Home Defense Weapon of Choice

[Ursus]

I guess it all depend on the whole and specific scenario. See you around, Southernshooter.

[nitrox]

by the way friends i live in asia where armed terrorist group (lefty,bandits) roamed in a group of 5-7. They are usually armed with M16's. Shotgun would be a good intro for the uninvited guest, the carbine would be the standoff rifle, my pistol would be my backup and the grenades would be the last salvo for the day.

I go to the range at least once a week and join club competition using my standard carry gun and not those compensated pieces because i believe using those upgraded guns is not practical when i go around the property. its to bulky for a fast draw and i can't conceal the gun.

I dont bring my rifle around the property because i dont want to invite.. unwanted visitors at night. i want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

As of the momment I am in the crossroad of either getting a laser or a tactical rail light for my pistol and rifle. what do you suggest?

I plan to order a 12ga. shotgun for my 1st line of defense today. I wish for a semi but its to high for my budget i guess i will be getting a pump.

Friends i really appreciate all your suggestion.. your right we live in a weird world.

[nitrox]

and by the way my house is concreate ..

[southernshooter]

As far as the laser on the pistol try to find a laser-max built in guide rod laser. To hard to holster anything else.
On the rifle any universal laser will work check out www.centerfiresystems.com or www.cheaperthandirt.com
As far as shotgun's go either Mossberg, Remington, and Maverick all make good pumps and affordable semi's
Hope this help's

[Ursus]

As some of you know, I live in Latin America. Nitrox, let me see: M-16 armed gangs, slow or not at all responding police, grenades, concrete houses... guess I could feel like home in your country. At first I voted for the shotgun; now I'll have to go with the AK, AR-15. We're talking war here. Then I'd have all your others items as back up. Get the shotgun. Keep the carbine but get something with more punch.
Be safe. See you around.

P.D. What about landmines?

[nitrox]

thanks for the info on the laser sight. will study the site within the next few days.
as of the momment no landmines yet.thank god..just punji stick hehehe...going back to basic.. must still be within the law.
i think your right aside from the shotgun an AR15 would help my defense.

[nitrox]

Additional Home defense tactic

After waking up in the middle of the night. I dont want to confront the uninvited guest with my pajamas on. so, i decided to get myself an oversize black overall and an ammo belt I was able to wear everything and load my rifle in less than 25 seconds.



Wearing everthing in a few seconds i loaded myself with 120 round of .30cal.80 rounds 9mm and 12 rounds of shotgun shells,my gun, a knife and a flashlight.



My bag contained 300rounds 9mm, 320 of .30cal and 48 rounds shotgun shells,2 motion sensor detector. I bring this around when i visit and stay a few nights in my other farms.

Now that i have this, i feel more secure, confident and comfortable.

I also make it a point to have a black shirt and pants for my wife and son within their reach (near the bed). I hope i'm not bringing this to the extreme. but when its your family security at stake.. I cant help but be prepared....Just like what my Rotary club motto would say ..."Lead the Way"

[Ursus]

Cool!! Way to go, but... Where do you keep the grenades?

[southernshooter]

Looks like your well prepared
Note my signature
I DON'T CALL IT OVERKILL I CALL IT BEING WELL PREPARED

[nitrox]

would like to share something about home defense tactics and tips particulary clearing your own house. This happened to me few weeks ago in my farm house which was 8 km. away from the nearest town and 3 km. away from the main road.

At around 10:45pm one of my motion sensor alarm located in the garden sounded. It was giving an alarm every 30-45 seconds and my heart started pumping.

My wife and I look at each other for a few seconds as if saying this cant be happening. The first thing I had to do was overcome the panic in me after which I brought my wife and my sleeping son to our bathroom (which I call my panic room no windows on any side) only two doors that connects the two rooms) I always make it a point that every time I stay in our farm house, I have all my defense stuff (rifle, ammo, pistol, belt and coverall) in the bathroom.

The alarm was sounding like crazy and it contributed to the tension of the whole situation. I wanted to clear my house and garden as soon as I can and go to bed.

