Are you ever gona vote again? - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

cheesewiz · 12-04-2012, 08:47 PM

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein-

Just a thought ...

jedwil · 12-04-2012, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haligan

The Fact is; Those who vote in a voting system that they KNOW is fraudualant are LEGITIMIZING AND CONDONING that their voting system is fradualant.

If someone were to say "no" I will not participate in your rigged game any longer, that person is doing more to try to re-establish what our country used to be. I respect anyone who disagrees with me. (even though that sentiment does not seem to be returned.)

"Insanity can be defined by; doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend, to the death, your right to say it" - Voltair

Redhand · 12-04-2012, 10:01 PM

YES!!! I will vote as often in each election process that I will have the opportunity. My vote can't be bought, I don't care how much money they pour into it. I will continue to vote once,twice,three times which is now a possibility given the results of the last Cluster. Hey thats a good description of it Cluster Buck voting.

cheesewiz · 12-04-2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redhand

YES!!! I will vote as often in each election process that I will have the opportunity. My vote can't be bought, I don't care how much money they pour into it. I will continue to vote once,twice,three times which is now a possibility given the results of the last Cluster. Hey thats a good description of it Cluster Buck voting.

I grew up near Chicago and there was a saying " Vote early and vote often "
I know all to well how Chicago politics work , especially during the elder Daly years . Don't forget this is where POTUS was from .......Two governors are in Prison .....

steve4102 · 12-04-2012, 10:24 PM

I am 56 years old and I have never, never missed and election since I was 18. With the amount of voter fraud going on in this country I will not vote again. I'm sure my vote will be cast for a Socialist, most likely several times, but at least not by me. I'm done, F this country.

marlin795 · 12-04-2012, 10:27 PM

I'll vote till this country falls apart and it won't matter anymore. Got a while till then though.

cycloneman · 12-04-2012, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve4102

I am 56 years old and I have never, never missed and election since I was 18. With the amount of voter fraud going on in this country I will not vote again. I'm sure my vote will be cast for a Socialist, most likely several times, but at least not by me. I'm done, F this country.

I see alot of people with the same thoughts every day. There is no dept of justice anymore. No one to stop this. they have learned and I know they will never let go of control. Too many people see the ballot box is broken. The last election was the line in the sand. History will show it. I am not a moron.

I'm done too. But i say F this world.

Look at how much red overcast the blue on the map. There is just something wrong with that. How do you expain that to your kids?

steve4102 · 12-04-2012, 11:06 PM

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How do you expain that to your kids?

You tell them to forget school, forget working for a living, forget getting up in the morning, forget it all. You tell them that they will be far better off living off the Entitlement system and getting everything for free. You tell them that working hard will put them in the poor house and sitting on their ass will get them everything.

Me, I'm signing up for as many disability programs that I can find. No more work for this old crippled up construction worker. Time for me to take what you worken folks OWE me.

cycloneman · 12-04-2012, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve4102

You tell them to forget school, forget working for a living, forget getting up in the morning, forget it all. You tell them that they will be far better off living off the Entitlement system and getting everything for free. You tell them that working hard will put them in the poor house and sitting on their ass will get them everything.

Me, I'm signing up for as many disability programs that I can find. No more work for this old crippled up construction worker. Time for me to take what you worken folks OWE me.

Steve in my first post i gave 3 options. I screwed up.

1 should have been live on the dole

2. work for what you get and be happy

3. work harder for less

4 steal what you want.

I fixed it

steve4102 · 12-04-2012, 11:21 PM

Quote:

1 should have been live on the dole

More accurate.

Live prosper and flourish, on the dole.

cycloneman · 12-04-2012, 11:29 PM

The queen of section 8.

you’re the beat of the underclass.
A disease for which there is no cure.
The queen of section 8!
Have you no pride?

Down in dirt with no dignity.
You Hope each day to numb to see.
Tell us what will you do,
When your master is thru with you?

They use your body,
Cause your good for that.
They love your fetus farm, that s a fact
They toss you crumbs of their greed.
Cause they profit from your seed.

Down in dirt with no dignity.
Your hope each day to numb to see.
Tell us what will you do,
When your master is thru with you?

Never realize beneath what lies,
Your meager life by which you slide.
Trafficking in the human zoo,
Is this the best that you can do?

