Identify this Civil War Cavalry Carbine - The Firearms Forum

SCTiger · 04-28-2004, 11:50 AM

Freinds:

I found this reference in some records about the Augusta Arsenal,
CAN anyone tell me what a M i j rifle is?

Page 20, July 19 1862.
Entry #21

Invoice of ordnance stores turned over by Jno U Ansley M & K to
Col F. W. Hunter Bluff Springs Ala

No 55
Marks Col. F W Hunter Bluff Springs Ala

Contents

6 minnie rifle muskets
3 Carbines with bayonets
1 M i j Rifle
19 Double Barreled Shotguns
26 Cavalry Equipments

All of the equipment went to the 2nd Alabama Cavalry at Bluff Springs Ala.

Any help would be appreciated

Greg Deese

Shooter45 · 04-28-2004, 12:26 PM

I did a Google search and all I saw was your post on another forum. lol.

Maybe someone else can help you.

BTW, WELCOME TO TFF.

inplanotx · 04-28-2004, 01:25 PM

Sorry I can't help either, but someone will be along shortly. A big Texas howdy to y'all and welcome to our humble home. Hope you will stay with us and enjoy it as much as we do.

Could it be Made In Japan Rifle??

SCTiger · 04-28-2004, 02:34 PM

Guesses so far have been a Madesen-Jensen or a Minie Jaeger, I thought this firearm forum could help

I don't think it was Made in Japan, if so we will have to change history. Anyways it just bugs me, I get obsessed about little details like this.

Thanks

Greg Deese

tuckerd1 · 04-28-2004, 02:50 PM

SCTiger, I see you are from Augusta. There's a damn good smith over there by you in Jackson, SC. Al Dichiara - ACE Systems. Does smithing at his home and at the Savannah River Plant.

SCTiger · 04-28-2004, 02:53 PM

Everyone can use a good gunsmith, thanks! Now where can I purchase a good M-1 carbine for WII reenacting?

Greg Deese

tuckerd1 · 04-28-2004, 03:00 PM

Can't help with the M-1. But I bet someone around here can.

They'll figure out this civil war rifle before they quit.

Marlin · 04-28-2004, 04:10 PM

Glad to see you here at TFF, SCTiger.

Hope you will hang around and join the fun.

Xracer · 04-29-2004, 09:32 AM

Hi Tiger.....welcome to TFF.

Closest I can find (in Flayderman's) in the Confederate Longarms section:

Mendenhall, Jones & Gardner Contract Rifle...styled after the U.S. Model 1841....made under contract for the state of North Carolina. Marked on the lockplate "M.J.&G./NC"

There's also a "Morse Inside Lock Musket" made by George W. Morse, Greenville, SC in 1864.

Those are the only ones I could find that might be referred to as "M i j".......however the CSA used a lot of captured U.S. firearms, and purchased a whole bunch of European arms also, so, who knows??????

SCTiger · 04-29-2004, 12:20 PM

Only one was issued and I have often wondered about the poor sap that received that weapon, did he get his ammo? If it was a Morse Carbine it would seem rather early for that weapon (1862), the Mendenhall , Jones sounds like a better bet.

Thanks for all of the help. If I find any more period references I will keep you posted. I may look in the old reference books.

Greg Deese

dvl · 02-22-2005, 10:15 PM

Iver-Johnson?

astute observer · 06-04-2005, 09:37 AM

The Mendenhall, Jones & Gardner sounds very likely. It's unlikely anyone will ever know for sure.

buffalo jump · 06-07-2005, 08:14 AM

Try a gun show, that would be the best bet. That's where I found mine.

