Home Defense Weapon of Choice - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

stash247 · 04-02-2005, 05:21 PM

Opinions are just that. Physics is different ;it's precise. There are 7000 grains in a pound; that makes a 7/8 oz "dove and Quail" load, in a 12 ga shotgun, the equivalent of a 383 grain bullet, with 71/2 shot giving no overpenetration. While I have seen one 6' 5" feller, full of chemistry, require two doses, He's the ONLY one! Most, solid torso hits, cannot find the ground fast enough, with just one. Nobody EVER needed three, so far as I know, centrally applied.
In a house, a mobile, move with the shotgun at 'High port' with a chambered round. Drop-point fire is, from there, an integrated motion, not three.
Better yet, really use it as a "Defensive weapon", dial 911, advise as to the situation, agree in advance on a "authentication" or word for the day, so you know when the good guy gets there, and fall back into a SERIOUS defensive position. Let all who approach know what follows, if they breach your door, and wait for the posse!
If you do it like the above, your only loss is property; otherwise, what the burglars don't get, the lawyers will!
Just my .02 Terry

delta13soultaker · 04-02-2005, 08:57 PM

Right on.

ROTCC · 05-09-2005, 05:32 PM

You are guilty of ASSUMING that you will get to the shotgun in time. The odds are that you won't. The way to go is a concealed handgun worn around the house at all times. While in the shower, it should be under your towel. When you are in bed, it should be either under your pillow or under the mattress corner by your head. It is impossible to both secure the shotgun and always have it in reach. The pistol is where it's at.

JohnK3 · 05-10-2005, 05:58 PM

ROTCC, you have a point, but the main thing to remember is that a handgun's main purpose in a gunfight is to allow you the ability to fight your way to a long gun.

Stash has it right in the last paragraph: Hole up in a defendable position, call for the cavalry and blow heck outta anybody that comes towards your position who isn't clearly on your side.

delta13soultaker · 05-10-2005, 08:01 PM

When my handgun is under my pillow, it makes the pillow lumpy; when my hangun is under the mattress corner it seems to snag on that elastic sheet thingy. I keep my handgun on the headboard. Do you think that's too far away? Or maybe it might slide away without me knowing, since my whole body ain't on top of it?

I say a person can invest a bit in a good home security set-up, that is layered and redundant (regular passive security stuff), so as to make his dwelling (first) a hard target and (second) provide ample warning of intrusion. With a little forethought a person does not need to necessarily have a "concealed handgun worn around the house at all times".

I know some people live in appts/complexes or similar dwelling types and their door literally opens into public domain, but for contemporary style housing there are millions of things that can be done to make the property safer. Just a few...

A 6 foot fence
Motion detector lights or good lighting in general
Clear all possible cover from property/deny concealment
Put alarm system stickers (buy on the net) on windows even if you don't have a system
Sturdy windows with reliable locks
Sturdy doors with reliable locks
Get a dog and make it obvious; a big one if possible
Even if you have no dog, put stuff in your yard for a really big one (doghouse, bowl, chew toy, beware of dog sign)

Keeping weapons ready in the home, especially while sleeping, is one thing; however, if even in a secured property you still need to be strapped at all times in your own house(it's like admitting your own living room is as unsecure as a downtown alley), then your number one aspiration in life should be to move up and move the hell away.

As for the rest, have a plan and fight with the tools you are confident with.

inplanotx · 05-10-2005, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROTCC

You are guilty of ASSUMING that you will get to the shotgun in time. The odds are that you won't. The way to go is a concealed handgun worn around the house at all times. While in the shower, it should be under your towel. When you are in bed, it should be either under your pillow or under the mattress corner by your head. It is impossible to both secure the shotgun and always have it in reach. The pistol is where it's at.

You are starting to sound real familiar to me. Seems you have been here before. May need to correct that real soon. Let me go check a few things. Be back soon!

