Barry O'Drama May Skirt Congress to Ban Semiautomatics

[montezumaz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=dksjPJLgBJk

An anti-gun owner initiative considered in Washington could lead to massive civil disobedience and a severe domestic crisis,” gun law expert John Snyder said today. “According to confidential information,” he continued, “forces linked with the administration suggest the government classify semiautomatic firearms and multiple capacity ammunition feeding devices as Title 2 National Firearms Act items under the Gun Control Act of 1968. “Under this scenario, semiautomatics and high capacity magazines could be acquired only with great difficulty and at great expense by America’s estimated 100 million law-abiding firearms owners.”
“The Obama gang probably realizes it would have a possibly insurmountable difficulty getting a semi auto ban, such as that considered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (CA-D) and others, through Congress,” Snyder noted. “Congressional Second Amendment supporters already are preparing for such a battle. During the Clinton years, Congress enacted a partial, temporary semiauto ban but allowed it to sunset after 10 years because of its lack of significant negative impact on crime. The Obama administration now may order the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to take the classification step. Some gun-grabbers view the designation of Street Sweeper shotguns as Title 2 firearms during the Clinton administration as precedent for such a move.
“For several years, various groups and individuals have discussed the anti-gun owner proclivities of the administration. Obama anti-gun owner activities have involved the promulgation of anti-gun federal regulations, the appointment of anti-gun judges to the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, and the appointment of anti-gun personnel to other high federal positions, including the attorney generalship of the United States.”
“It’s been under this attorney generalship that the infamous Fast and Furious federal gun running scandal involving ATF has occurred,” Snyder stated. “The administration may feel that a replacement in that office could facilitate a ratcheting-up of its anti-gun activities with announcement and inauguration of the proposed semiautomatic classification/ban.
“Such a move surely would galvanize the law-abiding grass roots gun-owning American public into opposition as it never has before. At the very least, it would lead to an action in the U.S. House of Representatives to defund if not eliminate entirely the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. To what it would lead at the very most is anyone’s guess.” - John Snyder

[hogger129]

None of this NFA/GCA stuff is legal to begin with because it contradicts the Second Amendment, but people are so stupid they let their rights be crushed. Yes, this will cause a giant ****storm. It will also force people into buying firearms through black markets because honestly who's gonna go pay thousands of dollars at a gun shop, and register it and do all the PITA paperwork, when they can just buy em cheap in a back alley somewhere?

[aa1911]

what are we supposed to do with the millions that are already in LAC's hands? turn them in to be destroyed? I don't think so.

if there was a proven cause/effect relationship between gun ownership and crime, guns would have been either banned long ago or all restrictions would be lifted. Since that is not the case, why do these nut job anti-gunners think banning any type of gun or magazine is going to do anything but raise the ratio of armed thugs to LAC's?

[Zhurh]

Going after guns causes the Dems more problems than they can handle. The Dems will be banned in the end. If it didn't get them thrown out of office, it would start a war; and they don't have the resources to deal with Americans killing Americans all over our great Country. They never seem to learn how much venom gun control spews in the hearts of Americans.

[norahc]

Originally Posted by aa1911

what are we supposed to do with the millions that are already in LAC's hands? turn them in to be destroyed? I don't think so.

Didn't Feinstein say that was her intention this time around?

[mogunner]

Feinstein's been preaching this for over ten years, her and her twin Barbara Boxer are two of the biggest PITAsses that California "owns"....

I think Obama has much bigger problems coming across his plate and messing with the 2nd is going to fade into the sunset as he works to keep WW3 from happening and dragging us into that while still trying to get out of Afghanistan as well as other higher priority issues facing us. If anything he may hand it off to Clinton to get done, and we all see how well she manages that.

[gvw3]

It would be a big mistake on his part. Gun control is no longer a popular issue. The NRA has Democrats in my state rated A+ on gun rights. Not all of them but a good number. They could never come up with the votes needed to pull this off.

[norahc]

Looking at gvw3's signature

Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

I just realized how oBo and company is going to pull this off...they're going to have OSHA deal with it as a workplace hazard.

[Twicepop]

Originally Posted by gvw3

It would be a big mistake on his part. Gun control is no longer a popular issue. The NRA has Democrats in my state rated A+ on gun rights. Not all of them but a good number. They could never come up with the votes needed to pull this off.

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They don't need the votes to accomplish this, the Supreme Court will carry out the mission. Obummer has already put two flaming liberals on the Court, Anthony Kennedy is set to retire after the first of the year, and Ruth Bader Ginsberg will be soon to follow. All rulings will be 5 to 4, or 6 to 3 in favor of all liberal dictates after this happens. Popular votes, Congressional and Senatorial votes wont mean a damn thing after this.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by hogger129

It will also force people into buying firearms through black markets because honestly who's gonna go pay thousands of dollars at a gun shop, and register it and do all the PITA paperwork, when they can just buy em cheap in a back alley somewhere?

Who is going to pay extra to comply with laws that they feel are inherently wrong?

Well, I do. Anyone who has paid for the tax stamp (and there are many of us here on TFF) has done just that.

