Good 9mm

[MRMIKE08075]

i currently carry a S&W MODEL 469 COMPACT...

originaly designed to meet an US AIR FORCE contract specs...

early second gen wonder nine...

many features that are considered custom shop options today...

of course i also have carried:
STAR MODEL A (1922 VARIANT)
STAR MODEL SUPER B
STAR MODEL BM
FRENCH MODELE 1950
VIS RADOM
RUGER GP100 (yes, in 9MM)

i have always had a hankering for the CHARTER ARMS BULLDOG in 9MM FEDERAL (a rimmed 9MM LUGER)...

and i did carry a JAP TYPE 26 revolver chambered in 9mm RIMMED JAPANESE once upon a time...


the current crop of EAA wonder nines is worth a look...

best regards, mike.

[stetson]

Sw99,great trigger!

[llama.45]

cz-85

[Bernie109]

If you want what many call "The first and finest" Go for a Browning P-35 AKA "Hi Power. To this day, many consider it the M1911 of 9mm's. In fact, that is exactly what it is!

[stash247]

Originally Posted by Bernie109

If you want what many call "The first and finest" Go for a Browning P-35 AKA "Hi Power. To this day, many consider it the M1911 of 9mm's. In fact, that is exactly what it is!

Bernie, and board, I have used the Hi-Power, M1935, whatever, on 4 continents, with whatever ammo was available. One of the five pistols consumed somewhere around 20,000 rounds. Some of the ammo would give heart failure, if one looked at pressure, I am told, way too late, but none of the weapons gave a whimper, while in service.
For a ccw, it is large, but manageable, with good leather.
It is kind to small hands, and amenable, to larger.
I would compare it to arms like the Garrand, the 1911 Colt, the M-52 winchester, and the M-700 Remington; ie, 'Best of breed', in the caliber!!!
During my first career, I did have the best of the best, overseeing my weapons, and they did on occasion, modify them in many ways, but the bottom line is that in a lot of years, this was the infallible weapon!

[LDBennett]

I have a Charles Daley Hi Power (made by FEG) and while it is not a real Browning it is made with the same design. If you are after a target gun, the trigger on the HP is terrible by design. It has the dreaded magazine safety (as all 22 pistols sold in California will now be required to have) and the design totally interfers with a good trigger job. The only solution is to remove that safety to get a decent target level trigger. After it is gone the trigger can be as good as any out there.

LDBennett

[stash247]

Actually, LD, the trigger has an extra link, in the slide, making it impossible to make trigger pull as clean as a 1911 pistol, from an engineering standpoint!
Still, I've shot several with triggers in the 3# range, which is as good as it gets for a P-35 design, though they took much more work than the equivalent in a 1911!

[LDBennett]

stash247:

I have done trigger jobs on both the HP and my Colt 1911 as well as many other pistols. "extra links" can make a difference in the leverage or the feel of the takeup but when the trigger is loaded and the creep absorbed, the feel of the letoff can be the nearly the same on all triggers. At least that is my experience (yours may differ).

That being said I have found that the sweetest trigger as tested in my gunsmithing room at home can seem heavy or have no feel of lightness when shot on the range under the stress of shooting. If the creep is minimised (after the initial takeup), the pull less than 5# (better if less than 3#), the overtravel minimised, most guns are deemed to have very good triggers regardless of "extra links".

Admittedly some trigger designs can not get to near perfect as they have "features" of the design, such as how disconnection works or in the HP case the magazine safety, that limit their feel when trigger jobs are done on them. My CZ75B with its single stage CZ factory part installed has to be adjusted for a little extra overtravel to allow the disconnection and trigger reset feature to work, for example, which leaves the overtravel less than perfect. Every trigger system is a little different and some do work out good while others, even with tons of work, never are perfect.

The single thing that has made trigger jobs "easier" for me was the AGI "Trigger Job" course. It is a bit pricey but it took all the magic out of doing trigger jobs and made each one actually simple and safe. No other reading material (or video as in the AGI course) covered this topic in this way that reduces every trigger job to basically one approach that always works rathter than a different unique method for every trigger system. Admittedly some trigger systems require more work or cannot get to the perfection of others but with the AGI knowledge all your trigger jobs can be realitively easy, very good, and very safe.

LDBennett

[im_chat2003]

Could anyone please tell me when the new Beretta 90Two 9mm handguns will be available? I think those are the baddest handguns ever made, when I looked at them on the website.

[southernshooter]

Welcome to the forum They are good lookin guns. Hopefully the shoot as well
as the 92

[tony stark]

All you have to say is the Browning Hi-power!
Of the 3 nines I got (Springfield XD, Beretta 92 and the Hi-power)
The Browning is a real pistol.
The Springfield is plastic.
The Beretta is really big.
The Hi-power is just right!!!

[Kentuckian]

Originally Posted by thunderstruck507

Kinda interested in some options for a new 9mm

NO GLOCK ALLOWED. I don't care for the look, feel, or mechanics of them.

Any ideas for me to look at?

S&W 3913. I have one, and it's a very nice pistol, easy to conceal, accurate, 8+1. Only bad thing is that the magazines are rather expensive.

[thunderstruck507]

well i've been low on cash for a good while, but i've been keeping an eye open anyway

not worried about concealing, that new beretta looks amazing, I like my roommates 92 so i'd like to handle one of those new ones and see how they compare

[navyvet]

CZ or Makarov or FEG PA 63

[phlmorgan]

I own two 9's and my favorite is the Ruger P-95. Won't break the bank to buy and is very accurate. Good lookin also.

