Just the Facts - The Firearms Forum

Tracker · 03-19-2006, 04:59 PM

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/modul...ticle&sid=3028

The Toledo Blade has published two excellent letters to the
editor in which writers respond to a bigoted and derogatory
op-ed published recently by anti-gun extremist Marilou
Johanek.

Having once expressed her (very wrong) prediction that
concealed carry would present Ohio with a "worst-case scenario
when road, work, or play rage finds a trigger within easy
reach", Johanek deserves to have her credibility questioned by
readers of the Toledo Blade.

March 16, 2006
Toledo Blade

Facts ease fears about gun law

Rather than play to the irrational fears of people who don't
really understand the pros and cons of concealed carry,
perhaps Blade columnist Marilou Johanek should look at the
facts:

1. Every jurisdiction in which concealed carry has been passed
has experienced a reduction in crime, especially violent
crime.

2. Since the passage of Ohio's concealed-carry law two years
ago, there has not been a single instance of a "bad shoot" by
any licensed carrier.

3. No other state has required concealed-carry license holders
to jump through hoops to keep their pistols "in plain sight"
or locked up in a vehicle. Extra handling of firearms
increases safety risks and a locked-up firearm is useless in
the kind of emergency that influences people to have them in
the first place.

4. The efficacy of concealed carry for reducing crime depends,
in part, on people not knowing who is armed and who is not.
That way, all potential victims are potentially armed and
criminals are deterred. Making public the information about
who is armed takes away that advantage from those who are not.

5. Concealed-carry license holders are one-third as likely as
the average citizen to commit any crime. They are one-seventh
as likely as the average citizen to commit a violent crime.

6. Concealed-carry license holders must pass a thorough
criminal-records check in order to be licensed. Can you say
that about the person standing next to you in the checkout
line, the one who is, perhaps, carrying illegally?

Law-abiding citizens exercise their right

In response to Marilou Johanek's rant and her extreme dislike
of a constitutional right, I ask her what is the problem with
licensed individuals who pass a state and federal background
check carrying a concealed gun? These people who jump through
all the hoops and training to get a license have proven that
they are the most trustworthy and law-abiding of citizens.

We are not talking about criminals here, as in Ms. Johanek's
complete disdain for anybody who believes in this right would
have us think. Licensed concealed carry for the State of Ohio
is a law that does need some fixing. What good is this state
law if cities can circumvent or make up their own laws? I
can't understand why she is so opposed to law-abiding people
exercising a right when we all benefit because the criminals
in society don't know who is or who isn't armed.

I thank our founders for adding that pesky Second Amendment to
our Constitution.

Marlin T · 03-19-2006, 11:54 PM

Quote:

I thank our founders for adding that pesky Second Amendment to
our Constitution.

Amen!!

Great article that one is. Facts bear out the "Streets are going to run with blood" statement that is SO common.

Edit about Reagan. He wasn't a real supporter of the second amendment, you know that right?

Marlin · 03-20-2006, 09:36 AM

It's very true. Reagen was the best we've had since the earliest days,

BUT - -

he wasn't thrilled about the Second......

Meplat · 03-20-2006, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Edit about Reagan. He wasn't a real supporter of the second amendment, you know that right?

Could you enlighten me on this subject? I seem to remember Ronnie's daughter getting on camera just as soon as she was able, talking about how guns were now going to be outlawed and this would "NEVER" happen again, and her Daddy taking her to task before his stitches were even out from the assassination attempt. Did I miss something?

Tracker · 03-20-2006, 11:30 AM

http://www.2ndamendment.com/Content/...0040616-03.htm

I personally did not agree with Reagan on several issues, however ---the Media--as you know--will twist the facts to fit their agenda. My signature is a statement made by Reagan that I firmly agree with, and History will prove his support of the "peoples" rights. I am quick to condemn, therefore I must be quick to condone.