04-28-2004, 11:50 AM	#1
SCTiger Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Augusta, Georgia Posts: 7	Identify this Civil War Cavalry Carbine Freinds: I found this reference in some records about the Augusta Arsenal, CAN anyone tell me what a M i j rifle is? Page 20, July 19 1862. Entry #21 Invoice of ordnance stores turned over by Jno U Ansley M & K to Col F. W. Hunter Bluff Springs Ala No 55 Marks Col. F W Hunter Bluff Springs Ala Contents 6 minnie rifle muskets 3 Carbines with bayonets 1 M i j Rifle 19 Double Barreled Shotguns 26 Cavalry Equipments All of the equipment went to the 2nd Alabama Cavalry at Bluff Springs Ala. Any help would be appreciated Greg Deese -->

04-28-2004, 01:25 PM	#3
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Sorry I can't help either, but someone will be along shortly. A big Texas howdy to y'all and welcome to our humble home. Hope you will stay with us and enjoy it as much as we do. Could it be Made In Japan Rifle?? __________________ Last edited by inplanotx; 04-28-2004 at 01:26 PM..

04-28-2004, 02:34 PM	#4
SCTiger Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Augusta, Georgia Posts: 7	Thanks for the welcome Guesses so far have been a Madesen-Jensen or a Minie Jaeger, I thought this firearm forum could help I don't think it was Made in Japan, if so we will have to change history. Anyways it just bugs me, I get obsessed about little details like this. Thanks Greg Deese

04-28-2004, 02:53 PM	#6
SCTiger Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Augusta, Georgia Posts: 7	Thank You Everyone can use a good gunsmith, thanks! Now where can I purchase a good M-1 carbine for WII reenacting? Greg Deese

04-28-2004, 04:10 PM	#8
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Glad to see you here at TFF, SCTiger. Hope you will hang around and join the fun. Attached Images __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

04-28-2004, 12:26 PM	#2
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,753	I did a Google search and all I saw was your post on another forum. lol. Maybe someone else can help you. BTW, WELCOME TO TFF.

04-28-2004, 02:50 PM	#5
tuckerd1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Paint Rock Valley, Alabama Posts: 3,147	SCTiger, I see you are from Augusta. There's a damn good smith over there by you in Jackson, SC. Al Dichiara - ACE Systems. Does smithing at his home and at the Savannah River Plant.

04-28-2004, 03:00 PM	#7
tuckerd1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Paint Rock Valley, Alabama Posts: 3,147	Can't help with the M-1. But I bet someone around here can. They'll figure out this civil war rifle before they quit.

04-29-2004, 09:32 AM	#9
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Hi Tiger.....welcome to TFF. Closest I can find (in Flayderman's) in the Confederate Longarms section: Mendenhall, Jones & Gardner Contract Rifle...styled after the U.S. Model 1841....made under contract for the state of North Carolina. Marked on the lockplate "M.J.&G./NC" There's also a "Morse Inside Lock Musket" made by George W. Morse, Greenville, SC in 1864. Those are the only ones I could find that might be referred to as "M i j".......however the CSA used a lot of captured U.S. firearms, and purchased a whole bunch of European arms also, so, who knows??????

04-29-2004, 12:20 PM	#10
SCTiger Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Augusta, Georgia Posts: 7	Thanks for the info! Only one was issued and I have often wondered about the poor sap that received that weapon, did he get his ammo? If it was a Morse Carbine it would seem rather early for that weapon (1862), the Mendenhall , Jones sounds like a better bet. Thanks for all of the help. If I find any more period references I will keep you posted. I may look in the old reference books. Greg Deese

02-22-2005, 10:15 PM	#11
dvl V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nantucket Island Posts: 177	Re: Thanks for the info! Iver-Johnson?

06-04-2005, 09:37 AM	#12
astute observer Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 46	Re: Identify this Civil War Cavalry Carbine The Mendenhall, Jones & Gardner sounds very likely. It's unlikely anyone will ever know for sure.

06-07-2005, 08:14 AM	#13
buffalo jump V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: pensacola, fl. , escambia county Posts: 496	Re: Thank You Try a gun show, that would be the best bet. That's where I found mine.