I wore my dark coveralls, secured my ammo belt with my 9mm backup handgun and loaded my M1 carbine rifle. I turn on the light of the living and dining area from my room switch and check it thru the peephole door.

After seeing that the area was clear and before going out, I handed my other pistol to my wife and told her to close the door and if anything happens to call the police which probably would arrived a few hours later and not let anyone in.

I went out the garden with my rifle drawn cleared the area and manually disarm and re arm my sensor alarm. I went back and secured the whole house. The house is surrounded with a 6 foot concrete fence with a distance of 15 meters around the house.

The lesson I learned from this experience is as follows.

1. Its better to buy those wireless remote activated sensor alarm system that those manually activated alarm unit. You don’t have to go out to disarm and arm those stuff
2. install wireless camera around the house- give one a great advantage
3. install motion sensor activated spot lights
4. Never clear the area alone
5. Peephole can make your life easier.. make sure of the light outside

[Ursus]

Originally Posted by nitrox

The lesson I learned from this experience is as follows.

1. Its better to buy those wireless remote activated sensor alarm system that those manually activated alarm unit. You don’t have to go out to disarm and arm those stuff
2. install wireless camera around the house- give one a great advantage
3. install motion sensor activated spot lights
4. Never clear the area alone
5. Peephole can make your life easier.. make sure of the light outside

Thanks God everything was OK. I think the lessons learned have great value.
Does your wife has decided to become a proefficient shooter?. I hope so, because she will have to back you up, as seen.
Be safe Nitrox.

[BISHOP]

I personally think that a double barrel shotgun would be the best in terms of power. it honestly depends on the layout of your home. you dont want to use one with much penetrating power if your kid is in the room next to you. but if the walls of your house are really thick concrete then id go for the breakaway double barrel. if you have drywall then go for a 410 with birdshot
(trust me it will still stop them)

[navyvet]

Mossberg 500 Persuader, AR15.

[stash247]

Guys, we've worn this one out!
Should you break in through my bedroom window, next to my bed, of course you will be shot, and repeatedly, with a .45 acp pistol, because it is closest to my heart, and hands.
Pick any other point of entry, where I have to arise to find you, and and I will pick up a shotgun, at the bedroom door, on the way out to meet you, and shoot you with that.
But, understand, as a former Special Forces Trooper, and, generally, a really nice person, I'd rather not go through all the bullsh** that follows a shooting, If I can avoid doing so!
Every place, except South East Asia, in which I have ever lived, had a dog pound, by whatever name; I'm going on my third week, over the last 40 years, without a dog in my home, and it's kinda frustrating, both out of the lack of companionship, and lack of security.
Most of my dogs have been substantial animals, primarily Dobermans, and give good account, where security is concerned; they almost put my needs on 'autopilot', with little to no liability, if well worked!
I suggest, that, with a little preparation, and good judgement, that one can go to the pound, and for less than a hundred bucks, come home with a 'security system' better than anything built by man, with company, to boot!
I am 15 days, +/-, from a new Red Heeler Puppy, out of a proven Bitch, who will again be my primary defense, upon maturity.
To synopsise, a dog, or two, is a better answer, than most firearms: You get early warning, and deterrence, 24/7, whether you are home, or not.
Please give this line of logic a bit of thought; dogs, not withstanding their 'maintainance' requirements, offer better hearing, night vision, and 'brand loyalty', than any other 'security product' I have seen, or used.

[user]

Get a dog.

