Found ammo - The Firearms Forum

hstout1143 · 12-05-2012, 06:09 PM

I was going through some of my father-in-laws ammo cans and found this ammo. I'm not sure what it is and don't want to open the box to find out. Can someone tell what kind of ammo it is. My best guess would be 30-06, but I'm not positive.

Alpo · 12-05-2012, 06:21 PM

30/06 is correct. M2 ball is 150 grain FMJ. You'll find a little info here, down near the bottom under US Military Cartridge Types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield

hstout1143 · 12-05-2012, 06:34 PM

Thank you Alpo.

JLA · 12-05-2012, 07:56 PM

Shoot yeah thats M2 ball and it should be in LC brass. Great stuff for feeding M1 Garands or 03 springfields.

Got anymore you wanna get rid of? I need to buy about a case of that stuff..

hstout1143 · 12-05-2012, 08:02 PM

I only have 5 boxes of this ammo, we take the garand out every now and then, it's fun to shoot. Once I get my garage rearranged and start reloading (I did quite a bit today) I'll need to hit you guys up about reloading for the garand, I understand modern 30-06 ammo will damage the gas tube or something like that.

JLA · 12-05-2012, 08:07 PM

Yep. Its actually the slow powders that are normally found in modern .30-06 ammo. The garand was designed for medium speed propellants, IMR4895 to be exact. M2 ball duplicates are 150 gr FMJ over 50 gr IMR4895. I use 155 gr Amaxes over 48 gr VARGET. same velocity, better ballistics. 200 yds is easy with the Garand sights and good ammo.

Alpo · 12-06-2012, 12:28 AM

Something to be aware of. That ammo is corrosive primed.

http://www.odcmp.org/1101/USGI.pdf

Denver Ordnance was only made during WW2 and it is all corrosive.

bluesea112 · 12-07-2012, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpo

Something to be aware of. That ammo is corrosive primed.

http://www.odcmp.org/1101/USGI.pdf

Denver Ordnance was only made during WW2 and it is all corrosive.

Additionally, the primer chemical is only soluble in water; not oil or solvent. You have to wash it out of the barrel with very hot water. After running water through the barrel, immediately run a cleaning patch with oil to keep the barrel from rusting.

Alpo · 12-07-2012, 12:54 AM

I'd be less worried about the barrel than about the gas cylinder (he mentions shooting a Garand).

Yes, the war was fought with M1s and corrosive ammo. And when the gas cylinder was so corroded up it was unusable, they gave you a new gun and that one went to the arsenal for repair. I don't think that would happen with my Garand. So I'll shoot corrosive in my ought-three, but not my M1.

hstout1143 · 12-07-2012, 12:55 AM

I think there was only one box from Denver, I have several from St. Louis and from what I saw on the website they aren't corrosive. It seems like a big hassle to shoot them and then have to heat water to clean the barrel.

gunboat · 12-07-2012, 01:14 AM

With exceptions, all 30/06 GI ammo dated before 1953 is corrosive --

RAJBCPA · 12-07-2012, 01:25 AM

What is the warning about disposal of emptied cases about?

Alpo · 12-07-2012, 07:40 AM

I believe that is for use on the range. Don't leave your brass lying around - dispose of it in accordance with army regs. If they didn't make 'em police their brass, there would be a huge amount of it lying around the ranges.

12-05-2012, 06:09 PM	#1
hstout1143 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Contributor Posts: 1,738	Found ammo I was going through some of my father-in-laws ammo cans and found this ammo. I'm not sure what it is and don't want to open the box to find out. Can someone tell what kind of ammo it is. My best guess would be 30-06, but I'm not positive. __________________ NRA Life Member Kids that hunt and fish don't mug old ladies. "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan "Deo Duce, Ferro Comitante", With God as my leader and my sword as my companion --> Last edited by hstout1143; 04-22-2013 at 10:38 PM..

12-05-2012, 06:21 PM	#2
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: Found ammo 30/06 is correct. M2 ball is 150 grain FMJ. You'll find a little info here, down near the bottom under US Military Cartridge Types. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

12-05-2012, 06:34 PM	#3
hstout1143 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Contributor Posts: 1,738	Re: Found ammo Thank you Alpo. __________________ NRA Life Member Kids that hunt and fish don't mug old ladies. "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan "Deo Duce, Ferro Comitante", With God as my leader and my sword as my companion

12-05-2012, 07:56 PM	#4
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,317	Re: Found ammo Shoot yeah thats M2 ball and it should be in LC brass. Great stuff for feeding M1 Garands or 03 springfields. Got anymore you wanna get rid of? I need to buy about a case of that stuff.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-05-2012, 08:02 PM	#5
hstout1143 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Contributor Posts: 1,738	Re: Found ammo I only have 5 boxes of this ammo, we take the garand out every now and then, it's fun to shoot. Once I get my garage rearranged and start reloading (I did quite a bit today) I'll need to hit you guys up about reloading for the garand, I understand modern 30-06 ammo will damage the gas tube or something like that. __________________ NRA Life Member Kids that hunt and fish don't mug old ladies. "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan "Deo Duce, Ferro Comitante", With God as my leader and my sword as my companion

12-05-2012, 08:07 PM	#6
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,317	Re: Found ammo Yep. Its actually the slow powders that are normally found in modern .30-06 ammo. The garand was designed for medium speed propellants, IMR4895 to be exact. M2 ball duplicates are 150 gr FMJ over 50 gr IMR4895. I use 155 gr Amaxes over 48 gr VARGET. same velocity, better ballistics. 200 yds is easy with the Garand sights and good ammo. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-06-2012, 12:28 AM	#7
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: Found ammo Something to be aware of. That ammo is corrosive primed. http://www.odcmp.org/1101/USGI.pdf Denver Ordnance was only made during WW2 and it is all corrosive. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

12-07-2012, 12:54 AM	#9
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: Found ammo I'd be less worried about the barrel than about the gas cylinder (he mentions shooting a Garand). Yes, the war was fought with M1s and corrosive ammo. And when the gas cylinder was so corroded up it was unusable, they gave you a new gun and that one went to the arsenal for repair. I don't think that would happen with my Garand. So I'll shoot corrosive in my ought-three, but not my M1. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

12-07-2012, 12:55 AM	#10
hstout1143 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Contributor Posts: 1,738	Re: Found ammo I think there was only one box from Denver, I have several from St. Louis and from what I saw on the website they aren't corrosive. It seems like a big hassle to shoot them and then have to heat water to clean the barrel. __________________ NRA Life Member Kids that hunt and fish don't mug old ladies. "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan "Deo Duce, Ferro Comitante", With God as my leader and my sword as my companion

12-07-2012, 01:14 AM	#11
gunboat V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Josie Posts: 95	Re: Found ammo With exceptions, all 30/06 GI ammo dated before 1953 is corrosive --

12-07-2012, 01:25 AM	#12
RAJBCPA V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 319	Re: Found ammo What is the warning about disposal of emptied cases about?

12-07-2012, 07:40 AM	#13
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: Found ammo I believe that is for use on the range. Don't leave your brass lying around - dispose of it in accordance with army regs. If they didn't make 'em police their brass, there would be a huge amount of it lying around the ranges. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.