Could I have bought a silencer for a lot less? Yep. I could also cut down the barrel on one of my shotguns for free, but I won't do it.
Instead, I've been trying for the last couple years to find a barreled SxS 12 gauge action that has never had a stock mounted to it. Ideally with external hammers.
SBSs are banned in Indiana, so I need something that has never been a shotgun so that I can make an AOW rather than an SBS. And it's just about impossible to find. I've got probably $200+ invested in my time on this project (and I work for cheap).

So long as it is possible to comply with the law, it's cheaper and easier to do so. I want the laws changed, but I don't want CampingJosh v. United States to be the test case.

[MSGT-R]

Originally Posted by norahc

Looking at gvw3's signature

I just realized how oBo and company is going to pull this off...they're going to have OSHA deal with it as a workplace hazard.

Being a Navy-OSH safetynazi, guns are not a work place hazard unless you are law enforcement, then the work place hazard is on the range during requals, and that's from noise and lead exposure.. There is more to fear from electrical and chemical HAZMAT.

[norahc]

Originally Posted by MSGT-R

Being a Navy-OSH safetynazi, guns are not a work place hazard unless you are law enforcement, then the work place hazard is on the range during requals, and that's from noise and lead exposure.. There is more to fear from electrical and chemical HAZMAT.

You're forgetting how much of a workplace hazard that an armed, law abiding citizen presents to the criminal element.

[RunningOnMT]

Poor choice of words there norahc. We've got to be careful how we say things lest our words be misconstrued. An edit might be a good idea.

[Twicepop]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Poor choice of words there norahc. We've got to be careful how we say things lest our words be misconstrued. An edit might be a good idea.

Absolutely right, I have a little phrase that I put along at the end of my posts and comments usually. When the topic is of a political nature, the phrase is omitted............note the smiley face icon.

[norahc]

Good point....edit made.

[MSGT-R]

Originally Posted by norahc

You're forgetting how much of a workplace hazard that an armed, law abiding citizen presents to the criminal element.

But you have you're weapons at home; not at work. OSHA has no say-so in the home, only occupational in the work place.

So feel free to use all those extension cords and daisy chain power strips that you want at your house.

[norahc]

Originally Posted by MSGT-R

But you have you're weapons at home; not at work. OSHA has no say-so in the home, only occupational in the work place.

So feel free to use all those extension cords and daisy chain power strips that you want at your house.

I was being facetious...

[MSGT-R]

[aa1911]

writing a 'argument and pursuasion' essay for an english class I'm taking, this is one of (my favorite) references thus far, it's a fantastic read on how the "less guns = less crime" is false. worth a read and cites it's resources thoroughly.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

my instructor is going to get a huge kick out of my paper, I can feel it... I plan on posting it up here as well

reading the enemy's websites (bradycenter.org, bradycampaign.org, etc.) is sickening and the 'facts' that are published are complete lies and subversive figures.

I researched many of the sources listed and found very opposite data on the very same sources websites including the bureau of justice website. I re-read the 'assault weapons ban' of 94 and the asinine logic that's in that is so bass ackwards it frightens me as to how people can seriously think like that. 10 round restriction is the most retarded crap one could come up with. And we all know that street thugs use grenade launchers and bayonnets... seriously, remove your grey matter from your brown matter....

according to the brady bunch, assault rifles (including Uzi's, an uzi is a rifle?) are the most desirable 'mass murder' weapons by criminals, yet all statistics show that handguns are used in crime far and away more than any other type of gun. So what gives? Oh, that's right, anti-gunners don't listen to facts.

facts and logic seem to illude the ignoramouses like brady who apparantly lives in a bubble removed from the real world.

OK, rant over (for now...)

[MSGT-R]

1. Most laws are passed on emotion and sensationalism of the press; no one ever reads what the law is really all about.
2. Most of the people voting today have never held a gun, let alone have any military service.
3. Kennedy wasn't killed with an automatic or even a semi-automatic.
4. Uzis are crap and full automatic is severly over-rated; after the 3rd round your'e way off target (a large target).
5. A large portion of the Democratic voting public thinks WWF is real, Jerry Springer is high entertainment and that Oprah has all the answers.
6. Se' Habla Englese? We will vote for anyone that lets us stay after crawling under the fence and giving us free-stuff!

[aa1911]

Yep ^^

I say give full autos to 'street thugs' they wouldn't hit crap and run out of ammo real quick! Then one could pick them off nice and careful with a few well aimed shots. More likely, the gun would jam after a couple rounds leaving them equally defenseless against a LAC.

one can kill far more people on semi than full auto unless you're behind a crew served or on an ambush line.

and being that a magazine reload can easily take place in one or two seconds, having 10 or 15 rounds (or 32) makes little to no difference being that many shootings (like 95%) don't require a reload, even with 5 shot revolvers.

[MSGT-R]

Recessed bullet buttons are just stupid; a pen can release the magazine, you can wear a ring with a protrusion, you can machine the receiver flat and put the button back on afterward..

If you need that many bullets, you're either in a fire fight or your aim just plain sucks.

[aa1911]

yep. If a couple mags of rounds or so doesn't do the job, more isn't going to help!