Help me Decide!!! - The Firearms Forum

polishshooter · 03-11-2006, 05:17 PM

I'm conflicted...

I started my M44 project intending to have it end up like this...
(scroll towards the bottom, the finished rifle picture is there, figure 42...)

http://www.surplusrifle.com/carbinen...nds3/index.asp

But now I'm almost finished, have it reblued, and even test fired it today, (with the stock bolt, I have the bent one on order) and no sights...but now is decision time....

It is SWEET, and also took a stripper clip like butter...(not EVERY MN does...)

If I go the "normal" route, I give up using strippers...if I go the 'Scout look" (which I like the looks of TOO,) I keep the strippers, but have to get used to the LER scope...

Here is the finished product of another guys "Scout..." "the Pics at the top...

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...ifle/index.asp

So I'll take a poll...

Help me decide! I have a big gun show next weekend where I will buy the mount and scope, so I need to know by then!

Pistolenschutze · 03-11-2006, 05:33 PM

Just my $.02 worth Polish, but I would definitely still go with the original "Black Beauty" plan. To me at least, it just looks neater and meaner, but also, I personally don't like long eye relief scopes. I never could seem to get used to them. As for the strippers, unless you plan to use the weapon for military purposes, they are not especially needful. Convenient, yes, but not really needed. For hunting, if you need more rounds than the magazine holds, you either need new eyeglasses, or whatever you're shooting at is about to have you for lunch anyway, so what does it matter?

rmrdaddy · 03-11-2006, 11:44 PM

Polish,
I'm gonna have to go against PS on this one.
I'm waiting on my C&R license, and I'm pretty sure you posted that you had picked up a few MN's when you had the opportunity. With that being said,
I'm sure that you have at least one beautiful original resto on hand... SO SCOUT IT!
Not every MN ever built will ever be brought back to it's original factory spec... AND THAT IS OK.
It seems everyone has bought or acquired what they thought was a top piece of goods, and been disappointed at the actual performance they received. What if this particular one wasn't so hot??
They used to say in the car business, NEVER buy a car that rolled off the line on a Monday OR a Friday.... Either the car was built with a hangover, or the inattention that precedes one....

Give yourself something different, add to the collection. Can you ever have too many rifles than can do almost ANYTHING?
my .02..
The Daddy

Xracer · 03-12-2006, 07:16 AM

Well......what're you gonna use it for Polish?

Handsome is as handsome does! If you're going actually go hunting with it, which would serve your particular needs better?

If you're just gonna use it for plinking and showing it off to amuse and impress your friends, go with the Scout.

If you're going to use it to actually go hunting, probably the Black Beauty would work better.

polishshooter · 03-12-2006, 08:02 AM

GREAT! It's 50-50, you guys are a GREAT help!!!

I slept on it, and think i'm going to go traditional on this one.

I have a couple more barrelled actions in the garage, so my NEXT project just might be a "Scout..."

And since I have a drill press now, it MAY just end up a "Side-mount" Scout, and be one-of-a kind all around!

And then again, I'll only have two small holes in the receiver hood if I decide to turn the Pole into a "Scout" later...

X, you are right, BUT my dilemma is I want to do BOTH. I'm not allowed to use rifles for Deer in Indiana, yet. They talk about allowing them "South of Rt.44" (Where I live and hunt, where it's hilly,) every year, but then "table it" until next year. But I've gotten invitations in the past, and may again in the future, to hunt in PA, and with my new "Region" based in Dallas, and some of my new colleagues hunters, I may get invited to hunt in TX. or another state, where people might not "understand" the tRusty '97

But then AGAIN, the "Scout" looks "meaner," and you NEVER know when I might NEED those "strippers..."

But then again one more time, I think it will be interesting to wring it out to see EXACTLY what kind of accuracy this old Mosin can do, so I'm probably better served for THAT with the traditional overbore scope. Plus I've already spent the $56 for the bent bolt that I wouldn't need with the "Scout," so I might as well USE it...

BobMcG · 03-12-2006, 10:26 AM

I had to vote traditional on this. Both are really sweet rigs but the traditional one is beyond just beautiful, it's gorgeous!

Pistolenschutze · 03-12-2006, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobMcG

I had to vote traditional on this. Both are really sweet rigs but the traditional one is beyond just beautiful, it's gorgeous!

My sentiments exactly, Bob.

polishshooter · 03-25-2006, 08:34 PM

I feel very strongly both ways!

So I'm building BOTH!

I'll post pics as I go along. The scout will be finished first, as I have everything to finish it, if I use the stock I bought for the Pole.

The bent bolt for the Pole is on order, but was informed it will be 4-5 weeks to delivery, it's only been two weeks. I still have to buy the mount, I thought I could find one cheap at the last gun show, but the cheapest I found it was $45. So I will get one from SOG for $32.95 when I pick up another stock for the Pole.

By then the Scout will be done, and I'll have it sighted in and tested. I'm looking forward to the comparison tests!

MRMIKE08075 · 03-26-2006, 10:01 AM

we just did the scout / forward mounted long eye relief conversions of a few rifles at the shop...

2 CARCANO 1938 CARBINE`s
a SPANISH 1916 CARBINE
a SPANISH FR8 CARBINE
a MOSIN 1938

all came out OK...
all were pretty cheap alternatives...
all balance well, point nice, and move well...

best regards, mike.