Down in dirt with no dignity
Each day will pass too blind to see
Tell us what will you do
When your master is thru with you?

glens67 · 12-05-2012, 01:44 AM

It is very hard to compete with Chicago Politics, a biased media, and a low down lying dog.

Again the republicans failed to attack, choosing to take the high road and not pressing the POS's (POTUS) failings. Some one should have outed the Bengazi scandal, (the point where Mit lost the election and the debate), pushed the Fast and Furious scandal, Pushed the Enron scandal, asked where all of the Bail out money went, and not allow them to push their distractions, War on Women, give me a break...

I will always Vote

goofy · 12-05-2012, 06:48 AM

I have been reading this as it gets longer and longer.
1st to those of you that say F this country well then leave!
2nd to those who say the election was rigged(I am not saying you are wrong) Show us your FACTS If this was true why didn't any one do anything?
Why did YOU not do something about it instead of bit$$ing on the computer?
If the facts that you will show me are true then do something about it.
Now I am sure I will hear ALLOT of excuses of why nothing can be done but they WILL ONLY BE EXCUSES!
If you say you are not voting again then just hand in your guns, stop your whining,You are just handing away one of your rights why don't you just giveaway ALL of your rights.
I see that things are going to get worse not only because of the government but also because of YOU!
Stand up for your rights use them or lose them.
By giving up you do not help.
You only make things worse.
And if you don't like it then change it.
And if you don't try then don't bi***.
Mike

GunHugger · 12-05-2012, 06:54 AM

"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."

When the ballot box is no longer trusted and fraud takes hold the only real answer is to resort to the bullet box. Today that's not going to happen.

The jury box should be the next step but it can't be trusted either. We had voter ID here in PA in place for the last election. Weeks before the election a libtard judge said no.

Our vote doesn't count and most people don't know or even care about it if they do. The Communist/Socialist have taken our country from us and set things up so they can keep it.

Will I vote again? Right now I don't see any reason to bother but hopefully that will change.

One thing is for sure...they are coming for us so called "domestic terrorist" next.

History is a cycle of phases-from oppression, to rebellion, to struggling young nation, to strong independent country, to growing and strong central government and back to oppression once again. America is no different. We are now and have been for years at the strong central government phase of the cycle and rapidly heading for serious and increasing oppression. It will be a while before we see the wheel return to the rebellion phase giving birth to a new and struggling young nation again whose people really understand and cherish true freedom.

rosierita · 12-05-2012, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goofy

I have been reading this as it gets longer and longer.
1st to those of you that say F this country well then leave!
2nd to those who say the election was rigged(I am not saying you are wrong) Show us your FACTS If this was true why didn't any one do anything?
Why did YOU not do something about it instead of bit$$ing on the computer?
If the facts that you will show me are true then do something about it.
Now I am sure I will hear ALLOT of excuses of why nothing can be done but they WILL ONLY BE EXCUSES!
If you say you are not voting again then just hand in your guns, stop your whining,You are just handing away one of your rights why don't you just giveaway ALL of your rights.
I see that things are going to get worse not only because of the government but also because of YOU!
Stand up for your rights use them or lose them.
By giving up you do not help.
You only make things worse.
And if you don't like it then change it.
And if you don't try then don't bi***.
Mike

i agree.

i think there is a lot more we could be doing to change our society. take this forum for instance. we have a lot of members all over the country... if we each did something in our local areas that would change perceptions, that would have a much bigger impact than you realize.

(then imagine, if every conservative forum took the same action, what the result would be.)

GunHugger · 12-05-2012, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goofy

I have been reading this as it gets longer and longer.
1st to those of you that say F this country well then leave!
2nd to those who say the election was rigged(I am not saying you are wrong) Show us your FACTS If this was true why didn't any one do anything?
Why did YOU not do something about it instead of bit$$ing on the computer?
If the facts that you will show me are true then do something about it.
Now I am sure I will hear ALLOT of excuses of why nothing can be done but they WILL ONLY BE EXCUSES!
If you say you are not voting again then just hand in your guns, stop your whining,You are just handing away one of your rights why don't you just giveaway ALL of your rights.
I see that things are going to get worse not only because of the government but also because of YOU!
Stand up for your rights use them or lose them.
By giving up you do not help.
You only make things worse.
And if you don't like it then change it.
And if you don't try then don't bi***.
Mike

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.

