Open Carry encounter, PA

[GunnyGene]

The big issue here in MS has to do with the wording in our law, which is stated as "concealed in whole or in part". It's the "in part" part that drives people nuts, since it can be (and has been) interpreted as "concealed in part" if it's holstered in plain view or even partly concealed by your hand. So you have to cough up the cash for a concealed carry permit regardless. Even tho the law says must issue unless a felon, etc. This insane rule also applies to a pocket knife, etc.

Everybody knows it was written this way to ensure a revenue source for the state.

[Appliancedude]

If I could I would, I can't so I'm gonna get my CC. Since I now live in a pro CC county I'm gonna get it soon. Yes there are a few, pro CC counties in Cali. I was talking to the local gunshop the other day about it. Our sheriff wants us to carry. He does not want us to get our CC and not be carrying.

Refreshing really.

Just waiting for the next open class

[Zhurh]

Was born in Western Pa, left over 20 years back; hard to imagine that it has changed that much. It was mostly quite conservative where we called home in Pa. I remember most every family had all kinds of guns. Have a few friends that are state cops in Pa. They ain't no different than most on here. I am glad that we left just the same. Glad we live out in the sticks in Alaska. It will be a while until they subjugate the people out this way.

[aa1911]

Originally Posted by Zhurh

Was born in Western Pa, left over 20 years back; hard to imagine that it has changed that much. It was mostly quite conservative where we called home in Pa. I remember most every family had all kinds of guns. Have a few friends that are state cops in Pa. They ain't no different than most on here. I am glad that we left just the same. Glad we live out in the sticks in Alaska. It will be a while until they subjugate the people out this way.

I also grew up in PA, even living in State College, it's hard to imagine PA being an Obama state with the amount of rural and level headed folks. But Philly ruin's it I guess, I wish we could donate Philly to New Jersey and not have to claim them as Pennsylfusions...

and can't blame you for taking off to AK, I got to travel there a few times last year and was quite impressed. Don't think the wife would take the cold in the winter though.

As much as I love PA, I'm happy to live in WA; even though we have a large population of crunchy Obama voters, it's a very gun friendly state and plenty of space to escape to.

[Ruger_Fan]

Here in NC it's perfectly legal to open carry. I have a carry permit. I was trying different holsters for deer season as I was walking my dog. I had several people stop and ask me why i was carrying a gun. Not that it was any of their business. I calmly explained I was trying out holsters. No one gave me any trouble.

In an urban area open carry would result in law enforcement getting involved. Not that they would or could press charges. OC would become such a hassle that most people would just blow it off.

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by Ruger_Fan

Here in NC it's perfectly legal to open carry. I have a carry permit. I was trying different holsters for deer season as I was walking my dog. I had several people stop and ask me why i was carrying a gun. Not that it was any of their business. I calmly explained I was trying out holsters. No one gave me any trouble.

In an urban area open carry would result in law enforcement getting involved. Not that they would or could press charges. OC would become such a hassle that most people would just blow it off.

That there is the problem, people see it as a hassle and just don't want to deal with any confrontation. When I first started open carrying in my community it was a HUGE hassle for me. I was harrassed by LEO's on a constant basis, threatened by them with false trumped up charges that I KNEW wouldn't hold up. I held my ground and wouldn't let them intimidate me. It cost me some money and heartache with my wife, she even asked me to "Just stop it". After explaning my position to her and many, many months later the LEO's just don't bother me anymore. I even got to know them on a first name basis.

I wish more people would do it where it's legal but oh well. If they want to great, if they don't, so what. But if your going to do it, do it all the way and don't let ignorance of others scare ya.

[GunHugger]

Try playing poker when you are the only player with your cards showing and see if you win.

Open carry is the same.

Second, don't invite Police into your life...open carry does that all too often.

To a few above that once lived in PA, this happened near Philly ( eastern PA ). I think Philly should be part of New Jersey.

As far as the election and PA, (obama didn't win) voter fraud is why he is still there so don't blame anyone except those responsible for that. Philly had many districts with higher voter turn out than it had people and many had 100% votes for obama.

PA 2012 results by county;

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by GunHugger

don't invite Police into your life...open carry does that all too often.