Kasatka · 05-15-2005, 04:14 AM

I don't really care to get into a debate about it

but for the record I keep a Steyr M9 9mm with a loaded 14rd mag. Needless to say, I can and would hit the invader on first shot, but those extra 13rds make a great warning if he tries to do anything but a) remain on the floor in a passive position or b) dies.

delta13soultaker · 05-15-2005, 08:13 PM

Don't suppose you keep that 9mm "worn around the house at all times" do ya? j/k

Anyway, heck if you got 14 rds, why stop on the first shot. Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice, IMHO.

lkh · 08-14-2005, 12:05 AM

Why don't you use rubber bullet for shotgun in self-defense.It will just cause serious injury.Bullets may kill someone!

West · 08-14-2005, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heyabbott

I'm new here and I'm sure you've discussed this before but I would like to know what knowledgable people about guns would chose for a home defense firearm.

I'm looking for something reliable, doesn't need constant maintance but with stopping power.

I was thinking about some sort of pump action shotgun, maybe with a pistol grip. Hopefully the sound of the rack will scare some one off.

Thanks in advance.

AR-15 55 grain FMJ 30 round magazine, their could be more then one, this is probably the best round for personal made, in my opinion. The energy will disperse within the target, no need for over penetration, by the way its never a bad idea to have a S&W 500 just in case

TheIceMan · 09-22-2005, 02:14 PM

Shotgun, with shells loaded with rocksalt.

southernshooter · 03-09-2006, 01:10 AM

Rubber ball loads are still considered lethal under 12 feet and usually home defense is close quarters. But If they live they will try to sue Im not lettin that happen but like you said rubberball is a good idea If their is other people in the house

cpt.bales · 06-09-2006, 06:14 PM

when i am at home i got my 12 guage pump right by my bed. and i sleep with my G.I 1911-A1 under my pillow. and on the bedroom wall is

1. Ak-47
2. Mosin nagant M44 carbine
3. Ruger mini 14 Ranch rifle
4. yugo 59/66 SKS
5. double barrel 12 guage.

plus in my footlocker

1. 38 cal. pistol
2. 9mm Makorav PA63
3. titan 25 auto
4. Ruger 45

plus i have enough ammo to keep the osma bin ladens army at bay for a month. that is my home defence . but on a serious note i think a 12 guage shotgun is the way to go. it is really hard to miss with a shotty.

southernshooter · 06-09-2006, 09:32 PM

It is true what you said about hard to miss Cpt. Bales. I like my laser it is even harder to miss, But at the same time it is better to strattle your loads between buck shot and slug. For a hostage or something on the sides you don't want to hit situat.ion

kikr · 06-23-2006, 06:03 PM

I have to go with the shotgun. I personally use a Mossberg 500 with 00 buck. I load mine with the reduced recoil rounds so my fiancee can handle the weapon a little easier if need be.

nitrox · 07-27-2006, 12:13 PM

I stay twice a week in our fishpond house in the country. its 7 kms from the nearest town center. the house is sorrounded with an 8foot wall. Recently 2 people where kidnapped in our area and armed group where spotted within the 5 km radius of our property.
I usually turn on the light outside the house and turn off the inside when i go to bed.
We have big windows with steel grills that sorrounds our 2 bedroom house . The only room that is sourrounded on 3 sides is our bathroom. I plan to make it our defense position. we dont expect the police to assist us if things gets hot....i anticipate that they will arrived the next morning.
I plan to put door bolts in all our door and motion sensor on the outer wall.
I am armed with two 9mm pistols and 300 teflon reloaded rounds and an old m1 carbine .30 cal with 150 rounds and 2 grenades.Is my ammo enough? do i still need to buy a shotgun?
My wife doesnt want to handle any of the firearms.
Im thinking of buying a benelli M1 or M2 tactical semi auto shotgun. what do you think?