This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000

12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-...-facts-figures

cycloneman · 12-05-2012, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goofy

I have been reading this as it gets longer and longer.
1st to those of you that say F this country well then leave!
2nd to those who say the election was rigged(I am not saying you are wrong) Show us your FACTS If this was true why didn't any one do anything?
Why did YOU not do something about it instead of bit$$ing on the computer?
If the facts that you will show me are true then do something about it.
Now I am sure I will hear ALLOT of excuses of why nothing can be done but they WILL ONLY BE EXCUSES!
If you say you are not voting again then just hand in your guns, stop your whining,You are just handing away one of your rights why don't you just giveaway ALL of your rights.
I see that things are going to get worse not only because of the government but also because of YOU!
Stand up for your rights use them or lose them.
By giving up you do not help.
You only make things worse.
And if you don't like it then change it.
And if you don't try then don't bi***.
Mike

I honestly dont care to provide you with links and facts. I know them and I can see by your response that you dont. Do a search on voter fraud and learn all you want. Also do you know who our DOJ is run by? Do you know his track record.

Getting upset and telling me to leave does you or me no good. I am not trying to upset you. I am trying to show you that your vote does not count anymore. I was trying to educate. the more this thread goes on the more I see how screwed the country is.

Easy to tell me to leave - why dont you tell those illegals to leave. Thats right actually go to home depot where they stand all day long and telll them in there tongue to leave. See where that gets ya. Or ask them nicely not to vote next time. See if that works.

hobby_mesa · 12-05-2012, 08:47 AM

Personally I don't like being lumped in with a populace stupid enough to vote in the same mistakes over and over...rigged or not. I've heard that same old argument many times...if you don't vote you don't have no right to bitch. On the contrary, I could say something similar...9 years as USMC, serving my country, being involved in things that will bother me forever...if you haven't served at least as long as me, you've got not right to bitch. The argument makes no sense. Besides, I have a right not to be lumped in with the crowd if I so choose. It's my business if I do or not. If you "lose respect" or "won't listen" because, IN YOUR OPINION I don't have that right...then I have no time for you. Besides, the only people who know IF I voted and for who are generally my wife and mother. It's only my business and you have no business judging me or trying to FORCE me into doing what YOU BELIEVE is the right thing. If you treat me unpleasantly because I choose not to exercise a right, seems to me you're forgetting the bigger picture of what men served and died for.

cycloneman · 12-05-2012, 08:52 AM

JUST WAIT A COTTON PICKING MIN.

GEE I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO LEAVE THIS COUNTY CAUSE I SAID F THIS COUNTRY CAUSE I AM UPSET WITH THE FRAUD IN THIS COUNTRY.

GEE NO ONE HAS THE MIND TO TELL THE HEAD UNDOCUMENTED WORKER IN THE WH TO LEAVE? ITS OK FOR ME TO LEAVE BUT NOT HIM?

OK

Snakedriver · 12-05-2012, 09:07 AM

Cycloneman, like you I'm very frustrated with the whole voting process. I've voted in every election since I became eligible vote. I always had absolute faith that the American people would do what was right for America. I'm not so sure anymore. It seems that we have a new majority of people that are bent on destroying America.

I find it extremely hard to believe that with the last 4 years of remarkable failure by a corrupt President who makes Jimmy Carter look far competent, the Romney-Ryan ticket received some 3 million less votes than did the McCain-Palin ticket in 2008. REALLY???? You've got to be kidding!!!

With the horrible disrespect given shown by the Obama Administration for everything Israel, the majority American Jews still voted for Obama. Really?

With all the disrespect given to the Catholic Church by the Obama Administration through Obomacare, vast numbers of faithful Catholics still voted for Obama. Really?

Through all of his Muslim sympathy and disrespect for everything about the prayer and the Christian faith, Evangelicals failed to show up on Election Day or went ahead and voted for Obama. Really?

So many people who manage a family budget and are forced to live within their means by not spending more than they make disregarded the crushing amount of irresponsible overspending and debt added by the Obama Administration by voting for him anyway. Really?

Despite all the evidence that voter fraud is rampant throughout the Country, Democrats continue to fight any efforts to pass Voter I.D. Laws that will insure 1 legitimate vote for each person and nothing more. Really?