No matter your position on OC you've got to admit the legallity of it, right? And I like the police

[Double D]

Originally Posted by GunHugger

Try playing poker when you are the only player with your cards showing and see if you win.

Open carry is the same.

Second, don't invite Police into your life...open carry does that all too often.

To a few above that once lived in PA, this happened near Philly ( eastern PA ). I think Philly should be part of New Jersey.

As far as the election and PA, (obama didn't win) voter fraud is why he is still there so don't blame anyone except those responsible for that. Philly had many districts with higher voter turn out than it had people and many had 100% votes for obama.

PA 2012 results by county;

You will soon see OC go away due to this attitude. I will no longer comment on these threads. It does no good for the NRA or the GOA or any other pro gun organization to continue to fight for our rights if we arent going to use them. I have said this a thousand times if I have said it at all, open carry is LEGAL where it is LEGAL. That means its just as legal as riding your bike down the street. No different. Not one bit of difference. Same legal. Choosing not to carry open because you prefer to carry concealed is totally fine. Choosing not to open carry because you are afraid of the cops or afraid of the liberals when its totally legal, thats just wrong and will result in us eventually losing our rights. I have said this for the last time. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Its due time we invite these cops into our lives to educate them and quit being afraid. We arent doing anything wrong. We are LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am done for good on this subject, I just cant stand all the fear......

[ampaterry]

I open carried in Fairbanks, AK back in the 60's.
EVERYONE open carried there and then, and therefore no one paid any attention at all.
As Bill Jordan said, when everyone had a gun on their hip, folks were a lot more polite; it was a civil society which I now gravely miss.

[aa1911]

Originally Posted by Double D

You will soon see OC go away due to this attitude. I will no longer comment on these threads. It does no good for the NRA or the GOA or any other pro gun organization to continue to fight for our rights if we arent going to use them. I have said this a thousand times if I have said it at all, open carry is LEGAL where it is LEGAL. That means its just as legal as riding your bike down the street. No different. Not one bit of difference. Same legal. Choosing not to carry open because you prefer to carry concealed is totally fine. Choosing not to open carry because you are afraid of the cops or afraid of the liberals when its totally legal, thats just wrong and will result in us eventually losing our rights. I have said this for the last time. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Its due time we invite these cops into our lives to educate them and quit being afraid. We arent doing anything wrong. We are LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am done for good on this subject, I just cant stand all the fear......

yep. I may have to take the torch and run with it DD, after all, you and a few others on here convinced me to stop worrying about doing something that's perfectly legal. I open carry every day like it's my job and although I had thought I'd be cuffed and stuffed a lot, not only does that not happen, I've yet to even have any negative encounters with LE or anyone in almost 6 months and counting. Most LEO's are very aware of LAC's rights here in western WA and are tired of getting sued for violating LAC's rights when OCing.

Get a few strange looks and some nervous laughs, but anyone who's on the fence, I hand them a WA gun rights pamphlet and try and educate them.

Like said, CC has it's advantages tactically in many cases but so does OC in others. Nothing wrong with CC, it's the WHY do you CC vs OC that needs addressed. If you CC out of fear of police interaction, take it from someone who used to think the same thing, if it's legal, it is legal and you should do it when you want, wherever you want (that's legal of course).

All areas are different, but I will bet that the fear is not warranted in most places, OC when you want and never look back. (figuratively; literally, yes, look behind you!)

[aa1911]

Originally Posted by GunHugger

Try playing poker when you are the only player with your cards showing and see if you win.Open carry is the same.

Second, don't invite Police into your life...open carry does that all too often.

To a few above that once lived in PA, this happened near Philly ( eastern PA ). I think Philly should be part of New Jersey.

As far as the election and PA, (obama didn't win) voter fraud is why he is still there so don't blame anyone except those responsible for that. Philly had many districts with higher voter turn out than it had people and many had 100% votes for obama.