[Tony Mig]

Originally Posted by im_chat2003

Could anyone please tell me when the new Beretta 90Two 9mm handguns will be available? I think those are the baddest handguns ever made, when I looked at them on the website.

I saw one today at Lawmen Supply in Hammonton, NJ...and it is one bad assed looking weapon. If they made them in .45acp, I would have bought it instead of the Sig P220 I purchased this morning.

The original request of this thread is too open ended, it all depends on what you want out of the gun. Will it be strictly a range blaster, will serve as a home defense weapon as well, do you plan to carry it concealed......?

A good CCW 9mm won't be of much use or fun if you plan to spend a lot of time with it on the range, and a good range weapon will most likely be too big & heavy to carry on your belt all day tucked under your shirt....besides it'll likely print through your clothing, and not be very concealed.....

I've owned the Beretta 92, and the XD-9, both very good guns in their own right. The Browning High Power is the 9mm classic of all time. The new Beretta looks like a winner, but I don't know anyone that's fired it yet. The CZ has an outstanding rep for reliability, accuracy, and overall feel....

My advice, take your time, go to as many gun shops as you can find, look over as many 9mm handguns as you can, check out the manufacturer's websites to see what spec's & features each model has to offer. Another thing to think about, you said you tried one Sig, and didn't like it. It could be that particular gun had a trigger set-up that you didn't like. Sig's come with a wide variety of trigger choices....(DA/SA, SAO, DAK....) plus they also offer up graded versions of most models....(Equinox, Blackwater....)....and these models may come with lighter triggers, different feeling grips, better sights.

Don't be in a hurry my friend, shopping is half the fun, if you take your time, and choose right, the other fun half will be a gun in your hands that you absolutely love to shoot, and will have hours of enjoyment with it. I've made my share of rash, quick decisions, only to regret my choice in a very short time, and this is a very easy thing to do on your first gun purchase......

Good luck....

[thunderstruck507]

I held a ninety two today, it was an amazing gun. I would really like one but I don't know if I could shell out the $660 for a new one...

[MidnightRambler]

I've owned dozens of different guns, including Hi Powers, HKs, Sigs, Berettas, Glocks, XDs, Witnesses.
I'm casting my vote too for the Ruger P95. Cheap, reliable, has a safety, I love mine.

[JohnGerald]

My sons gave me a Hi Power Practical two years ago (Bless those boys!) and after a trigger job, it is a great pistol to shoot, but after a friend had a safety catch on clothing and go to the firing position, I got a bit wary about carrying it fully loaded. I now carry a Beretta 92 FS with Crimson Trace lasergrips. As others have noted, it is a sweet piece to shoot.

But now Beretta has this new Px4 Storm that I've been lusting after ...

[AGB]

Hi Power, SW 39, CZ75, top 1911 clones in 9mm and SIG 226. I'm no big fan of 9mm since they are considered an army caliber here, not normally allowed for shooters, but if I were to chosse, would go the way I wrote up. Used a BHP and loved it, the 39 is ok to me also. I have the SW 52 and like it a lot, the 39 is quite close in hand fitting

[MRMIKE08075]

TONY MIG

ever been to WALTS RELOADING in Delran NJ???

if yes, then we have met.

best regards, mike.

[DFW65]

Springfield XD fits and points much better in my hand than a Glock does and I love Glocks. However, I traded my last Glock 19 for a XD in 9mm.

Go to a gunshop that has a good selection and try various pistols and see what fits well. Even better if you have a range that has a good selection of rental pistols.

[shooter]

Originally Posted by DFW65

Springfield XD fits and points much better in my hand than a Glock does and I love Glocks. However, I traded my last Glock 19 for a XD in 9mm.

Go to a gunshop that has a good selection and try various pistols and see what fits well. Even better if you have a range that has a good selection of rental pistols.

for me the glock 23 was just perfect for my hands..but i settled on the springfield xd 40..it had less muzzle flip and i was better at hitting the tartget with it

[SKYDIVER386]

I personally consider the CZ inspired Witness pistols to be some of the best around. Not the poly framed guns mind you, but the steel framed pistols.

I have had several of the CZ pistols and they are great guns for the price. I like the Italian made Witness pistols because there are hundreds of factory parts available to convert the gun into nearly anything you like. Caliber conversion kits, .22lr conversion kits, grips, sights, mags, barrels, muzzle brakes, etc.

I have 3 of the Tanfoglio Witness pistols. A Gold team match pistol with .45ACP and 10MM upper conversions, a Silver team match pistol with .45ACP and .38 super/9x23 Win uppers, and a standard 9mm Witness. After owning dozens of centerfire pistols, including 1911's, Brownings, S&W's, etc., I have found that I like these guns the best.

The 10mm Gold team that I have proved to me once and for all how tough the CZ design is. Mine has swallowed over 2,000 rounds of FULL POWER Norma 10mm ammo with no problems. I know of no other pistol on the planet, including the Glock that can match that kind of reliability. The 10mm will destroy most pistols in short order. Just my not so humble opinion.

[Peanut Man]

Anybody tried the new Kel-Tec 9mm single-stack? I love my P3AT .380 but obviously a 9mm would be nice in a similar sized package. The new K-T sounds pretty good.

Peanut Man