southernshooter · 07-27-2006, 09:22 PM

Welcome Nitrox
A Benelli will set you back quite a bit
You can pickup a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 for next to noyhing and their is more than enough upgrades and after market stocks to suit everybody
I can't remember exactly how much but I built one of mine for about $450 on a Mossberg frame here she is

stash247 · 07-28-2006, 01:12 AM

Nitrox, post #1! Welcome, to our wierd world!
Where is it, that you live, where grenades are not an issue? I like that part, a lot!
7km from the world means you gotta fixit, yourself! I'm owning 30 acres, more or less, in the middle of Texas, but 15 milesfrom the world; if I called 911, the minute the house caught fire, we'd have a large gathering, about 10 minutes after it was gone; not really 'good enough'! Police and EMS response comparable, my feelings about them, the same.
So, It's in my court; survival is like that, at whatever distance from assistance, just, as we get more remote, it gets more attention!
My 'house guns', for many years, have been 18" Ithaca M-37's, stuffed with birdshot, and I've hunted a few of these, as well, and fairly successfully.
Any gun that will 'smoke' a dove at 15 yds is a force to be reckoned with when engaging larger, slower, targets.
There are more powerful, more portable, answers to the question, of course, and, living alone, many are stashed around the house; but, given the choice of only one, a reliable, combat length, smoothbore, in 12 ga., offers all the security I could ask for!

sarzak · 07-28-2006, 03:30 AM

nitrox. the number one improvement you can make in your homes self defense is to get your wife proficient in firearms. that would equal a 100% improvent in "shootbackability". i have my pistol/shotgun/rifle, and my wife has her pistol/shotgun/rifle. not to mention the various and sundry multiple b/u guns scattered about. we review our scenarios on a regular basis.

Alakar · 07-28-2006, 04:49 PM

I've always been partial to shotguns for home defense, especially for people that are new to firearms. My reasons are as follows:

1. Cost: A single shot 12ga can be had for under $100. A decent pump, for under $200.

2. Penetration: You load a shotgun with Number 8 shot or smaller and you don't have the problem of shooting through walls and hitting your kids, the wife, the dog, the mother-in-law (this may not be a plus)

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3. Training: Guns for home defense require training, but handguns require way more then a shotgun. To use a handgun effectively, in a high pressure, high stress situation, requires training that will overcome adrenaline and fear if you want to hit something. A shotgun is much more forgiving when your hands are shaking.

4. Effectiveness: Handguns can be intimidating fired off in a darkened house, but light off a 12ga with a 20 inch barrel in a darkened house, and if you don't hit the intruder, you will likely scare him to death.

southernshooter · 07-28-2006, 05:23 PM

Welcome Alakar
Don't forget just the sound of you chambering one will send em runnin for the hills.

Ursus · 07-28-2006, 05:43 PM

I'll have to go with the shotgun. Just and advice: Don't count that the racking sound will scare them. If they are doped, or are hardened bad boys, that just won't happen. If there is more than one guy,and you miss a shot-believe me, it's not impossible to miss whit a shotgun-, you are going to need all the shells that you can get in your shotgun. So keep it fully loaded at least when you're around.

southernshooter · 07-28-2006, 05:45 PM

Mine holds 8 so if the sound don't scare em I can back it up. And the laser makes it harder to miss

Ursus · 07-28-2006, 06:08 PM

Wherever Nitrox lives, it doesn't sound like the U.S. He mentioned that a group of 5 armed men was seen in the sorruondigs. It seems to me that he lives in a place much like my own. Here criminals acts in packs, and believe me an 8 shot gun can run dry pretty fast in those circumstances. By the way, in my country, grenades are very popular an often used by gang members. Besides his home maybe a brick house so I'd get an AK, Mini 14 and at least 300 rounds.

southernshooter · 07-28-2006, 06:34 PM

I understand what you are saying. I have a ak with a couple hundred rounds. I just say the shotgun because thats my first choice mainly because It has the light/laser and night sights. I can see what you are saying about 8 rounds not being much. Also I like the fact of spreading shot because it is hard to train for a home invasion type situation do to low light, adrenaline, and other variables