PA 2012 results by county;

almost. Try playing poker with a royal flush showing

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by Double D

You will soon see OC go away due to this attitude. I will no longer comment on these threads. It does no good for the NRA or the GOA or any other pro gun organization to continue to fight for our rights if we arent going to use them. I have said this a thousand times if I have said it at all, open carry is LEGAL where it is LEGAL. That means its just as legal as riding your bike down the street. No different. Not one bit of difference. Same legal. Choosing not to carry open because you prefer to carry concealed is totally fine. Choosing not to open carry because you are afraid of the cops or afraid of the liberals when its totally legal, thats just wrong and will result in us eventually losing our rights. I have said this for the last time. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Its due time we invite these cops into our lives to educate them and quit being afraid. We arent doing anything wrong. We are LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am done for good on this subject, I just cant stand all the fear......

I don't care who does it, I don't for the reasons I already stated.

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by aa1911

almost. Try playing poker with a royal flush showing

I get your point and it's a good one.

But what would you have to carry to equal a Royal Flush?

A small nuke?

[aa1911]

it's seeing that I'm armed and not knowing if I'm joe blow citizen or a highly trained individual like Todd Jarrett who can plug 5 people faster than most could draw their weapon.

so maybe not a royal flush, but a winning hand for sure...

And I for certain don't knock CC by any means, it does have the advantage of surprise.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by aa1911

yep. I may have to take the torch and run with it DD, after all, you and a few others on here convinced me to stop worrying about doing something that's perfectly legal. I open carry every day like it's my job and although I had thought I'd be cuffed and stuffed a lot, not only does that not happen, I've yet to even have any negative encounters with LE or anyone in almost 6 months and counting. Most LEO's are very aware of LAC's rights here in western WA and are tired of getting sued for violating LAC's rights when OCing.

Get a few strange looks and some nervous laughs, but anyone who's on the fence, I hand them a WA gun rights pamphlet and try and educate them.

Like said, CC has it's advantages tactically in many cases but so does OC in others. Nothing wrong with CC, it's the WHY do you CC vs OC that needs addressed. If you CC out of fear of police interaction, take it from someone who used to think the same thing, if it's legal, it is legal and you should do it when you want, wherever you want (that's legal of course).

All areas are different, but I will bet that the fear is not warranted in most places, OC when you want and never look back. (figuratively; literally, yes, look behind you!)

You will have to run with it, I am done. I cant stand it anymore. Why bother fighting for gun rights?

[Zhurh]

AA1911, ya it's a little chilly here this time of the season, minus 32 when I got up this morn, but honestly, ya really get use to it all and look forward to when the sun shows back up in February; something about that big orange ball creeping behind the mnt tops that reinvigorates the soul. Thing is living here, if I ever went back to Pa, I'd be locked up first day there; so much more freedom up this way and I don't think it will ever change; part of the mindset up this way. No gun permits up here, so nobody looks twice at guns out in the open or concealed; most people have guns on them or on snowmachine anyway. Every couple years in May, we have a grizz or two walking the road, hungry as can be. Also have kids at school bus stop. So kids carry gun to school with them and then they are stored at school until they go home. Just try to tell a parent their kid can't have a gun for protection against a grizzly bear looking at the kid for breakfast and see what happens to you from any number of parents. That wouldn't happen back east and glad I call Alaska home. I have a bunch of Indians around me, they are OK, no African Americans within 300 miles of me, no crime or problems. They told me once many years back they had one blk guy here and he was OK, but he disappeared and nobody ever heard what happened to him, if he just left or whatever? So I guess I got to stay put to keep my freedom intact. I believe I live on the last road,in the last town, in the last state that will be subjugated across our once great land; so I got to like cold weather some to get the rest.

[aa1911]

I did the cup of hot water trick when I was in fairbanks, 5am waiting to leave for the airport, I took an 8oz cup of hot water from the hotel and went outside and tossed the contents in the air and watched about 2/3 of it vaporize and the rest fell as ice crystals! That was my March trip I think, it got up to 18' F one day...

love the cold myself, it does tend to weed out the 'riff raff'

and the summers there are actually nicer (and warmer by about 10' average) than here in western WA

[aa1911]

Originally Posted by Double D

You will have to run with it, I am done. I cant stand it anymore. Why bother fighting for gun rights?

