I work for the United States Postal Service, we still speak English. Last month, management made us remove the American flag that we had mounted on the wall in our registered mail cage. I raised all manner of hell, made the statement that I fought for that flag for 27 years of Army life and would have died for it. I refused to remove it so two supervisors took it down. One of them folded it up like a common rag and put it in a cardboard box, I insisted they take it out so I could fold it properly, which they did. BUT to not allow the flag in a USPS facility - what kind of crap is that!!

[LDJ]

More than half the contry just told us what they want. And it's not good. There are a lot of good people that thought it would not do any good to vote because there vote does not count. Well it counts, and we got counted OUT! When will the good people in this country wake up? Who we put in congress and the senate is straight popular vote. And your local people to. I use to not care so much because they are mostly out of touch with common people, but whats happening now is different.
LDJ

[RandyP]

We have met the enemy and they iz us.

For generations this country was a melting pot of many, many great culturally diverse peoples who worked hard, learned the language and assimilated. It has now become a segmented, culture segregated mass of special interest groups with NO interest in assimilation.

And the result is the fine mess in which we now find ourselves mired - plant a radish, get a radish.

[ka64]

Originally Posted by RandyP

We have met the enemy and they iz us.

For generations this country was a melting pot of many, many great culturally diverse peoples who worked hard, learned the language and assimilated. It has now become a segmented, culture segregated mass of special interest groups with NO interest in assimilation.

And the result is the fine mess in which we now find ourselves mired - plant a radish, get a radish.

Then have an illegal pick em for less than minimum wage.........

[BlackEagle]

That's crazy. De-Americanising the US. Barring the US flag from the UNITED STATES Post Office??? Must be some quiet word passed down from the current occupant of the White House. I can't bring myself to call him a POTUS.

Over here if I feel strongly enough about some TV or radio item I can complain to a national watchdog agency called Offcom. Can you do something similar? If the TV station persists in this stupidity can you start a sponsor campaign?

[firefighter1635]

Dumb days were living in. Two years ago I was wrote up for hanging an American flag on the back of the ladder truck in which I worked off of every day. How many firetrucks do you see with American flags hanging off the back? Probably alot. Well not where I worked, strictly forbiden. That was the day I decided my retirement date and don't regret a minute of it.

[LDBennett]

gdmoody:

Tell your story to the local newspaper and send the story to Bill O'Reiley.

We, the tax payers, support the USPS and we deserve and should demand that the American flag be flown above the post office building and hung on the inside walls as well. If the USPS wants no flags then we should see they get no money from the US Government that protect their right to do business without competition.

LDBennett

[gdmoody]

LD,

I am going to be perfectly honest with you, that was my very first inclination. I spoke with another supervisor, who is a friend, about it. He advised me NOT to go to the media. I don't know exactly how to say it, but a postal employee is not allowed to do anything that would bring negative light on the USPS in any manner. In my opinion, this incident would surely bring negative light. If I feel that way, I know that upper management would feel the same way about it and, to be really honest, I value my job. I will suck it up and keep quiet about it, at least to the media.

The fellow who put the flag up in the cage was on vacation at the time it happened. Someone else told him about it. He thanked me for standing up to them (even if I lost) and for properly folding the flag for him. He told me that this was the second time that the flag removal had happened. He said that it would go back up when things "cooled down" some just like it did before. He said that it had nothing to do with the flag itself, it had every thing to do with not bringing personal items into the cage as he had been instructed, not to do, several times before.

[CCHolderinMaine]

My business credit card is with BankAMERICA....when I call the normal, regular service line that is printed right on the card, the automated system picks up and says "press 2 for English".

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by gdmoody

LD,

I am going to be perfectly honest with you, that was my very first inclination. I spoke with another supervisor, who is a friend, about it. He advised me NOT to go to the media. I don't know exactly how to say it, but a postal employee is not allowed to do anything that would bring negative light on the USPS in any manner. In my opinion, this incident would surely bring negative light. If I feel that way, I know that upper management would feel the same way about it and, to be really honest, I value my job. I will suck it up and keep quiet about it, at least to the media.