04-02-2005, 05:21 PM	#26
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	! Opinions are just that. Physics is different ;it's precise. There are 7000 grains in a pound; that makes a 7/8 oz "dove and Quail" load, in a 12 ga shotgun, the equivalent of a 383 grain bullet, with 71/2 shot giving no overpenetration. While I have seen one 6' 5" feller, full of chemistry, require two doses, He's the ONLY one! Most, solid torso hits, cannot find the ground fast enough, with just one. Nobody EVER needed three, so far as I know, centrally applied. In a house, a mobile, move with the shotgun at 'High port' with a chambered round. Drop-point fire is, from there, an integrated motion, not three. Better yet, really use it as a "Defensive weapon", dial 911, advise as to the situation, agree in advance on a "authentication" or word for the day, so you know when the good guy gets there, and fall back into a SERIOUS defensive position. Let all who approach know what follows, if they breach your door, and wait for the posse! If you do it like the above, your only loss is property; otherwise, what the burglars don't get, the lawyers will! Just my .02 Terry __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

04-02-2005, 08:57 PM	#27
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Right on. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

05-09-2005, 05:32 PM	#28
ROTCC Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 42	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice You are guilty of ASSUMING that you will get to the shotgun in time. The odds are that you won't. The way to go is a concealed handgun worn around the house at all times. While in the shower, it should be under your towel. When you are in bed, it should be either under your pillow or under the mattress corner by your head. It is impossible to both secure the shotgun and always have it in reach. The pistol is where it's at.

05-10-2005, 05:58 PM	#29
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice ROTCC, you have a point, but the main thing to remember is that a handgun's main purpose in a gunfight is to allow you the ability to fight your way to a long gun. Stash has it right in the last paragraph: Hole up in a defendable position, call for the cavalry and blow heck outta anybody that comes towards your position who isn't clearly on your side.

05-10-2005, 08:01 PM	#30
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice When my handgun is under my pillow, it makes the pillow lumpy; when my hangun is under the mattress corner it seems to snag on that elastic sheet thingy. I keep my handgun on the headboard. Do you think that's too far away? Or maybe it might slide away without me knowing, since my whole body ain't on top of it? I say a person can invest a bit in a good home security set-up, that is layered and redundant (regular passive security stuff), so as to make his dwelling (first) a hard target and (second) provide ample warning of intrusion. With a little forethought a person does not need to necessarily have a "concealed handgun worn around the house at all times". I know some people live in appts/complexes or similar dwelling types and their door literally opens into public domain, but for contemporary style housing there are millions of things that can be done to make the property safer. Just a few... A 6 foot fence Motion detector lights or good lighting in general Clear all possible cover from property/deny concealment Put alarm system stickers (buy on the net) on windows even if you don't have a system Sturdy windows with reliable locks Sturdy doors with reliable locks Get a dog and make it obvious; a big one if possible Even if you have no dog, put stuff in your yard for a really big one (doghouse, bowl, chew toy, beware of dog sign) Keeping weapons ready in the home, especially while sleeping, is one thing; however, if even in a secured property you still need to be strapped at all times in your own house(it's like admitting your own living room is as unsecure as a downtown alley), then your number one aspiration in life should be to move up and move the hell away. As for the rest, have a plan and fight with the tools you are confident with. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

05-15-2005, 04:14 AM	#32
Kasatka V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nevada Posts: 113	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice I don't really care to get into a debate about it but for the record I keep a Steyr M9 9mm with a loaded 14rd mag. Needless to say, I can and would hit the invader on first shot, but those extra 13rds make a great warning if he tries to do anything but a) remain on the floor in a passive position or b) dies. __________________ Foolish are those who fear nothing, yet claim to know everything.

