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Smokin Guns · 03-06-2003, 08:20 PM

goldpan
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I have always had a 22 around the house since I was a kid but always seemed to shoot bigger guns. Now that I am older I have come to the realism that shooting 22's are down right FUN! Plus the kids can shoot the guns with me. My girlfriend like's the plinking as well and they are very cheep to shoot.It cant be beat. SOOO lets talk ammo. Are some brands better then others and some to stay away from all together. Whats best in hand gun/rifle. Does the lead nose stuff fowl the barrel and should I only use copper jacket rounds. I have used CCI Stingers in my 10/22 and ruger single six but now I have a new bolt action and want to know about accurate rounds.
Try to keep it to the cheaper rounds not that 6.99 a box of 50 stuff.
1 Rifle rounds
2 Hand gun rounds
3 Accurate
4 HP or Round nose
5 Cheap
Thanks for any advise and good shooting

Tac401
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I like Winchester Super-X, very accurate!
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LIKTOSHOOT
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(10/3/01 7:29:40 am)
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Very hard question to answer. Since they can`t be reloaded, they become the deciding factor.......no matter how good of a rifle you have. I have two identical rifles, bolt guns; one shoots CCI`s very well......the other one places them randomly, much like a shot gun pattern. I would buy a boatload of different styles and manufacture`s, then go to the range armed with cleaning equipment and start the testing. As Tac stated above, Winchester Super X is a good rimfire and I only use them in my early made .22`s.....because they like them, my other`s will not shoot them worth a flip.

You have several different bullet styles:

Trunicated
Round Nose
Hollow Point

Once I have found a style and maker that works, depending on the rifle and how much use it will receive. I purchase anywhere from 5,000-10,000 rounds for it and store them, then just by that same round as needed.......that way just incase they are discontinued or I can`t find them locally, I have a stash to fall back on. They are so cheap, there`s no reason not to. Regards LTS
America, we are the symbol of Freedom and Liberty......

10-07-2005, 10:28 AM

Hi Guys,
As someone else says different rounds work with varying degrees of success in different firearms.
Some rifles have a match chamber and some of the minimag types of ammo damage the top end of the chamber. Take care.
One round that i have found to be very accurate in most of my rifles is the Winchester Power point. The box is marked X22LRPP. The solid point types marked X22LR are also extremely good.
This all presumes that you don't want to break the bank in buying Lapua or Eley stuff.
Many manufacturers have problems with quality control and this is evident in the final rounds that vary tremendously in weight. Pulling rounds apart that are in extreme weight difference deveals that not only is the powder charge different but the bullet heads vary in weight as well. No wonder they lack accuracy. Some serious target shooters pre weigh their individual rounds and select those rounds that weigh the same. Many of the "out of spec weight" rounds account for the fliers we shoot.
With Remington Target rounds I found thatonly 18 round in a box of 50 weighed the same. The rest varied all over the map. This stuff was far from Target quality. It would be interesting to take different Manufacturers ammo and classify by weight individual rounds in a box of 50. It would take a little work but would be revealing and would clarify whose ammo we should avoid.
There must be some sort of problem with the manufacturing machinery in that it has become worn with time or it just need a good service. Initially the new Winchester ammo was being made in Australia. but where it is made now I don't know.
The wax lubrication on the bullet is a special formulated stuff and is often a proprietary secret of the manufacturing company. I have seen top target shooters clean the wax off of their rounds and replace it with their own concoction. One I know of uses a mixture of Lanolin lube and Hoppes #9. The shooter had a small sponge Pad of the stuff and would rub each round in the gunk for every shot. The shooters scores were very impressive .
Another problem that can occur is that the lead bullet can leave a deposit of lead in the leade or just at the end of the chamber . This small deposit causes a loss in accuracy. For this reason I clean out the barrel after every 50 rounds when I'm target shooting.(if I want top accuracy). The clean out is merely a pull through and a nylon bristle brush with #9 in the chamber area and then a dry out. Before shooting again I have to fire about 5 rounds to 'relube the barrel" for that particular round. Incidentally, changing ammo without a cleanout will not reveal anything as different manufacturers use different lube.
Once a year in the Spring before I start shooting I clean the barrel well and then polish the bore with a product called FLITZ" which can be obtained from hardware stores. Flitz will not wear away your bore but it sure gets rid of a lot of microscopic lead ,copper and powder fouling . The results are evident in that it takes fewer rounds to be fired before the barrel is lubed and accuracy reaches it's peak.
I hope some of this will be of benefit. At the very least it will provide food for thought.
Jim