[stash247]

Thank you.
They are, on the whole, an easier breed to educate, than Homo Sapiens, hear better, bite better, move quicker, in the bargain; and, unlike humans, their love is unconditional.
My 48 pound 'Red Heeler' (Australian Cattle Dog), Brandy, is quick and agile enough, at four years old, to catch a tennis ball, no matter how hard I throw it, before it hits the ground, or climb a ladder!
She does not 'make friends', real quickly, but is tolerant of mine, within reason.
Not, by any means, a reccomendation of breed; if you've not a lot of "Dog" experience, definitely NOT the breed to learn on!
In my case, she is the finest companion one could ask for; she travels well, goes everywhere, even to work, often, with me, and wears a leash, twice a year, to the vet's.
A former 'co-worker' recently moved to New Mexico, from here in Texas, and had to move a real big (21+ Hands) Saddle Horse, with an attitude, about getting into the trailer; he would 'crowd' you, to the wall of the trailer, or stall, hard enough to break bones, on more than one occasion, for the owner, and his wife.
We loaded the horse, on a $100 bet, in 89 seconds, stall to trailer!
I offer this in an attempt to display what a fine dog, well trained, can do; compared to a mean mannered, 1400 pound horse, a 250 pound man is little work, for a good dog, to 'take out of the picture'.
I'm 5'10", and this little girl can and does jump over my head, or shoulder, in the yard; that's at least 'face high' for the first bite, on a basketball player, in my book.
She, her predecessor, and her replacement, should I live so long, were and will be my 'first line of defense', as they give me the 'early warning' to back them up!
Behind them, I'll be at 'high port', with an Ithaca 37, in 12 Gauge, filled with birdshot, and, perhaps, a pistol.
If one is strong or stupid, enough to hurt the dog, his remains will be ugly.
And, referencing my previous post, Brandy was a 'rescue' animal, from a family who told me she was 'completely unmanageable, totally out of control', when I called about her! Free, for the price of fuel, to pick her up!
Betcha never got a working firearm, that cheap!
I submit that as firearms go, for a house gun, a short, but legal, 12 gauge shotgun, is the choice of those with others, in the home, or nearby neighbors.
For me, it's always been 'plan your work, then, work your plan'; my girls, growing up, were taught from the beginning, that if a dog wakes them they were to 'retreat' into the master bedroom, 'right now', and it is a plan that works.
Only used once, since I got home, but worked like a fine swiss watch, then; feller 'kicked the door', the kids bailed, the dog was enroute, and the guy went down, real hard; she took most of his left cheek, with the first snap, and 'sat him out', until the posse arrived.
He's still 'inside'.
Face it, firearms require training, and practice. So do dogs. But the dogs retain it, and offer other benefits!

[Recon 173]

I like a Remington 870 with 00 buck for the first two rounds with a slug round for the 3rd shot. The shotgun is backed up by a big bore semi-automatic pistol which is backed up by a sheath knife. that trio works pretty well.

[Navy CWO5]

We all have our opinions but if you want to see pictures and measured information go to http://www.theboxotruth.com. Personally, I have a 45 to get me to a rifle with at least a 15 round magazine plus spares. The quick draws and jerking of a pump (I have no pumps in my house) when the adrenaline is flowing is just asking for misses.

[GatorDude]

My obligatory 9mm pistol should do the trick. I have a S&W SW9VE Enhanced Sigma and about 4 clips. Even though it is a semi-automatic, the Sigma doesn't have a lot of extra buttons and levers to fumble with in the dark.

My second choice would be a double action only revolver and some speedloaders.

Between the dog, the alarm, and the anonymity of a house deep in a cookie-cutter suburb, I doubt that home defense will be a necessity. I think a reliable revolver or semi-automatic pistol should do the trick for most suburban folks.

[TOOHSOTKIL]

RIP Stash, you were born for the name CrUsTy

[big steve]

Well everyones opinions are good here. Heres my two cents. I wpould get a pistol like a 9mm or something cause its not huge and obviously easy to aim you dont want to be walking around a corner with a huge 12 gauge and knock over something you want something small easy to aim and powerful. Like I said if it were me I would go with a 9mm pistol or some sort of Glock cause they are very reliable and good.

Regards, Steve

[Doc1911]

Jokingly ...

After you get by my mote filled with Alligators and Paraná, I'll meet you on the draw bridge with a 1911, make my way to both a shotgun and AR15, and if all else fails get in my submarine and go into the mote myself and make my way to my secure lockroom. Somewhere in there is my plan.

Then I call for backup:

Never mind, I'll just use a .22