The fellow who put the flag up in the cage was on vacation at the time it happened. Someone else told him about it. He thanked me for standing up to them (even if I lost) and for properly folding the flag for him. He told me that this was the second time that the flag removal had happened. He said that it would go back up when things "cooled down" some just like it did before. He said that it had nothing to do with the flag itself, it had every thing to do with not bringing personal items into the cage as he had been instructed, not to do, several times before.

Whistle Blowers will be persecuted and loose their jobs and pensions. Same for LEO and Military, they will not dare go against any orders from above Constitutional or not. Pension before People and the Constitution.

Live with it, cuz none of us have the guts to fight for what is right.

[AR guy]

I have to disagree steve1402, some do have the guts but we do need everybody to stand behind us. Thats when the statement will be heard. Just a few cant change everything but all of us together as one can. we did it once in the revalutionary war, we can do it again. Thats how America was born.

[WHSmithIV]

Originally Posted by AR guy

The catapiller. Plant here took the us flag down and is flying the Japan flag.

Actually, it is illegal for a factory to do that on American Soil. They can fly both flags but not only the Japanese flag. The Caterpillar plant is not an Embassy. File a written complaint to the plant and another with the County Commissioner of the county where the plant is. Take photographs also to send with the complaint. Send another copy of the complaint to the Governor.

That flag will come down quick.

[WHSmithIV]

Originally Posted by gdmoody

LD,

I am going to be perfectly honest with you, that was my very first inclination. I spoke with another supervisor, who is a friend, about it. He advised me NOT to go to the media. I don't know exactly how to say it, but a postal employee is not allowed to do anything that would bring negative light on the USPS in any manner. In my opinion, this incident would surely bring negative light. If I feel that way, I know that upper management would feel the same way about it and, to be really honest, I value my job. I will suck it up and keep quiet about it, at least to the media.

The fellow who put the flag up in the cage was on vacation at the time it happened. Someone else told him about it. He thanked me for standing up to them (even if I lost) and for properly folding the flag for him. He told me that this was the second time that the flag removal had happened. He said that it would go back up when things "cooled down" some just like it did before. He said that it had nothing to do with the flag itself, it had every thing to do with not bringing personal items into the cage as he had been instructed, not to do, several times before.

As long as the flag keeps flying over the post office - that should be good enough. There is a reason that personal items aren't supposed to be in the cage - it's a theft issue.

[Zhurh]

Well it ain't that way out here in Alaska. Even the Indians are patriotic Americans. When ever any local kid (Indian or White) joins the military, a big potlatch is held and all veterans honored; and it's in English. The Indians still know some of their original language, even us White folks know many Indian words; but everything is carried out in English. Can't imagine?

[gvw3]

Originally Posted by WHSmithIV

Actually, it is illegal for a factory to do that on American Soil. They can fly both flags but not only the Japanese flag. The Caterpillar plant is not an Embassy. File a written complaint to the plant and another with the County Commissioner of the county where the plant is. Take photographs also to send with the complaint. Send another copy of the complaint to the Governor.

That flag will come down quick.

Wow I was unaware or this. I will use this if I see it around here. Thanks.

[LDBennett]

As for language in California, everything from the government comes in three languages: English, Spanish, and Vietnamese. The latter because there is a huge immigrant and born here Vietnamese community in all of California. The Spanish is because the Hispanic community is growing in leaps and bounds and now is bigger than the black community. English is almost an after thought.

In general the Asian communities push their kids to get a good education. I worked along side them in aerospace engineering and they are great. Most all speak english well, especially the kids educated here.

The Hispanics, not so much. They try to maintain their language and their heritage even to the point of flying Mexican flags in immigration demonstrations. Most come here to earn money to send back to Mexico to feed their families still there. Some don't really want to be part of the American melting pot but want California to go back to being part of Mexico. Can you imagine that of the Italians or Irish or the Chinese or the Japanese or any of the European immigrants?