LIKTOSHOOT · 10-07-2005, 10:53 AM

Hey-Hey!! FLITZ.....I have been using this on rimfires for over ten years, keep it quite!!

BTW
WELCOME!

LTS

10-07-2005, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIKTOSHOOT

Hey-Hey!! FLITZ.....I have been using this on rimfires for over ten years, keep it quite!!

BTW
WELCOME!

LTS

Hi Like to Shoot,
Well, it's good to know that there are some other riflemen out there.
Jim

inplanotx · 10-07-2005, 01:45 PM

I've always used JB bore paste and kriol!

Bill · 10-07-2005, 04:33 PM

I agree .22's are fun guns to shoot and ammo is inexpensive. CCI Blazers do it for me. Sub MOA accuracy at 50 yds with my 10/22T. Beats everything else that I've tried in the gun so far. Cheap too !!

moontroll · 10-08-2005, 11:04 AM

For bulk stuff it would be cci blazzers or winchester dynapoints.For the real thing it would be Federal game shoks hollow points, Winchester power points, CCI velocitors or minii mags,but the best if your gun likes them is the ely high velocity hollow points,Im a hunter so thats all I look at.

moontroll · 10-08-2005, 11:11 AM

My Browning BL-22 with eley high velocity hollow points at 60 yards.

discount the two upper holes they were a test at 125 yards,the main group was .338.Buy a box and see what they will do for you.

03-06-2003, 08:20 PM	#1
Smokin Guns Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: "Gun Culture Members Clubhouse"... Posts: 4,463	Lets talk ammo goldpan Member Posts: 3 (10/2/01 3:28:12 pm) Reply Lets talk ammo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have always had a 22 around the house since I was a kid but always seemed to shoot bigger guns. Now that I am older I have come to the realism that shooting 22's are down right FUN! Plus the kids can shoot the guns with me. My girlfriend like's the plinking as well and they are very cheep to shoot.It cant be beat. SOOO lets talk ammo. Are some brands better then others and some to stay away from all together. Whats best in hand gun/rifle. Does the lead nose stuff fowl the barrel and should I only use copper jacket rounds. I have used CCI Stingers in my 10/22 and ruger single six but now I have a new bolt action and want to know about accurate rounds. Try to keep it to the cheaper rounds not that 6.99 a box of 50 stuff. 1 Rifle rounds 2 Hand gun rounds 3 Accurate 4 HP or Round nose 5 Cheap Thanks for any advise and good shooting Tac401 Administrator Posts: 2346 (10/3/01 12:40:50 am) Reply ezSupporter Re: Lets talk ammo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I like Winchester Super-X, very accurate! The Firearms Forum Vietnam Memories Bulletin Board Contact Administrator LIKTOSHOOT Senior Chief Moderator Staff Posts: 2469 (10/3/01 7:29:40 am) Reply Re: Lets talk ammo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very hard question to answer. Since they can`t be reloaded, they become the deciding factor.......no matter how good of a rifle you have. I have two identical rifles, bolt guns; one shoots CCI`s very well......the other one places them randomly, much like a shot gun pattern. I would buy a boatload of different styles and manufacture`s, then go to the range armed with cleaning equipment and start the testing. As Tac stated above, Winchester Super X is a good rimfire and I only use them in my early made .22`s.....because they like them, my other`s will not shoot them worth a flip. You have several different bullet styles: Trunicated Round Nose Hollow Point Once I have found a style and maker that works, depending on the rifle and how much use it will receive. I purchase anywhere from 5,000-10,000 rounds for it and store them, then just by that same round as needed.......that way just incase they are discontinued or I can`t find them locally, I have a stash to fall back on. They are so cheap, there`s no reason not to. Regards LTS America, we are the symbol of Freedom and Liberty...... -->

