WWII Walther PPK Value

[Danny]

Hello Doug,
First of all welcome to this great gun forum. Your pistol was manufactued in late 1940. That was the year the C/N was removed and the E/N started to be stamped on all weapons of the Germany. The WaA359 means it was accepted by the German Army. These pistols are sought more by collectors than the ones without this marking. As far as the holster goes it sounds like a post war one. If you could post some pics I could give you a good estimate on the price. Check the grip real good for signs of stress cracks, as if there is some it will decrease the value of this fine handgun. Hope this tad of info helps & you and your family have a Great Easter.
Kind Regards
Danny

[ductape]

Thanks Danny
See if this works. It's probably not the best shape, been around the block. Some bluing missing in areas. some minor surface pitting front end left side. No cracks in grip that I can see.






Doug

[Danny]

Hi Doug,
From looking at the pics your pistol would to me grade 85% and a little more if the grig strap still has bluing on it. The spots on the pistol look like blood stains to me, but then to if pop is splassed on it without removal fast, it will do the same thing.
I really think your holster is a Bulgarian post war. I could be wrong, however I have never seen a war time or prewar holster like that. All cleaning rods were one peice except for long arms, K98's etc.
If it were my gun with those markings & condition 1200 or more on an auction site. Hope this helps?
Regards
Danny

[Teejay9]

I believe the holster is Spanish, though I am known to wrong now and then. The Spanish made a very similar holster for their Astra mod. 400. TJ

[ductape]

Thanks everyone.
The ppk come into my hands by either uncle or grandfather(not sure) years ago. I
remember going to the local dump & shooting the ppk and also a German Luger, but that was many many years ago. Along with it I have inherited a home made heavy made belt with metals and or badges attached (close to a dozen) from the WWII. I thank you for the responses.

Doug

[Danny]

U R MTW
Danny
PS: I would Love To See The Belt & Medals Doug
drbow50@yahoo.com

[ConnCarl]

Hi guys, can you help me with the production place/year of this pistol and an approximate value?

It's a 7.65 mm PPK, s/n 212XXX K, with "crown-over-N" proofs, brown wraparound grips, high polish finish, and about 90% bluing, mostly holster wear near the muzzle and one or two scratches.

Thanks! Carl

[Danny]

Hi Carl,
Your pistol was also manufactured in 1939, the last of the C/N pistols.
We really would like to see it, if possible? I can give ya a ballpark of 1 grand without seeing it. The pistols sounds very nice. Hope this helps some?
Danny

[ConnCarl]

Danny:

Thanks for the prompt reply. These pics aren't the best, but, they'll give you some idea of the shape it's in.

Thanks! Carl

[Danny]

Carl the looks like from the wear is not that bad and I would consider it over 90%. So the dollar figure would jump on this late commercial. If you had a holster and finger ext mag it would be a 1500 dollar collector. Given five years from now 18 to 2 grand, as these pistols R like money in the bank without paying taxes.
Keep it oiled and put it in a safe place and have the sn logged somewhere in case someone wants it without paying for it.
Regards
Danny
PS: I have the above mentioned items if you need them. PM me.

[ConnCarl]

Thanks, Danny, I appreciate it!

Carl

[tsmith7251]

Guys I need some help on a PPK I am looking to sell and/or trade.

I have done a little research and this is what I have found.
I belive this PPK was built in 1941-42, during Hitler’s height over Germany and when the Third Reich was at its highest. I think this pistol is a Deutsch Reich bank gun that the Nazi party controlled. The weapon has matching serial numbers on the magazine, bore and outside housing. The commercial proofs are a Crown over an N. The black grips and finger extension are perfect as is the bore and mechanical workings ( I have shot hundreds of rounds through it). The safety lever swings through a 90 degree Arc. The serial number is 343xxxk and to make this even rarer it is a 22 cal. This is the correct holster and magazine. I am looking for a guess on the cost, I have been told that at a low amount it may be 2-3k. What do you think? please email me at tsmith7251@comcast.net if you can help. I have added a few pictures so you can see it some. If I need others for you please let me know what will help.

[wonderwhippet]

What makes you think it's a "Deutch Reich bank gun"? All I can see is that it's a 1939-1940 manufactured commercial .22 caliber PPK. It's in decent condition and would probably bring between $1000 and $1400. Incidentally, the holster is not of German origin.