I have no problem with the melting pot of America (my CZECH, Swedish, and English immigrant fore fathers were part of it and I am only the second generation born here American) but some of the immigrants from various parts of the world don't want to melt. They want to have their country specific little worlds here and not melt into the population. Learning English is the first step and some resist. It upset me when trying to reach some business entity that the robo answering system makes me press a button to get English and Spanish is the default language.

Our America is changing, pushed and puled by the politically correct liberal progressives, and the lawyers. All civilization have a start, a peek, and a stop. We're on the down slope, I'm afraid. And English loosing ground as the language of America is a serious sign of that.

LDBennett

[GunHugger]

My small town local Post Office has always flown the US flag for as long as I can remember. A few years ago I mentioned to the Post Master (Cindy) that the flag was looking ragged. Cindy told me that they would not supply the PO with US flags anymore.

I have bought two flags so far for her to raise every morning. She says she will buy the next one and continue to fly the flag.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by AR guy

I know this isn't a reloading question or comment, but I had to vent a bit. Last night while I was watching TV, I flipped it on the local channel of Chicago and saw they were having a count down of the turning on the Christmas tree lights. They counted down in Spanish, nothing against the Spanish I'm Spanish but what happened to speaking English in this country anymore? It's kinda like its the second language now. It just made me so upset I changed the channel. These Libs are really trying to take everything away from us, even the language we speak now. The catapiller. Plant here took the us flag down and is flying the Japan flag. My sister works for wrigley gum and at the bottom of her emails is a Chinese writing. Slowly but surely things are changing in America and its not for the best.

I don't mind them doing things in Spanish. My grandpa on my mom's side spoke Greek and very little English. Dad's grandparents could speak Sicilian Italian and not very much English. It would have been nice if things were done in their language as well so it was easier for them to understand, but if they wanted a job, or to be part of society, they also had to learn how to fluently speak English.

I don't mind things are done in a second language as long as it doesn't burden the rest of society too. Like with teaching it in schools along with English. I actually wouldn't mind trying to learn languages like Chinese or Japanese cause then I can talk to Chinese and Japanese women in their native languages lol.

Just be thankful they are still doing the Christmas tree countdown, and calling it Christmas.

[LDBennett]

hogger129 said:

"I don't mind things are done in a second language as long as it doesn't burden the rest of society too. Like with teaching it in schools along with English."

So if the teacher has a double load (teach the English speaking students in English then stop, and teach the same thing in Spanish for the Spanish speaking students) aren' t both getting half the education?

So they make two class, aren't we getting cheated in the use of our taxes for school with redundant teaching of the same subject matter?

Studies have shown that Spanish speaking students with little English skills do better in school when '"immersed" in English and not segregated into a Spanish only classroom. In California they force the teachers to be bilingual. When I worked in private industry I did not have to be bilingual when a large percentage of my coworkers were Asian. They all spoke English, albeit some in halting English but English that was discernible. Two of my Asian friends were brought to America as schoolage children with no English skills but spoke perfect English in our workplace. No one made special language learning available to them. They did it themselves and became part of America and not a separate part of American life.

This is America where the historical language by usage is English. If you want to live here and be an "American" then learn English, as three of my grandparents did on their way to citizenship. Is English too good for some Hispanics, those that use America as a source of income to send back to Mexico? "When in Rome, do as the Romans" was said by a very smart person centuries ago and it still applies today.

LDBennett

[carver]

Since 1848 the U.S.A. has slowly been altered, and remade into the U.S.S.A.

[ShawnDow]

Bi-lingual... I work in aviation .. and our major "rule book" the FAR's are written in English.. and in chapter 65

§ 65.71 Eligibility requirements: General.
(a) To be eligible for a mechanic certificate and associated ratings, a person must—

(1) Be at least 18 years of age;

(2) Be able to read, write, speak, and understand the English language, or in the case of an applicant who does not meet this requirement and who is employed outside of the United States by a U.S. air carrier, have his certificate endorsed “Valid only outside the United States”;

#2 is where its at! And when I get foreign contractors talking to me in their language.. I hold my hand up to my ear and say repeat that.. I only understand english! (be-it that i do have some idea of what they actually said).. Now, i'm just waiting for the FAA to rewrite the FAR's in a second language...