The Romney-Ryan ticket was comprised of two smart guys who had a plan to save America, where the incumbent ticket was comprised of an inexperience buffoon and loose-tongued clown, yet a majority of Americans selected the two idiots. REALLY?????

Yes, I’m seriously questioning whether voting means anything anymore. Will I continue to vote, probably, but my faith in the system has been shaken to its very foundation and is failing. I know one thing; we’re going to quit killing ourselves to be a success. We’ll do what we need to survive, but being a productive member of society, so that others can have what you have worked hard to get has a very bad taste now. Why would we do it?

btown · 12-05-2012, 09:09 AM

I suggest checking out the Tea Party. You can find out more at www.tea party.org . I am going to paraphrase something Dick Armey said several years ago " There will always be amongst us those with Revolutionary War blood in their veins."

cycloneman · 12-05-2012, 09:13 AM

The guy with a fake Birth cert, fake SSI numbers, numerous names, sealed records, who brought us fast and furoius, who defened illegals, who has the worst economy ever, high unemployment, offended everyone, gets a second term. F me.

ozo · 12-05-2012, 09:18 AM

One of the greatest achievements of the
anti-gun, socialistic, selfish liberals is they
have caused us to argue between ourselves
and divide us from within.
Each time I hear someone calling for 'facts'
and/or proof, and the truth arrives, it somehow
gets poo-pooed.
Gunhugger gave some clear and recent fact,
and only scratched the surface. There is so much more.
The truth is available to us all, and has been for decades.
Quit asking 'others' to provide it, and go find it on your own.
For me, there has been many times I've contemplated NOT voting
in the last couple of decades. I always go vote anyway. Even when
it makes me sick to my stomach. I have no faith that my vote counts,
but I go because I have the right, and somehow twisted, I will again.

I completely understand the OP and why cman says what he does.
I understand what all have said in reply.
I know, trust, and love my Brother Haligan.....and I stand with him.
And Mike, I directed nothing at you....it's just a general statement.

Somewhere...somehow....we are going to have to find a way
to discuss politics between ourselves without the emotions flaring
and getting our panties all knotted up.
That alone gives our opponents a winning edge.....
and they don't even have to put forth a single grain of effort.

They just point at us .....and snicker.

goofy · 12-05-2012, 11:01 AM

I am not upset at all

I just asked for the facts behind the statements that are being made thats all.
When you get mad at a question that shows that you are afraid of the question.
As for my statement to leave if you don't like it. Too bad I don't like someone saying F this country.
You are tired of what is happening they try to change it if not then leave or deal with it.
It is really that simple.
Whining about something is a waste of time.
I never said that I was upset or mad.You have a right to feel the way you do.
I really wish people would stop starting fights I asked the question because I HAVE LOOKED UP THIS AND FOUND NOTHING THAT CAN BE PROVEN IN COURT.
So I was hopeing that if there was solid facts That something could be done but as always it only brought on BS.
I did expect the reaction I got from some of you because that is the way you handle things like this.
Thank you for the intelligent answers i did get. I would like to know why others who have this info. (like the Republican leaders) if it is true do nothing about it.THAT IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION IT WAS NOT TO SAY YOU ARE WRONG.But to try to understand.But you can not see past your hate to see that.
Mike
I just wanted to know why nothing is done if what is being said is true.If all that I read and herd is true then WHY?

bustedmp · 12-05-2012, 11:18 AM

The republicans dropped the ball early in the game. I had 17 different people knock on my door trying to convince me to vote for Osama, not a single person for Romney. I had loads of flyers for Osama, very few for Romney. To me, it seems the republicans sat back and figured everything would work out in the end, and it sure did. While it sickens me that they know the popular vote numbers, but still use an antiquated system to determine who wins. Things need to change, but I don't think sitting on your ass is the answer to that. We need a proper voter ID system, and stiffer penalties for fruadulent voting attempts and persons standing outside polling places trying to pressure your vote.

I had a woman knock on my door telling me how osama was going to make our streets safer by taking guns off the streets. At that point I politely told her she is at the wrong house by telling my he is going to take away my guns. I really don't like anyone telling me how I should feel about things, I would rather be given the information so i can make my own choice.