View Poll Results: Which way should I finish the project???? And WHY???
Traditonal Mount, with traditional Scope- Make it a HUNTING rifle that you will USE.	5	62.50%
"Scout" carbine all the way! Make Jeff Cooper proud!!!	3	37.50%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

03-11-2006, 05:17 PM	#1
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Help me Decide!!! I'm conflicted... I started my M44 project intending to have it end up like this... (scroll towards the bottom, the finished rifle picture is there, figure 42...) http://www.surplusrifle.com/carbinen...nds3/index.asp But now I'm almost finished, have it reblued, and even test fired it today, (with the stock bolt, I have the bent one on order) and no sights...but now is decision time.... It is SWEET, and also took a stripper clip like butter...(not EVERY MN does...) If I go the "normal" route, I give up using strippers...if I go the 'Scout look" (which I like the looks of TOO,) I keep the strippers, but have to get used to the LER scope... Here is the finished product of another guys "Scout..." "the Pics at the top... http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...ifle/index.asp So I'll take a poll... Help me decide! I have a big gun show next weekend where I will buy the mount and scope, so I need to know by then! __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. --> Last edited by polishshooter; 03-11-2006 at 05:22 PM..

03-11-2006, 05:33 PM	#2
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Help me Decide!!! Just my $.02 worth Polish, but I would definitely still go with the original "Black Beauty" plan. To me at least, it just looks neater and meaner, but also, I personally don't like long eye relief scopes. I never could seem to get used to them. As for the strippers, unless you plan to use the weapon for military purposes, they are not especially needful. Convenient, yes, but not really needed. For hunting, if you need more rounds than the magazine holds, you either need new eyeglasses, or whatever you're shooting at is about to have you for lunch anyway, so what does it matter? __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

03-11-2006, 11:44 PM	#3
rmrdaddy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: southern NJ Posts: 165	Re: Help me Decide!!! Polish, I'm gonna have to go against PS on this one. I'm waiting on my C&R license, and I'm pretty sure you posted that you had picked up a few MN's when you had the opportunity. With that being said, I'm sure that you have at least one beautiful original resto on hand... SO SCOUT IT! Not every MN ever built will ever be brought back to it's original factory spec... AND THAT IS OK. It seems everyone has bought or acquired what they thought was a top piece of goods, and been disappointed at the actual performance they received. What if this particular one wasn't so hot?? They used to say in the car business, NEVER buy a car that rolled off the line on a Monday OR a Friday.... Either the car was built with a hangover, or the inattention that precedes one.... Give yourself something different, add to the collection. Can you ever have too many rifles than can do almost ANYTHING? my .02.. The Daddy

03-12-2006, 07:16 AM	#4
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: Help me Decide!!! Well......what're you gonna use it for Polish? Handsome is as handsome does! If you're going actually go hunting with it, which would serve your particular needs better? If you're just gonna use it for plinking and showing it off to amuse and impress your friends, go with the Scout. If you're going to use it to actually go hunting, probably the Black Beauty would work better.

03-12-2006, 08:02 AM	#5
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: Help me Decide!!! GREAT! It's 50-50, you guys are a GREAT help!!! I slept on it, and think i'm going to go traditional on this one. I have a couple more barrelled actions in the garage, so my NEXT project just might be a "Scout..." And since I have a drill press now, it MAY just end up a "Side-mount" Scout, and be one-of-a kind all around! And then again, I'll only have two small holes in the receiver hood if I decide to turn the Pole into a "Scout" later... X, you are right, BUT my dilemma is I want to do BOTH. I'm not allowed to use rifles for Deer in Indiana, yet. They talk about allowing them "South of Rt.44" (Where I live and hunt, where it's hilly,) every year, but then "table it" until next year. But I've gotten invitations in the past, and may again in the future, to hunt in PA, and with my new "Region" based in Dallas, and some of my new colleagues hunters, I may get invited to hunt in TX. or another state, where people might not "understand" the tRusty '97 But then AGAIN, the "Scout" looks "meaner," and you NEVER know when I might NEED those "strippers..." But then again one more time, I think it will be interesting to wring it out to see EXACTLY what kind of accuracy this old Mosin can do, so I'm probably better served for THAT with the traditional overbore scope. Plus I've already spent the $56 for the bent bolt that I wouldn't need with the "Scout," so I might as well USE it... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Last edited by polishshooter; 03-12-2006 at 08:24 AM..

03-12-2006, 10:26 AM	#6
BobMcG Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Twilight Zone. Contributor Posts: 1,119	Re: Help me Decide!!! I had to vote traditional on this. Both are really sweet rigs but the traditional one is beyond just beautiful, it's gorgeous!

03-25-2006, 08:34 PM	#8
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: Help me Decide!!! I feel very strongly both ways! So I'm building BOTH! I'll post pics as I go along. The scout will be finished first, as I have everything to finish it, if I use the stock I bought for the Pole. The bent bolt for the Pole is on order, but was informed it will be 4-5 weeks to delivery, it's only been two weeks. I still have to buy the mount, I thought I could find one cheap at the last gun show, but the cheapest I found it was $45. So I will get one from SOG for $32.95 when I pick up another stock for the Pole. By then the Scout will be done, and I'll have it sighted in and tested. I'm looking forward to the comparison tests! __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

03-26-2006, 10:01 AM	#9
MRMIKE08075 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 384	Re: Help me Decide!!! we just did the scout / forward mounted long eye relief conversions of a few rifles at the shop... 2 CARCANO 1938 CARBINE`s a SPANISH 1916 CARBINE a SPANISH FR8 CARBINE a MOSIN 1938 all came out OK... all were pretty cheap alternatives... all balance well, point nice, and move well... best regards, mike.