[tsmith7251]

I beg to differ with you on the holster. This gun was given to me by my Grandfather who said it was taken from a soldier when he was in the military. While this does not always mean that it was not purchased as an addon, the gun fits exactly, and the magazine fits perfect. The research that I have found is that the bank guns were special issue and the magazines were serialed number to the gun. It also said that the 22 was the common choice for the banks. It is hard for you to see it but on the first picture the finger extension on the the serial number is stamped.

[wonderwhippet]

I just went back to study my Rankin books on Walther pistols, and he discusses. the PPK .22 guns on page 70 in his first volume,"Walther Models Pp and PPK 1929-1945." According to Rankin, PPK .22 pistols were only manufactured in commercial versions. He even lists some known serial numbers, including 343714K and 343766K, which are close to your pistol's serial number which is 343957K. Incidentally, your safety is not a ninety degree type, but the later 60 degree style. As for the holster, I'll leave that to others to comment on. Incidentally, I recently bought a 1941 PPK .22 in 98% condition with two mags and original holster for $1400. Hey Danny, let's have your comments.

[tsmith7251]

Thank you very much for the information. Now I will need to find a buyer or trader for it. I will see if I can find that book. I appreciate your help in this.

[Danny]

Hello tsmith,
Your pistol was indeed manufactured in 1941. However the grips are not the right ones for this early pistol. The correct grips would be a brown/marble appearence. The black grips did not appear until early 1944 and on to war's end. The Reich's bank pistols came at the early stages of the PPK line, 1931,32 and 33. Both the front sight & rear were painted on these guns as well. When you say the pistol has the number on the bore do you mean end of the front of the slide in a circle pattern?
The holster looks like a shoulder holster used by the banks, but all the ones I have seen are marked with the AKAH crossed rifles. Is there any markings on the holster?
To give you an evaluation would be hard to do without getting this info from you. The grips will take about 350 off the gun. Those grips look awlfull nice, are you sure they are one peice or two?
Hope this tad of info helps some & if further assist is needed you can call me at 304-877-6650 or email me at drbow50@yahoo.com?
Kindest Regards
Danny
PS: Can you post a closer pic of the mag ext number?

[tsmith7251]

Thank you Danny for the response. I tried to call you this morning but got no answer. The grips are one piece, I took it off to check because I was not sure, even looking at them. Both of the sites are painted on the gun red in the rear and white in the front. When I said the bore I miss spoke I was thinking of the stamp. The serial number is the same on the upper slide on the side. After closer look the holster looks to be altered since it looks like the original part was removed and the strap looks like it was put on. Could the grips have been original by chance? The reason I ask is that I know my grandfather and he would not have spent a penny on this gun. I also could not find any markings on the holster at all.

Please call me if you have any questions at 281-513-5407

[tsmith7251]

Here is a picture of the painted sites and one of the stamp.

[tsmith7251]

Danny thank you for the phone call and I am glad you could help me with the information you came up with. How did you find that this was a bank gun? I have been trying to find some information to back up my claim?

[tsmith7251]

What is the correct term for the eagle stamp?

[wonderwhippet]

Proof mark.

[tsmith7251]

Thank you

[tsmith7251]

Thank you everyone for your help and getting me a value of this weapon. I have listed
and hopefully it will allow me to purchase my next weapon.

[vinman12]

Originally Posted by Danny

There were no PPKs listed in that sn range. It should have a 1 in front of the serial number. Looking closer at the pistol I can see where there are slight mill marks, All the PPKs I have & the ones I have researched in the C/N lot have a high gloss look with no mill marks. So I think someone has removed the number 1 which would make it an early million series pistol. Once again your SN is bogus and has been altered. This could be an issue with the ATF.
The serial numbers for the PPKs are as follows. First production is 752000 up to 1000000. There were 10,000 made in the million series and then Walther started with number 172000k up to 262722k, which was the last C/N pistol. Then in 1940 the C/N was changed to the E/N pistols, both in the PPK or PP handguns. So since your pistol has been altered, which again is a crime to alter a sn on any weapon, my judgement would put it in a shooter grade class worth no more than 350 at best.
It really is ashame someone would do this to such a fine collector grade Walther that could have been priced over 1k dollars. Hope this helps?
Danny

Danny,

I am not sure if I am reading the above information correctly or not. I have a PPK, SN:404xxxK that is an eagle C. Your numbers above do not show the 400000 range.

Any help is welcome.
Vince