05-15-2005, 08:13 PM	#33
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Don't suppose you keep that 9mm "worn around the house at all times" do ya? j/k Anyway, heck if you got 14 rds, why stop on the first shot. Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice, IMHO. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

08-14-2005, 12:05 AM	#34
lkh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Why don't you use rubber bullet for shotgun in self-defense.It will just cause serious injury.Bullets may kill someone!

09-22-2005, 02:14 PM	#36
TheIceMan Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pike County PA. Posts: 29	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Shotgun, with shells loaded with rocksalt. __________________ SW9VE Taurus 24-7 .45acp Beretta .32 Tomcat (wifey's gun) Marlin 925 BOYCOTT SEARS.. THEY HAVE A NATIONWIDE ANTIGUN LAW IN ALL OF THEIR STORES.

03-09-2006, 01:10 AM	#37
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Rubber ball loads are still considered lethal under 12 feet and usually home defense is close quarters. But If they live they will try to sue Im not lettin that happen but like you said rubberball is a good idea If their is other people in the house __________________ Only you can see this Last edited by southernshooter; 03-20-2006 at 11:44 PM.. Reason: misspell

06-09-2006, 06:14 PM	#38
cpt.bales Former Guest Join Date: May 2006 Location: phoenix, arizona Posts: 71	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice when i am at home i got my 12 guage pump right by my bed. and i sleep with my G.I 1911-A1 under my pillow. and on the bedroom wall is 1. Ak-47 2. Mosin nagant M44 carbine 3. Ruger mini 14 Ranch rifle 4. yugo 59/66 SKS 5. double barrel 12 guage. plus in my footlocker 1. 38 cal. pistol 2. 9mm Makorav PA63 3. titan 25 auto 4. Ruger 45 plus i have enough ammo to keep the osma bin ladens army at bay for a month. that is my home defence . but on a serious note i think a 12 guage shotgun is the way to go. it is really hard to miss with a shotty.

06-09-2006, 09:32 PM	#39
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice It is true what you said about hard to miss Cpt. Bales. I like my laser it is even harder to miss, But at the same time it is better to strattle your loads between buck shot and slug. For a hostage or something on the sides you don't want to hit situat.ion __________________ Only you can see this Last edited by southernshooter; 06-09-2006 at 09:35 PM..

06-23-2006, 06:03 PM	#40
kikr Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 14	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice I have to go with the shotgun. I personally use a Mossberg 500 with 00 buck. I load mine with the reduced recoil rounds so my fiancee can handle the weapon a little easier if need be. __________________ We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. George Orwell

07-27-2006, 12:13 PM	#41
nitrox Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: WV,Philippines Posts: 22	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice I stay twice a week in our fishpond house in the country. its 7 kms from the nearest town center. the house is sorrounded with an 8foot wall. Recently 2 people where kidnapped in our area and armed group where spotted within the 5 km radius of our property. I usually turn on the light outside the house and turn off the inside when i go to bed. We have big windows with steel grills that sorrounds our 2 bedroom house . The only room that is sourrounded on 3 sides is our bathroom. I plan to make it our defense position. we dont expect the police to assist us if things gets hot....i anticipate that they will arrived the next morning. I plan to put door bolts in all our door and motion sensor on the outer wall. I am armed with two 9mm pistols and 300 teflon reloaded rounds and an old m1 carbine .30 cal with 150 rounds and 2 grenades.Is my ammo enough? do i still need to buy a shotgun? My wife doesnt want to handle any of the firearms. Im thinking of buying a benelli M1 or M2 tactical semi auto shotgun. what do you think?

