Quick question

[offeror]

I'd like to start this here where more eyeballs are looking. You can move it over if you want.

I only have a C&R so I don't get most of the catalogs. What will a .45-70 Guide gun in stainless cost me if I can find a decent deal? The gun magazine retail prices are pretty useless for this kind of reality pricing. I'd go with new or near new.

Also, is there any cased .45-70 ammo? I don't prefer to shoot plain lead into my air space (or clean it out of my barrels).

[Pabooger]

Id check with Aglore Im sure he could answer the price question, and give ya a great deal as well.

Heres some info that might be helpful.

Review By: Bill Graham aka the Graybeard Review Posted on: Sat, Jan 05, 2002
Manufactured by: Buffalo Bore Ammunition Co.
Product Reviewed: Buffalo Bore .45-70 Ammo
Review Status: tc
Description of Product
Buffalo Bore .45-70 Ammo

1. 500 grain FMJFN at 1625 fps
2. 430 grain LFN-GC at 1925 fps
3. 405 grain JFN at 2000 fps
4. 350 grain JFN at 2150 fps



As part of the testing regiment for the Browning Black Powder
Cartridge Rifle in .45-70 I asked Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore
to send me some of his .45-70 ammo for testing. This ammo is
really intended for use in .45-70 Lever Action Rifles
primarily and is so head stamped with the words "Lever Gun".
Still from experience I've found that if you want the best
you can depend on Tim and Buffalo Bore to deliver. This ammo
was no exception. It is a bit pricey but then what isn't when
you are buying premium quality? You get what you pay for.

I was provided with samples of four different .45-70 loads.
Those being:

1. 500 grain FMJFN at 1625 fps
2. 430 grain LFN-GC at 1925 fps
3. 405 grain JFN at 2000 fps
4. 350 grain JFN at 2150 fps

In the shorter barrels of most lever guns I suspect those are
pretty close to the velocities you'll get. In the longer
barrel of the BPCR I got more.

Results obtained in my rifle in the order I fired them were
as follows:

1. 430 LFN-GC 2006fps with an SD of 9. Five shot groups at
100 yards went from a low of 1.5" to a single high at 2.2"
with all others under 2" except that one. I really liked that
load and highly recommend it to you.

2. 350 JFN 2215fps with an SD of again only 9 and that's for
10 shots across the chrono. Groups went from a best of 2.2"
to a worst of 3.3". My rifle really didn't like this one but
in fairness it just plain don't like light bullets and
anything below 400 grains usually does worse. Again these
were five shot groups in all cases.

3. 405 JFN 2011fps with an SD of 12. Have you noticed yet the
uniformity of these loads? Wish I could make hand loads that
uniform every time. Groups ran from 1.0" to 1.6" for five
shot groups at 100 yards as are all groups noted herein.

4. 500 FMJFN 1690fps with an SD of 19. Yeah this one will get
your attention when you pull the trigger. It do come back at
ya. Still for serious penetration on the toughest and largest
of game it should have no superior in the .45-70. It is a
hoss. Groups hovered in the 1 inch range with a spread from
0.95" to 1.2". I think it the most accurate of all in my
rifle which clearly was made to be shot with long and heavy
bullets. This is real close to the best accuracy this rifle
has turned in for me at 100 yards. I can match it with my
hand selected cast bullets in loads worked up just for the
rifle but really can't beat it by enough to even talk about.
It is a super load.

Once again as with all the other loads I've tested from
Buffalo Bore Tim has a winner in these. They are definitely
NOT meant for older or weaker guns. There is a warning
printed right on the box listing the guns for which they are
suitable. It pretty well covers all the modern and strong
actions whether lever gun or single shot.

These loads get the Graybeard Seal of Approval and a big
thumbs up from me. If the best is what you are looking for
then look no further.

Visit the Buffalo Bore Ammunition Website by clicking on the
name. Or you can reach them at:

[AlleninAlaska]

Roughly $459 dealer cost. Yes there is jacketed ammo available for the 45-70. The major manufactuerer's like Winchester, Federal and Remington make 405 grain and 300 grain jacketed bullet loads. The 405 grain loads are running about 1300 FPS and the 300 grain loads run about 1880 FPS. These velocities are from barrels that are more than likely 24" or so in length. These loads are also suitable for 1873 Trapdoor rifles as they are kept to very low pressures.

[Xracer]

In the "nearly new" category, the Blue Book says:

Model 1895GS (Stainless Steel):

MSR - $744
100% - $565
98% - $410
95% - $280

[merc]

If you can find one under 300 you should get it.
I just bought one about a year ago. Just under 400 and that was a bargain.
I see them all the time from 450 - 500.
By the way-they are a blast to shoot.