I'm pretty thick headed and you got through to me, there's hope yet

[Double D]

Originally Posted by aa1911

I'm pretty thick headed and you got through to me, there's hope yet

Yea, it wasnt pretty getting to that point. I dont understand why people dont understand the difference between LEGAL and LEGAL. Good luck.

[Ruger_Fan]

Originally Posted by aa1911

yep. I may have to take the torch and run with it DD, after all, you and a few others on here convinced me to stop worrying about doing something that's perfectly legal. I open carry every day like it's my job and although I had thought I'd be cuffed and stuffed a lot, not only does that not happen, I've yet to even have any negative encounters with LE or anyone in almost 6 months and counting. Most LEO's are very aware of LAC's rights here in western WA and are tired of getting sued for violating LAC's rights when OCing.

Get a few strange looks and some nervous laughs, but anyone who's on the fence, I hand them a WA gun rights pamphlet and try and educate them.

Like said, CC has it's advantages tactically in many cases but so does OC in others. Nothing wrong with CC, it's the WHY do you CC vs OC that needs addressed. If you CC out of fear of police interaction, take it from someone who used to think the same thing, if it's legal, it is legal and you should do it when you want, wherever you want (that's legal of course).

All areas are different, but I will bet that the fear is not warranted in most places, OC when you want and never look back. (figuratively; literally, yes, look behind you!)

Here in NC it's legal to open carry but you can go to far and be charged with armed to the terror of the public. OC is legal but at the officers discretion it's not legal. We have a bunch of Jim Crow laws on the books that you need the equivalent of OJ's defense team to interpret.

It's so much easier to get a concealed permit and be done with it. Everything is black & white when you have a permit. OC you are rolling the dice when you get off your own property. Once you are charged with a firearms misdemeanor a Sheriff has reason to deny your concealed permit. You can go to superior court and get a permit. Then you need lawyers and a bunch of time. Less than $200 and eight hours of training you have a concealed permit, if you go on and get a permit as soon as you decide you need to carry a gun.

[goofy]

If it was legal in NY I would OC but sense it is not I CC every ware I go.
I carry a 1911 so sometimes you can tell I am carrying but as long as it is covered then it is legal.
Mike

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by Ruger_Fan

Here in NC it's legal to open carry but you can go to far and be charged with armed to the terror of the public. OC is legal but at the officers discretion it's not legal. We have a bunch of Jim Crow laws on the books that you need the equivalent of OJ's defense team to interpret.

It's so much easier to get a concealed permit and be done with it. Everything is black & white when you have a permit. OC you are rolling the dice when you get off your own property.

Interesting, is this similar to inducing panic? Sounds like your OC laws wern't very well thought out when written if it's basically the same. That needs changed ASAP.

[Ruger_Fan]

Originally Posted by firefighter1635

Interesting, is this similar to inducing panic? Sounds like your OC laws wern't very well thought out when written if it's basically the same. That needs changed ASAP.

Most people here are so apathetic it's not funny. The only reason they belong to the NRA is because you have to be a member to take part in most firearms related activities. As I stated earlier it's easy to get a concealed permit. They have a permit and they don't care. Most people here are more interested in keeping a hunter off their deer lease. If you think our OC laws are crazy you should see our hunting laws. Deer hunting used to be the number one participant sport in the state. Now it's got to the point that no one hunts. Even if you have permission to hunt most of the land in a given block of woods you are still going to have conflicts. I own 135 acres and every season someone tries to run me off my own land.

[Alpo]

As he mentioned, it sounds like a Jim Crow law. For those too young to remember, those are laws that are intended to only be used against blacks.

Florida law used to be that you needed a permit to carry a pistol, or a "springfield or other repeating rifle" or any other of a long list of weapons. The permit cost 150 bucks, was only good for one year, and was only good in the county it was issued in. Since your average southern black guy did not have an extra 150 bucks a year, they didn't have permits. That allowed the cops to arrest any black guy carrying any kind of a weapon - gun, knife, black jack, brass knuckles - whatever. White guy, also carrying without a permit, and the cops would ignore him.

Sounds like, in North Carolina, that a white guy could be walking along carrying a gun and it's no big deal, but a black guy doing the same thing could be arrested for "inciting terror".