07-27-2006, 09:22 PM	#42
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Welcome Nitrox A Benelli will set you back quite a bit You can pickup a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 for next to noyhing and their is more than enough upgrades and after market stocks to suit everybody I can't remember exactly how much but I built one of mine for about $450 on a Mossberg frame here she is Attached Images __________________ Only you can see this

07-28-2006, 01:12 AM	#43
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Nitrox, post #1! Welcome, to our wierd world! Where is it, that you live, where grenades are not an issue? I like that part, a lot! 7km from the world means you gotta fixit, yourself! I'm owning 30 acres, more or less, in the middle of Texas, but 15 milesfrom the world; if I called 911, the minute the house caught fire, we'd have a large gathering, about 10 minutes after it was gone; not really 'good enough'! Police and EMS response comparable, my feelings about them, the same. So, It's in my court; survival is like that, at whatever distance from assistance, just, as we get more remote, it gets more attention! My 'house guns', for many years, have been 18" Ithaca M-37's, stuffed with birdshot, and I've hunted a few of these, as well, and fairly successfully. Any gun that will 'smoke' a dove at 15 yds is a force to be reckoned with when engaging larger, slower, targets. There are more powerful, more portable, answers to the question, of course, and, living alone, many are stashed around the house; but, given the choice of only one, a reliable, combat length, smoothbore, in 12 ga., offers all the security I could ask for! __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

07-28-2006, 03:30 AM	#44
sarzak V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 95	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice nitrox. the number one improvement you can make in your homes self defense is to get your wife proficient in firearms. that would equal a 100% improvent in "shootbackability". i have my pistol/shotgun/rifle, and my wife has her pistol/shotgun/rifle. not to mention the various and sundry multiple b/u guns scattered about. we review our scenarios on a regular basis.

07-28-2006, 04:49 PM	#45
Alakar Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 11	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice I've always been partial to shotguns for home defense, especially for people that are new to firearms. My reasons are as follows: 1. Cost: A single shot 12ga can be had for under $100. A decent pump, for under $200. 2. Penetration: You load a shotgun with Number 8 shot or smaller and you don't have the problem of shooting through walls and hitting your kids, the wife, the dog, the mother-in-law (this may not be a plus) . 3. Training: Guns for home defense require training, but handguns require way more then a shotgun. To use a handgun effectively, in a high pressure, high stress situation, requires training that will overcome adrenaline and fear if you want to hit something. A shotgun is much more forgiving when your hands are shaking. 4. Effectiveness: Handguns can be intimidating fired off in a darkened house, but light off a 12ga with a 20 inch barrel in a darkened house, and if you don't hit the intruder, you will likely scare him to death.

07-28-2006, 05:23 PM	#46
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Welcome Alakar Don't forget just the sound of you chambering one will send em runnin for the hills. __________________ Only you can see this

07-28-2006, 05:43 PM	#47
Ursus Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Salvador, Central America. Posts: 1,030	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice I'll have to go with the shotgun. Just and advice: Don't count that the racking sound will scare them. If they are doped, or are hardened bad boys, that just won't happen. If there is more than one guy,and you miss a shot-believe me, it's not impossible to miss whit a shotgun-, you are going to need all the shells that you can get in your shotgun. So keep it fully loaded at least when you're around.

07-28-2006, 05:45 PM	#48
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Mine holds 8 so if the sound don't scare em I can back it up. And the laser makes it harder to miss __________________ Only you can see this

07-28-2006, 06:08 PM	#49
Ursus Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Salvador, Central America. Posts: 1,030	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice Wherever Nitrox lives, it doesn't sound like the U.S. He mentioned that a group of 5 armed men was seen in the sorruondigs. It seems to me that he lives in a place much like my own. Here criminals acts in packs, and believe me an 8 shot gun can run dry pretty fast in those circumstances. By the way, in my country, grenades are very popular an often used by gang members. Besides his home maybe a brick house so I'd get an AK, Mini 14 and at least 300 rounds. Last edited by Ursus; 07-28-2006 at 06:10 PM..

07-28-2006, 06:34 PM	#50
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Home Defense Weapon of Choice I understand what you are saying. I have a ak with a couple hundred rounds. I just say the shotgun because thats my first choice mainly because It has the light/laser and night sights. I can see what you are saying about 8 rounds not being much. Also I like the fact of spreading shot because it is hard to train for a home invasion type situation do to low light, adrenaline, and other variables __________________ Only you can see this