‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ - The Firearms Forum

cheesewiz · 11-30-2012, 02:36 PM

When the local Govt tells you this ....SHTF Already-

City Attorney Tells San Bernardino Residents To ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Because Of Police Downsizing-

The city attorney of San Bernardino is under scrutiny for telling residents to “lock their doors and load their guns” during a city council meeting.

The official explained that because the city is bankrupt and slashing public safety budgets people will need to start protecting themselves.

City Attorney Jim Penman said he doesn’t regret what he said.

“You should say what you mean and mean what you say,” Penman said.

The city attorney said approximately 150 residents came to a council meeting to voice their concerns about recent crimes in the area, including the murder of an elderly woman last week.

“You could tell the swell of frustration was coming over a lot of folks. They did not feel like they could get an officer out as quickly to some of the quality-of-life issues that they were dealing with as they would have preferred,” said councilwoman Wendy McCommack, who organized the meeting and was present that night.

“Well, if I remember right, I told them to ‘lock their doors and load their guns,’” Penman said.

Penman said the city is dealing with bankruptcy, which has forced officials to cut its police force by about 80 officers. Consequently, there’s been growing criticism about the police department’s response time.

“Let’s be honest, we don’t have enough police officers. We have too many criminals living in this city. We have had 45 murders this year…that’s far too high for a city of this size,” Penman said.

The city attorney said it’s important for people to be smart about protecting themselves and their families.

“I’m not advocating that people go out, who don’t have any training, and buy firearms. I certainly strongly caution anyone who has children at home not to have a loaded gun in the house,” Penman said.

“We need to take our streets back, we need to take our neighborhoods back and we need to protect our homes, and that’s what I think Jim was trying to say,” McCommack said.

The city of San Bernardino has seen a 50 percent increase in murders this year compared to 2011.

JUST THE BEGINNING FOLKS !

GunnyGene · 11-30-2012, 02:58 PM

Detroit and other large cities are going the same way - downhill. Seems like a big race to the bottom.

Must not be enough wealth distribution to keep the entitlement bunch happy. But Obama will fix it. All he needs is permission to raise the National Debt limit whenever he feels the tingle up his leg.

gvw3 · 11-30-2012, 03:04 PM

Mismanagement by the city. Sort of like Illinois and Chicago. Cost a lot to get those votes.

Carne Frio · 11-30-2012, 03:31 PM

They will soon save some money by firing their city attorney.
Speaking the truth can lose your job.

RunningOnMT · 11-30-2012, 03:33 PM

Crime is bad and so is a communities inability to provide adequate police protection for it's citizens, but I see a positive side to this. The good thing is that a city official recognizes that the ultimate responsibility for an individuals safety is himself. I see this as a positive step back to restoring our right to keep and bear arms. Of course we've always had that right but governments have failed to acknowledge it. The rate of violent crime in a number of California communities is a direct result of the infringement of that right.

76Highboy · 11-30-2012, 06:38 PM

Get ready, it's coming.

time2shoot · 12-02-2012, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 76Highboy

Get ready, it's coming.

I am. Why do you think i havent ben on hear in like three days.
Thats alot of reloading. And i ran out of supplies.
So who ever is hording all the .223 brass, Can I have some please.!!!!

1LoneWolf75 · 12-02-2012, 08:00 AM

I had a LEO tell me if someone breaks into my house and I defend myself make sure the perp don't survive. He said yer less apt to get sued and it also means less paperwork. Course I live 5 miles out and if I use the 12 on anyone inside the house then they'll bleed out on the floor afore cops and emts can get here.

OH and defiantly make sure they can't leave the house AFTER you shoot em, then yer liable fer attempted murder

MSGT-R · 12-02-2012, 09:31 AM

San Bernadino has been F-ed up for a long time. It was first a haven for Meth Labs, now Gangs. Too much acreage for the police to keep tabs on everything. Now the County Sheriff will have to take up more slack, and they are under staffed also. San Bernadino County is the largest County in California; not just a big city.

I live "next door" in Riverside County. San Bernadino is about 50 minutes away up the freeway. It's the terminus for Route-66.

cheesewiz · 12-02-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by time2shoot

I am. Why do you think i havent ben on hear in like three days.
Thats alot of reloading. And i ran out of supplies.
So who ever is hording all the .223 brass, Can I have some please.!!!!