Our votes still carry some weight, they still count directly for the house, senate, and our own state, county and local govrnments. Not voting isn't going to solve the problems. Voting alone will not solve them either, but we have got to start somewhere. Look at all the votes that weren't counted from our military over sees because they weren't received in time. The system we use needs a major overhaul. The results from election day shouldn't be counted and finalized the very same day as it is done, instead time should be taken to verify every single vote and check for signs of fraudulent voting. I also don't think poeple that are getting a free ride in this country should be allowed to vote. I could go on and on about this, but I will stop there bofore I hurt anyones feelings.

12-04-2012, 08:47 PM	#26
cheesewiz V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 279	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein- Just a thought ...

12-04-2012, 10:01 PM	#28
Redhand Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 621	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? YES!!! I will vote as often in each election process that I will have the opportunity. My vote can't be bought, I don't care how much money they pour into it. I will continue to vote once,twice,three times which is now a possibility given the results of the last Cluster. Hey thats a good description of it Cluster Buck voting. __________________ LAMH DERG EIRIN ABU

12-04-2012, 10:24 PM	#30
steve4102 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 2,760	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? I am 56 years old and I have never, never missed and election since I was 18. With the amount of voter fraud going on in this country I will not vote again. I'm sure my vote will be cast for a Socialist, most likely several times, but at least not by me. I'm done, F this country.

12-04-2012, 10:27 PM	#31
marlin795 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Calvary Chapel Bible College; Murrieta,CA Posts: 755	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? I'll vote till this country falls apart and it won't matter anymore. Got a while till then though. __________________ Native born Californian, adopted by the Great State Of Texas! PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!

12-04-2012, 11:29 PM	#36
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,428	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? The queen of section 8. you’re the beat of the underclass. A disease for which there is no cure. The queen of section 8! Have you no pride? Down in dirt with no dignity. You Hope each day to numb to see. Tell us what will you do, When your master is thru with you? They use your body, Cause your good for that. They love your fetus farm, that s a fact They toss you crumbs of their greed. Cause they profit from your seed. Down in dirt with no dignity. Your hope each day to numb to see. Tell us what will you do, When your master is thru with you? Never realize beneath what lies, Your meager life by which you slide. Trafficking in the human zoo, Is this the best that you can do? Down in dirt with no dignity Each day will pass too blind to see Tell us what will you do When your master is thru with you? __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

12-05-2012, 01:44 AM	#37
glens67 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Middleton, ID Contributor Posts: 956	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? It is very hard to compete with Chicago Politics, a biased media, and a low down lying dog. Again the republicans failed to attack, choosing to take the high road and not pressing the POS's (POTUS) failings. Some one should have outed the Bengazi scandal, (the point where Mit lost the election and the debate), pushed the Fast and Furious scandal, Pushed the Enron scandal, asked where all of the Bail out money went, and not allow them to push their distractions, War on Women, give me a break... I will always Vote __________________ The fish is rotting from the head down—all is not well at the top of the political hierarchy. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein There is nothing more dangerous than a fanatic moron. Many problems we face today are there because people who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Molon Labe μολὼν λαβέ A Deo victoria Glen

12-05-2012, 06:48 AM	#38
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,062	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? I have been reading this as it gets longer and longer. 1st to those of you that say F this country well then leave! 2nd to those who say the election was rigged(I am not saying you are wrong) Show us your FACTS If this was true why didn't any one do anything? Why did YOU not do something about it instead of bit$$ing on the computer? If the facts that you will show me are true then do something about it. Now I am sure I will hear ALLOT of excuses of why nothing can be done but they WILL ONLY BE EXCUSES! If you say you are not voting again then just hand in your guns, stop your whining,You are just handing away one of your rights why don't you just giveaway ALL of your rights. I see that things are going to get worse not only because of the government but also because of YOU! Stand up for your rights use them or lose them. By giving up you do not help. You only make things worse. And if you don't like it then change it. And if you don't try then don't bi***. Mike