10-07-2005, 10:28 AM	#2
Jim Bell Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	Re: Lets talk ammo Hi Guys, As someone else says different rounds work with varying degrees of success in different firearms. Some rifles have a match chamber and some of the minimag types of ammo damage the top end of the chamber. Take care. One round that i have found to be very accurate in most of my rifles is the Winchester Power point. The box is marked X22LRPP. The solid point types marked X22LR are also extremely good. This all presumes that you don't want to break the bank in buying Lapua or Eley stuff. Many manufacturers have problems with quality control and this is evident in the final rounds that vary tremendously in weight. Pulling rounds apart that are in extreme weight difference deveals that not only is the powder charge different but the bullet heads vary in weight as well. No wonder they lack accuracy. Some serious target shooters pre weigh their individual rounds and select those rounds that weigh the same. Many of the "out of spec weight" rounds account for the fliers we shoot. With Remington Target rounds I found thatonly 18 round in a box of 50 weighed the same. The rest varied all over the map. This stuff was far from Target quality. It would be interesting to take different Manufacturers ammo and classify by weight individual rounds in a box of 50. It would take a little work but would be revealing and would clarify whose ammo we should avoid. There must be some sort of problem with the manufacturing machinery in that it has become worn with time or it just need a good service. Initially the new Winchester ammo was being made in Australia. but where it is made now I don't know. The wax lubrication on the bullet is a special formulated stuff and is often a proprietary secret of the manufacturing company. I have seen top target shooters clean the wax off of their rounds and replace it with their own concoction. One I know of uses a mixture of Lanolin lube and Hoppes #9. The shooter had a small sponge Pad of the stuff and would rub each round in the gunk for every shot. The shooters scores were very impressive . Another problem that can occur is that the lead bullet can leave a deposit of lead in the leade or just at the end of the chamber . This small deposit causes a loss in accuracy. For this reason I clean out the barrel after every 50 rounds when I'm target shooting.(if I want top accuracy). The clean out is merely a pull through and a nylon bristle brush with #9 in the chamber area and then a dry out. Before shooting again I have to fire about 5 rounds to 'relube the barrel" for that particular round. Incidentally, changing ammo without a cleanout will not reveal anything as different manufacturers use different lube. Once a year in the Spring before I start shooting I clean the barrel well and then polish the bore with a product called FLITZ" which can be obtained from hardware stores. Flitz will not wear away your bore but it sure gets rid of a lot of microscopic lead ,copper and powder fouling . The results are evident in that it takes fewer rounds to be fired before the barrel is lubed and accuracy reaches it's peak. I hope some of this will be of benefit. At the very least it will provide food for thought. Jim

10-07-2005, 10:53 AM	#3
LIKTOSHOOT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,367	Re: Lets talk ammo Hey-Hey!! FLITZ.....I have been using this on rimfires for over ten years, keep it quite!! BTW WELCOME! LTS

10-07-2005, 01:45 PM	#5
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: Lets talk ammo I've always used JB bore paste and kriol! __________________

10-07-2005, 04:33 PM	#6
Bill V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 130	Re: Lets talk ammo I agree .22's are fun guns to shoot and ammo is inexpensive. CCI Blazers do it for me. Sub MOA accuracy at 50 yds with my 10/22T. Beats everything else that I've tried in the gun so far. Cheap too !!

10-08-2005, 11:04 AM	#7
moontroll Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7	Re: Lets talk ammo For bulk stuff it would be cci blazzers or winchester dynapoints.For the real thing it would be Federal game shoks hollow points, Winchester power points, CCI velocitors or minii mags,but the best if your gun likes them is the ely high velocity hollow points,Im a hunter so thats all I look at.

10-08-2005, 11:11 AM	#8
moontroll Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7	Re: Lets talk ammo My Browning BL-22 with eley high velocity hollow points at 60 yards. discount the two upper holes they were a test at 125 yards,the main group was .338.Buy a box and see what they will do for you. Last edited by moontroll; 10-08-2005 at 11:17 AM..