Shoot I'd like to just hang out and watch you do that

now that's a good time !

cycloneman · 12-02-2012, 11:40 AM

Welcome to the jungle we've got fun and games
We got everything you want honey, we know the names
We are the people that can find whatever you may need
If you got the money honey we got your disease

stumpjumper · 12-02-2012, 04:13 PM

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The city attorney said approximately 150 residents came to a council meeting to voice their concerns about recent crimes in the area, including the murder of an elderly woman last week.

“You could tell the swell of frustration was coming over a lot of folks. They did not feel like they could get an officer out as quickly to some of the quality-of-life issues that they were dealing with as they would have preferred,” said councilwoman Wendy McCommack, who organized the meeting and was present that night.

more like non quality of life seeing she was murdered
at least the people here know this is where we are at.

SmallCaliberGuy · 12-02-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Highboy

Get ready, it's coming.

Agreed, it is only going to get worse.

Jody

Gun Geezer · 12-02-2012, 07:51 PM

The politicians will cut everything except their own salaries and welfare. The citizens need to stand up to a city that's bankrupt and cut the politicians first. I'm sure they'll find better qualified replacements who would do an honest job for little or no salary.
What ever happened to politicians working for the taxpayers? If they're not doing the job, fire them! Cut their salaries! Cut their health care! Cut their retirements! Quit punishing the taxpayers! Cut welfare! Cut Entitlements! Problem solved!

Deacon_Man · 12-02-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gun Geezer

The politicians will cut everything except their own salaries and welfare. The citizens need to stand up to a city that's bankrupt and cut the politicians first. I'm sure they'll find better qualified replacements who would do an honest job for little or no salary.
What ever happened to politicians working for the taxpayers? If they're not doing the job, fire them! Cut their salaries! Cut their health care! Cut their retirements! Quit punishing the taxpayers! Cut welfare! Cut Entitlements! Problem solved!

Amen, brother

tango1niner · 12-03-2012, 05:58 AM

It is HERE!

nstoolman1 · 12-03-2012, 11:33 PM

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City Attorney Tells San Bernardino Residents To ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Because Of Police Downsizing-

Could someone use this as their "good cause" statement for CCW?

marlin795 · 12-04-2012, 02:02 AM

I already sleep with a loaded 12 gauge beside my bed. I don't envy anyone ever breaking in here.

Kevin Rohrer · 12-04-2012, 09:11 AM

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The good thing is that a city official recognizes that the ultimate responsibility for an individuals safety is himself.

This is the absolute truth, but something that almost no one realizes and public officials refuse to state. The police exist to HELP the public protect themselves, not have the soul responsibility for doing so.

flboots · 12-04-2012, 08:08 PM

This kind of fits into the Berry McGuire's song EVE OF DESTRUCTION. I know its an anti war song, but it sort of fits these days.

GunnyGene · 12-04-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by flboots

This kind of fits into the Berry McGuire's song EVE OF DESTRUCTION. I know its an anti war song, but it sort of fits these days.

I don't know anyone who is "pro war" that has actually participated in one. But I do know a lot who are "pro winning" one.

11-30-2012, 02:36 PM	#1
cheesewiz V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 279	‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ When the local Govt tells you this ....SHTF Already- *City Attorney Tells San Bernardino Residents To ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Because Of Police Downsizing-* The city attorney of San Bernardino is under scrutiny for telling residents to “lock their doors and load their guns” during a city council meeting. The official explained that because the city is bankrupt and slashing public safety budgets people will need to start protecting themselves. City Attorney Jim Penman said he doesn’t regret what he said. “You should say what you mean and mean what you say,” Penman said. The city attorney said approximately 150 residents came to a council meeting to voice their concerns about recent crimes in the area, including the murder of an elderly woman last week. “You could tell the swell of frustration was coming over a lot of folks. They did not feel like they could get an officer out as quickly to some of the quality-of-life issues that they were dealing with as they would have preferred,” said councilwoman Wendy McCommack, who organized the meeting and was present that night. “Well, if I remember right, I told them to ‘lock their doors and load their guns,’” Penman said. Penman said the city is dealing with bankruptcy, which has forced officials to cut its police force by about 80 officers. Consequently, there’s been growing criticism about the police department’s response time. “Let’s be honest, we don’t have enough police officers. We have too many criminals living in this city. We have had 45 murders this year…that’s far too high for a city of this size,” Penman said. The city attorney said it’s important for people to be smart about protecting themselves and their families. “I’m not advocating that people go out, who don’t have any training, and buy firearms. I certainly strongly caution anyone who has children at home not to have a loaded gun in the house,” Penman said. “We need to take our streets back, we need to take our neighborhoods back and we need to protect our homes, and that’s what I think Jim was trying to say,” McCommack said. The city of San Bernardino has seen a 50 percent increase in murders this year compared to 2011. JUST THE BEGINNING FOLKS ! -->