12-05-2012, 06:54 AM	#39
GunHugger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SW PA Posts: 1,162	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order." When the ballot box is no longer trusted and fraud takes hold the only real answer is to resort to the bullet box. Today that's not going to happen. The jury box should be the next step but it can't be trusted either. We had voter ID here in PA in place for the last election. Weeks before the election a libtard judge said no. Our vote doesn't count and most people don't know or even care about it if they do. The Communist/Socialist have taken our country from us and set things up so they can keep it. Will I vote again? Right now I don't see any reason to bother but hopefully that will change. One thing is for sure...they are coming for us so called "domestic terrorist" next. History is a cycle of phases-from oppression, to rebellion, to struggling young nation, to strong independent country, to growing and strong central government and back to oppression once again. America is no different. We are now and have been for years at the strong central government phase of the cycle and rapidly heading for serious and increasing oppression. It will be a while before we see the wheel return to the rebellion phase giving birth to a new and struggling young nation again whose people really understand and cherish true freedom. __________________ . “There will be a revolution in this country!” “I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.” ~Barack Obama "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here." ~Captain John Parker, to his Minute Men on Lexington Green, April 19, 1775.

12-05-2012, 08:47 AM	#43
hobby_mesa V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 359	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? Personally I don't like being lumped in with a populace stupid enough to vote in the same mistakes over and over...rigged or not. I've heard that same old argument many times...if you don't vote you don't have no right to bitch. On the contrary, I could say something similar...9 years as USMC, serving my country, being involved in things that will bother me forever...if you haven't served at least as long as me, you've got not right to bitch. The argument makes no sense. Besides, I have a right not to be lumped in with the crowd if I so choose. It's my business if I do or not. If you "lose respect" or "won't listen" because, IN YOUR OPINION I don't have that right...then I have no time for you. Besides, the only people who know IF I voted and for who are generally my wife and mother. It's only my business and you have no business judging me or trying to FORCE me into doing what YOU BELIEVE is the right thing. If you treat me unpleasantly because I choose not to exercise a right, seems to me you're forgetting the bigger picture of what men served and died for.

12-05-2012, 08:52 AM	#44
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,428	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? JUST WAIT A COTTON PICKING MIN. GEE I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO LEAVE THIS COUNTY CAUSE I SAID F THIS COUNTRY CAUSE I AM UPSET WITH THE FRAUD IN THIS COUNTRY. GEE NO ONE HAS THE MIND TO TELL THE HEAD UNDOCUMENTED WORKER IN THE WH TO LEAVE? ITS OK FOR ME TO LEAVE BUT NOT HIM? OK __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

12-05-2012, 09:07 AM	#45
Snakedriver Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SW. Florida Posts: 1,219	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? Cycloneman, like you I'm very frustrated with the whole voting process. I've voted in every election since I became eligible vote. I always had absolute faith that the American people would do what was right for America. I'm not so sure anymore. It seems that we have a new majority of people that are bent on destroying America. I find it extremely hard to believe that with the last 4 years of remarkable failure by a corrupt President who makes Jimmy Carter look far competent, the Romney-Ryan ticket received some 3 million less votes than did the McCain-Palin ticket in 2008. REALLY???? You've got to be kidding!!! With the horrible disrespect given shown by the Obama Administration for everything Israel, the majority American Jews still voted for Obama. Really? With all the disrespect given to the Catholic Church by the Obama Administration through Obomacare, vast numbers of faithful Catholics still voted for Obama. Really? Through all of his Muslim sympathy and disrespect for everything about the prayer and the Christian faith, Evangelicals failed to show up on Election Day or went ahead and voted for Obama. Really? So many people who manage a family budget and are forced to live within their means by not spending more than they make disregarded the crushing amount of irresponsible overspending and debt added by the Obama Administration by voting for him anyway. Really? Despite all the evidence that voter fraud is rampant throughout the Country, Democrats continue to fight any efforts to pass Voter I.D. Laws that will insure 1 legitimate vote for each person and nothing more. Really? The Romney-Ryan ticket was comprised of two smart guys who had a plan to save America, where the incumbent ticket was comprised of an inexperience buffoon and loose-tongued clown, yet a majority of Americans selected the two idiots. REALLY????? Yes, I’m seriously questioning whether voting means anything anymore. Will I continue to vote, probably, but my faith in the system has been shaken to its very foundation and is failing. I know one thing; we’re going to quit killing ourselves to be a success. We’ll do what we need to survive, but being a productive member of society, so that others can have what you have worked hard to get has a very bad taste now. Why would we do it? __________________ Fear is a reaction..........Courage is a decision Last edited by Snakedriver; 12-05-2012 at 09:11 AM..