Reagan came by his support for 2nd Amendment honestly

6/16/2004
GrandForks.com
GRAND FORKS - History will remember Ronald Reagan as one of America's
greatest presidents, but long before he was recognized as the man who
helped win the Cold War, he was a genuine hero to a woman named Melba
King.

According to recently-surfaced reports, when Reagan was a radio
sportscaster in Des Moines, Iowa back in the fall of 1933, he came to the
rescue - gun in hand - of King, who then was a 22-year-old nursing
student. King recently recalled the incident to a Des Moines television
station, noting that a mugger had come up from behind to rob her, outside
the rooming house where Reagan was living.

The robbery was thwarted when Reagan appeared in a second-floor window,
gripping a .45-caliber pistol and telling the mugger to "leave her alone
or I'll shoot you right between the shoulders."

Small wonder, then, that the man who would later become president
understood the value of gun ownership. During his time as president,
Reagan signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which was written to
protect law-abiding gun owners from harassment for merely exercising their
constitutional right to own firearms.

President Reagan understood that honest gun owners are not a threat. After
all, the man took a bullet less than three months into his first term, yet
never used that as an excuse to make his office a bully pulpit for gun
bans or repeal of the Second Amendment. He clearly separated the act of
madman John Hinckley from the everyday actions of millions of
legally-armed citizens.

President Reagan was a man of common values with the uncommon good sense
not to compromise them. He learned from personal experience that good
people could, and should, be trusted with firearms, and that their civil
rights - including the right of self-defense - are not negotiable. That's
as true today as it was that night in 1933.

Mark D. Peterson

Reagan supported

NRA and vice-versa

KENNEDY, Minn. - A great president, patriot and man was buried June 11.
But NBC's Katie Couric and Sarah Brady didn't even have the common decency
to wait untill after President Reagan's funeral was completed before they
shamelessly tried to forward their gun-ban agenda with blatant lies.

In 1983, Reagan proudly accepted the National Rifle Association's highest
honor, an honorary life membership. But Brady claimed "he wasn't an NRA
member" and that he "worked hard" for passage of the so-called "assault
weapons" ban.

In fact, Reagan owned an AR-15 and was a strong and consistent supporter
of the Second Amendment and the NRA.

He actively courted the NRA's endorsement and was the first presidential
candidate in history to get it.

He was the first and, to date, only sitting president to speak at the NRA
annual meeting, at which he said, in part, "the NRA believes America's
laws were made to be obeyed and that our Constitutional liberties are just
as important today as 200 years ago. And by the way, the Constitution does
not say government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms.

"The Constitution says, 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms
shall not be infringed.'"

In 1986, Reagan signed the Firearms Owners Protection Act and never blamed
law-abiding gun owners for the actions of criminals.

Couric and Brady's attempt to rewrite history not only is outrageous, but
also it indicates the indecent lengths the media will go to in order to
advance their anti-self protection agenda.

D.J. Hammond

Meplat · 03-20-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

My signature is a statement made by Reagan that I firmly agree with, and History will prove his support of the "peoples" rights.

Tracker, this is the Ronald W. Reagan that I remember. He was the first presidential candidate I ever had the privilege to vote for, and for the life of me, I can't rember a single time this gun-owning, gun toting good old boy from down South ever regretted that vote due to Mr. Reagan's stances on gun ownership. I will admit that I was a young man not overly given to political analysis at that point in my life, and would rather have spent time on the ground looking up for tree rats, or time in the trees looking down for Bambi, but I feel as if I were at least fairly well informed on politicians' stances on things that were near and dear to me.

By the time his second term rolled around, I was a father, and thus far more interested in the politics of the times. I still cannont, as a gun owner and lover of things that go boom and are accurate, recall a single instance when RWR ever lead me to feel let down in regards to my rights to keep and bear arms.

Guess that's the reason for my confusion re: Reagan not "being a great friend of the 2nd amendment".