11-30-2012, 02:58 PM	#2
GunnyGene Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,962	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Detroit and other large cities are going the same way - downhill. Seems like a big race to the bottom. Must not be enough wealth distribution to keep the entitlement bunch happy. But Obama will fix it. All he needs is permission to raise the National Debt limit whenever he feels the tingle up his leg.

11-30-2012, 03:04 PM	#3
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,463	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Mismanagement by the city. Sort of like Illinois and Chicago. Cost a lot to get those votes. __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

11-30-2012, 03:31 PM	#4
Carne Frio Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Near Fairbanks Posts: 701	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ They will soon save some money by firing their city attorney. Speaking the truth can lose your job.

11-30-2012, 03:33 PM	#5
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Crime is bad and so is a communities inability to provide adequate police protection for it's citizens, but I see a positive side to this. The good thing is that a city official recognizes that the ultimate responsibility for an individuals safety is himself. I see this as a positive step back to restoring our right to keep and bear arms. Of course we've always had that right but governments have failed to acknowledge it. The rate of violent crime in a number of California communities is a direct result of the infringement of that right. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

11-30-2012, 06:38 PM	#6
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,094	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Get ready, it's coming.

12-02-2012, 08:00 AM	#8
1LoneWolf75 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Humboldt KS Posts: 604	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ I had a LEO tell me if someone breaks into my house and I defend myself make sure the perp don't survive. He said yer less apt to get sued and it also means less paperwork. Course I live 5 miles out and if I use the 12 on anyone inside the house then they'll bleed out on the floor afore cops and emts can get here. OH and defiantly make sure they can't leave the house AFTER you shoot em, then yer liable fer attempted murder __________________ They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!!! "Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not." - Thomas Jefferson "I've seen the system fall apart from the rules and all our presidents lie"--"Soul Survive"- Asphalt Ballethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DgVrYWw00

12-02-2012, 09:31 AM	#9
MSGT-R Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 939	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ San Bernadino has been F-ed up for a long time. It was first a haven for Meth Labs, now Gangs. Too much acreage for the police to keep tabs on everything. Now the County Sheriff will have to take up more slack, and they are under staffed also. San Bernadino County is the largest County in California; not just a big city. I live "next door" in Riverside County. San Bernadino is about 50 minutes away up the freeway. It's the terminus for Route-66. __________________ If you suck, go back to the range. Last edited by MSGT-R; 12-02-2012 at 09:36 AM..

12-02-2012, 11:40 AM	#11
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,434	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Welcome to the jungle we've got fun and games We got everything you want honey, we know the names We are the people that can find whatever you may need If you got the money honey we got your disease __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

12-02-2012, 07:51 PM	#14
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,715	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ The politicians will cut everything except their own salaries and welfare. The citizens need to stand up to a city that's bankrupt and cut the politicians first. I'm sure they'll find better qualified replacements who would do an honest job for little or no salary. What ever happened to politicians working for the taxpayers? If they're not doing the job, fire them! Cut their salaries! Cut their health care! Cut their retirements! Quit punishing the taxpayers! Cut welfare! Cut Entitlements! Problem solved! __________________ If voting could change anything for the better, It'd already be illegal.

12-03-2012, 05:58 AM	#16
tango1niner V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: rural upstate NY Posts: 60	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ It is HERE!

12-04-2012, 02:02 AM	#18
marlin795 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Calvary Chapel Bible College; Murrieta,CA Posts: 755	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ I already sleep with a loaded 12 gauge beside my bed. I don't envy anyone ever breaking in here. __________________ Native born Californian, adopted by the Great State Of Texas! PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!

12-04-2012, 08:08 PM	#20
flboots V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Northeast Florida Posts: 403	Re: ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ This kind of fits into the Berry McGuire's song EVE OF DESTRUCTION. I know its an anti war song, but it sort of fits these days.