12-05-2012, 09:09 AM	#46
btown V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 252	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? I suggest checking out the Tea Party. You can find out more at www.tea party.org . I am going to paraphrase something Dick Armey said several years ago " There will always be amongst us those with Revolutionary War blood in their veins."

12-05-2012, 09:13 AM	#47
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,428	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? The guy with a fake Birth cert, fake SSI numbers, numerous names, sealed records, who brought us fast and furoius, who defened illegals, who has the worst economy ever, high unemployment, offended everyone, gets a second term. F me. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

12-05-2012, 09:18 AM	#48
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,772	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? One of the greatest achievements of the anti-gun, socialistic, selfish liberals is they have caused us to argue between ourselves and divide us from within. Each time I hear someone calling for 'facts' and/or proof, and the truth arrives, it somehow gets poo-pooed. Gunhugger gave some clear and recent fact, and only scratched the surface. There is so much more. The truth is available to us all, and has been for decades. Quit asking 'others' to provide it, and go find it on your own. For me, there has been many times I've contemplated NOT voting in the last couple of decades. I always go vote anyway. Even when it makes me sick to my stomach. I have no faith that my vote counts, but I go because I have the right, and somehow twisted, I will again. I completely understand the OP and why cman says what he does. I understand what all have said in reply. I know, trust, and love my Brother Haligan.....and I stand with him. And Mike, I directed nothing at you....it's just a general statement. Somewhere...somehow....we are going to have to find a way to discuss politics between ourselves without the emotions flaring and getting our panties all knotted up. That alone gives our opponents a winning edge..... and they don't even have to put forth a single grain of effort. They just point at us .....and snicker. __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD-

12-05-2012, 11:01 AM	#49
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,062	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? I am not upset at all I just asked for the facts behind the statements that are being made thats all. When you get mad at a question that shows that you are afraid of the question. As for my statement to leave if you don't like it. Too bad I don't like someone saying F this country. You are tired of what is happening they try to change it if not then leave or deal with it. It is really that simple. Whining about something is a waste of time. I never said that I was upset or mad.You have a right to feel the way you do. I really wish people would stop starting fights I asked the question because I HAVE LOOKED UP THIS AND FOUND NOTHING THAT CAN BE PROVEN IN COURT. So I was hopeing that if there was solid facts That something could be done but as always it only brought on BS. I did expect the reaction I got from some of you because that is the way you handle things like this. Thank you for the intelligent answers i did get. I would like to know why others who have this info. (like the Republican leaders) if it is true do nothing about it.THAT IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION IT WAS NOT TO SAY YOU ARE WRONG.But to try to understand.But you can not see past your hate to see that. Mike I just wanted to know why nothing is done if what is being said is true.If all that I read and herd is true then WHY? Last edited by goofy; 12-05-2012 at 11:16 AM..

12-05-2012, 11:18 AM	#50
bustedmp V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Shamokin PA. Posts: 157	Re: Are you ever gona vote again? The republicans dropped the ball early in the game. I had 17 different people knock on my door trying to convince me to vote for Osama, not a single person for Romney. I had loads of flyers for Osama, very few for Romney. To me, it seems the republicans sat back and figured everything would work out in the end, and it sure did. While it sickens me that they know the popular vote numbers, but still use an antiquated system to determine who wins. Things need to change, but I don't think sitting on your ass is the answer to that. We need a proper voter ID system, and stiffer penalties for fruadulent voting attempts and persons standing outside polling places trying to pressure your vote. I had a woman knock on my door telling me how osama was going to make our streets safer by taking guns off the streets. At that point I politely told her she is at the wrong house by telling my he is going to take away my guns. I really don't like anyone telling me how I should feel about things, I would rather be given the information so i can make my own choice. Our votes still carry some weight, they still count directly for the house, senate, and our own state, county and local govrnments. Not voting isn't going to solve the problems. Voting alone will not solve them either, but we have got to start somewhere. Look at all the votes that weren't counted from our military over sees because they weren't received in time. The system we use needs a major overhaul. The results from election day shouldn't be counted and finalized the very same day as it is done, instead time should be taken to verify every single vote and check for signs of fraudulent voting. I also don't think poeple that are getting a free ride in this country should be allowed to vote. I could go on and on about this, but I will stop there bofore I hurt anyones feelings.