Bump in the Night - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

delta13soultaker · 03-13-2006, 09:34 PM

Not taking sides, but there are plenty of people who would sit on a jury and listen to a lawyer explain how leaving your doors unlocked was inviting bloodshed that may have been avoided. It could be articulated in a way that makes the law abiding citizen's actions come out across as why the shooting occured in the first place.

Just stating a sad but certain fact. Not everyone thinks like you, so don't expect your logic to prevail in court.

The Army has a saying I've heard all over about leaving anything unsecured: "If you all locked your crap up there'd be no thieves."

Another saying that goes right there with it. "C.Y.O.A." Cover Your Own Ass

Just my .02

user_error · 03-13-2006, 10:50 PM

One thing I read makes a LOT of sense: I do have a responsibility to keep my guns out of other people's hands. If someone steals my car, or my tv, or my computer or mugs me for my wallet or watch, then yeah--lost a watch, or some money or something with some sentimental value. They take it, sell it or spend it or whatever, and that's the end of it. But we as law-abiding citizens have, I believe, a greater moral responsibility regarding guns: we are morally bound to prevent our deadly weapons from falling into the wrong hands!

Familyguy · 03-14-2006, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnK3

bangbang, what's your point?

When I am at home, I rarely lock my doors. Why? Simple. Why not?

I do not have a responsibility to lock my doors. The bad guys have a responsibility to stay out of my house. You'll find no mat on my front door that says "Welcome" so that excuse is gone.

Don't let the current inversion of common sense unduly influence your thought-patterns. What legal, moral reason could someone have for coming into my house uninvited, whether I have the door locked or not? I'm not invading their privacy or their home, they're invading mine. I didn't drag them off the street, hold a gun to their head and say "Walk into my home uninvited!"

AMEN to that!!!

obxned · 03-11-2007, 12:28 AM

I don't worry too much. When the dogs are done chewing, I plan to keep their weapons and throw whats left in the vacant lot. I also have a .45 and 2 shotguns right handy.

pawn · 03-17-2007, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnK3

bangbang, what's your point?

When I am at home, I rarely lock my doors. Why? Simple. Why not?

I do not have a responsibility to lock my doors. The bad guys have a responsibility to stay out of my house. You'll find no mat on my front door that says "Welcome" so that excuse is gone.

Don't let the current inversion of common sense unduly influence your thought-patterns. What legal, moral reason could someone have for coming into my house uninvited, whether I have the door locked or not? I'm not invading their privacy or their home, they're invading mine. I didn't drag them off the street, hold a gun to their head and say "Walk into my home uninvited!"

I understand what you are saying but to me, it is prudent to lock the doors in your home. In my mind, an unlocked door invites trouble- a jury may possibly interpret unlocked doors as negligence (depends on where you live- remember liberals are not rational folks- they tend to be idealists) or even an enthusiastic desire to engage in lethal defense that would otherwise not be necessary.

Distance is your friend, there isnt any tactical advantage in allowing the bad guy to get close to you (an unlocked door allows for comparetively silent entry). Forced entry is likely to produce noise allowing you more reaction time and underscoring to the jury that you aren't some "gun nut" waiting for the chance to kill but rather a level headed citizen engaging in self-defense. Forced entry equates to the homeowner not having any choice, it was either the bad guy or you.

Others may see this differently, that is ok- just my .02 folks

-pawn

03-13-2006, 09:34 PM	#26
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: Bump in the Night Not taking sides, but there are plenty of people who would sit on a jury and listen to a lawyer explain how leaving your doors unlocked was inviting bloodshed that may have been avoided. It could be articulated in a way that makes the law abiding citizen's actions come out across as why the shooting occured in the first place. Just stating a sad but certain fact. Not everyone thinks like you, so don't expect your logic to prevail in court. The Army has a saying I've heard all over about leaving anything unsecured: "If you all locked your crap up there'd be no thieves." Another saying that goes right there with it. "C.Y.O.A." Cover Your Own Ass Just my .02 __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

03-13-2006, 10:50 PM	#27
user_error V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 130	Re: Bump in the Night One thing I read makes a LOT of sense: I do have a responsibility to keep my guns out of other people's hands. If someone steals my car, or my tv, or my computer or mugs me for my wallet or watch, then yeah--lost a watch, or some money or something with some sentimental value. They take it, sell it or spend it or whatever, and that's the end of it. But we as law-abiding citizens have, I believe, a greater moral responsibility regarding guns: we are morally bound to prevent our deadly weapons from falling into the wrong hands!

03-11-2007, 12:28 AM	#29
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: Bump in the Night I don't worry too much. When the dogs are done chewing, I plan to keep their weapons and throw whats left in the vacant lot. I also have a .45 and 2 shotguns right handy.