Plastic vs 1911 - Page 4 - The Firearms Forum

Slabsides · 05-21-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Python

I live in Arizona, what's a "helmet"??? As for the Plastic vs. 1911, each has it's pro's & con's, nothings perfect. I like them all because I'm a gun lover, and I've had nothing but good experience with Colt 1911, Browning, Sig, Walther, and Glock. With over 50 years of shooting and carry, I end up with my XDM .45 and would never go back. Works for me, that's what counts.

1. Helmet laws suck.

2. Exactly! One should carry and shoot whatever they like. I live with a Glock 23 on my side. It is riding inside my waistband as I type this. I simply like them better than XDs, but I would never trash talk one. They are both excellent handguns. Comparing Glocks to XDs or 1911s or Rugers or whatever is like arguing who makes the best vehicle. Its kind of silly when you think about it.

PanhandlePop · 05-27-2011, 07:31 PM

I have Glocks and 1911s, they all have a purpose.

happyskeeter · 10-04-2011, 11:59 PM

Wideboy04 - I used to agree with you and as far as "pride of ownership" goes my Gunsite CCO or bright stainless Delta Elite leave the Glock in the dust.
Having owned many 1911's over the years I can say from my personal experience that about half of them were totally "Glock" reliable out of the box. The rest had to be worked on or sold.
When in the 80's I shot a friends new Glock I was surprised I could not get it to FTF by limp wristing it or any other means and it was as accurate as my tuned 1911's. That is when I bought my first of several Glocks. I started with several G23's, then a G27 and finally to back up the Delta Elite a 10mm G29SF. In many thousands of rounds in these Glocks I never had even ONE failure to fire or jam. Recently boating on the Colorado I took an unexpected swim with my G29SF. Later I just let the sun dry it and never had any rust or other problem with it.
I think the Glock may be more reliable than the 1911 because the barrel tilts up more in line with the cartridge in the magazine for a direct feed into the chamber.
You have to give Glock credit in that their standards, unlike Colt, Sig, S&W, etc) have reminded high they do not use MIM parts like the others. The first thing I did with my Delta Elite was replace all the MIM parts (disconnector, sear,etc) with tool steel. My Gunsite CCO was a limited production run ordered by Gunsite and they specfied Chip McCormick tool steel parts to replace all MIM parts because their guns were meant to be shot, same reason the Remington 870 Police models use NO MIM parts where as the non Police models use several MIM parts as well as plastic trigger guards.
I do agree that for a thing of beauty and a true classic at 100 years old nothing compares to the 1911 but as a tool I would rather drop my Glock than a 1911.
If I had to trust my life on a new, unfired, out of the box Glock or 1911 I would go with the Glock. That is what is called progress. Sure the old 427 1967 Corvette was a beast but my 2002 Z06 ( I really like plastic, plastic body, plastic springs )with all of its emissions is so much more of a car. That is progress.

Hogger129 - Having fired many Glocks and 1911's( I put myself through school working part time for Lesile Edelman's firearms on Long Island) I never found that 1911's could ever compare with the accuracy of a stock Glock.

If I could have only one gun it would be my custom tuned BSS Delta Elite.

One important thing so far not mentioned is that nothing is faster than a 1911 on the first shot. The Glock is slightly slowly due to its slightly longer trigger pull but not by a whole lot.

Colt_1911 -- What is stronger the metal bullet or the plastic bullet proof vest? The leaf spring on the new Corvettes are much stronger than the metal ones they replaced. They have triple the fatigue rate of the metal ones.

hogger129 · 10-05-2011, 12:17 AM

The only ways a "plastic" gun beats out the 1911 is the fact that they hold more rounds in a standard magazine and weigh less. It's all opinion really. Someone may prefer a lightweight gun that holds 15 rounds and isn't very expensive. Another person may prefer something they know is built solid, has a better trigger and that they can customize more. Both designs have their advantages and disadvantages for certain uses.

05-27-2011, 07:31 PM	#77
PanhandlePop V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 253	Re: Plastic vs 1911 I have Glocks and 1911s, they all have a purpose.

10-04-2011, 11:59 PM	#78
happyskeeter Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 20	Re: Plastic vs 1911 Wideboy04 - I used to agree with you and as far as "pride of ownership" goes my Gunsite CCO or bright stainless Delta Elite leave the Glock in the dust. Having owned many 1911's over the years I can say from my personal experience that about half of them were totally "Glock" reliable out of the box. The rest had to be worked on or sold. When in the 80's I shot a friends new Glock I was surprised I could not get it to FTF by limp wristing it or any other means and it was as accurate as my tuned 1911's. That is when I bought my first of several Glocks. I started with several G23's, then a G27 and finally to back up the Delta Elite a 10mm G29SF. In many thousands of rounds in these Glocks I never had even ONE failure to fire or jam. Recently boating on the Colorado I took an unexpected swim with my G29SF. Later I just let the sun dry it and never had any rust or other problem with it. I think the Glock may be more reliable than the 1911 because the barrel tilts up more in line with the cartridge in the magazine for a direct feed into the chamber. You have to give Glock credit in that their standards, unlike Colt, Sig, S&W, etc) have reminded high they do not use MIM parts like the others. The first thing I did with my Delta Elite was replace all the MIM parts (disconnector, sear,etc) with tool steel. My Gunsite CCO was a limited production run ordered by Gunsite and they specfied Chip McCormick tool steel parts to replace all MIM parts because their guns were meant to be shot, same reason the Remington 870 Police models use NO MIM parts where as the non Police models use several MIM parts as well as plastic trigger guards. I do agree that for a thing of beauty and a true classic at 100 years old nothing compares to the 1911 but as a tool I would rather drop my Glock than a 1911. If I had to trust my life on a new, unfired, out of the box Glock or 1911 I would go with the Glock. That is what is called progress. Sure the old 427 1967 Corvette was a beast but my 2002 Z06 ( I really like plastic, plastic body, plastic springs )with all of its emissions is so much more of a car. That is progress. Hogger129 - Having fired many Glocks and 1911's( I put myself through school working part time for Lesile Edelman's firearms on Long Island) I never found that 1911's could ever compare with the accuracy of a stock Glock. If I could have only one gun it would be my custom tuned BSS Delta Elite. One important thing so far not mentioned is that nothing is faster than a 1911 on the first shot. The Glock is slightly slowly due to its slightly longer trigger pull but not by a whole lot. Colt_1911 -- What is stronger the metal bullet or the plastic bullet proof vest? The leaf spring on the new Corvettes are much stronger than the metal ones they replaced. They have triple the fatigue rate of the metal ones.

10-05-2011, 12:17 AM	#79
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Plastic vs 1911 The only ways a "plastic" gun beats out the 1911 is the fact that they hold more rounds in a standard magazine and weigh less. It's all opinion really. Someone may prefer a lightweight gun that holds 15 rounds and isn't very expensive. Another person may prefer something they know is built solid, has a better trigger and that they can customize more. Both designs have their advantages and disadvantages for certain uses. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 10-05-2011 at 12:27 AM..