Tracker · 03-20-2006, 04:52 PM

Meplat--your making me homesick---haven"t heard "treerats" since I left the hills of Tenn. HaHaHa. Your right--I also cannot remember a time when he turned his back on our 2nd amend rights, as I stated in my earlier post " the media will twist the facts to fit their agenda ". I had issues with some of the things that happened under his admin, as we do under every administration. However--- I can find no reason to believe that he did not support the 2nd amendment. If anyone has documentation stating otherwise { other than from the Brady Bunch } I would love to read it.

Meplat · 03-20-2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Meplat--your making me homesick---haven"t heard "treerats" since I left the hills of Tenn.

Know this is off topic, but as a fellow Tennessee native, I certainly hope you keep tree rat heads for later use with biscuits and gravy. So many folks down thisaway throw them away -what a waste! And this nigh on to Louisiana, where they'll eat most anything what don't eat them first.

03-19-2006, 04:59 PM	#1
Tracker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake County Ohio Posts: 202	Just the Facts http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/modul...ticle&sid=3028 The Toledo Blade has published two excellent letters to the editor in which writers respond to a bigoted and derogatory op-ed published recently by anti-gun extremist Marilou Johanek. Having once expressed her (very wrong) prediction that concealed carry would present Ohio with a "worst-case scenario when road, work, or play rage finds a trigger within easy reach", Johanek deserves to have her credibility questioned by readers of the Toledo Blade. March 16, 2006 Toledo Blade Facts ease fears about gun law Rather than play to the irrational fears of people who don't really understand the pros and cons of concealed carry, perhaps Blade columnist Marilou Johanek should look at the facts: 1. Every jurisdiction in which concealed carry has been passed has experienced a reduction in crime, especially violent crime. 2. Since the passage of Ohio's concealed-carry law two years ago, there has not been a single instance of a "bad shoot" by any licensed carrier. 3. No other state has required concealed-carry license holders to jump through hoops to keep their pistols "in plain sight" or locked up in a vehicle. Extra handling of firearms increases safety risks and a locked-up firearm is useless in the kind of emergency that influences people to have them in the first place. 4. The efficacy of concealed carry for reducing crime depends, in part, on people not knowing who is armed and who is not. That way, all potential victims are potentially armed and criminals are deterred. Making public the information about who is armed takes away that advantage from those who are not. 5. Concealed-carry license holders are one-third as likely as the average citizen to commit any crime. They are one-seventh as likely as the average citizen to commit a violent crime. 6. Concealed-carry license holders must pass a thorough criminal-records check in order to be licensed. Can you say that about the person standing next to you in the checkout line, the one who is, perhaps, carrying illegally? Law-abiding citizens exercise their right In response to Marilou Johanek's rant and her extreme dislike of a constitutional right, I ask her what is the problem with licensed individuals who pass a state and federal background check carrying a concealed gun? These people who jump through all the hoops and training to get a license have proven that they are the most trustworthy and law-abiding of citizens. We are not talking about criminals here, as in Ms. Johanek's complete disdain for anybody who believes in this right would have us think. Licensed concealed carry for the State of Ohio is a law that does need some fixing. What good is this state law if cities can circumvent or make up their own laws? I can't understand why she is so opposed to law-abiding people exercising a right when we all benefit because the criminals in society don't know who is or who isn't armed. I thank our founders for adding that pesky Second Amendment to our Constitution. __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -- Ronald Reagan "We The People" "The Pro Gun Blog" -->

03-20-2006, 09:36 AM	#3
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: Just the Facts It's very true. Reagen was the best we've had since the earliest days, BUT - - he wasn't thrilled about the Second...... __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

03-20-2006, 11:30 AM	#5
Tracker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake County Ohio Posts: 202	Re: Just the Facts http://www.2ndamendment.com/Content/...0040616-03.htm I personally did not agree with Reagan on several issues, however ---the Media--as you know--will twist the facts to fit their agenda. My signature is a statement made by Reagan that I firmly agree with, and History will prove his support of the "peoples" rights. I am quick to condemn, therefore I must be quick to condone. Reagan came by his support for 2nd Amendment honestly 6/16/2004 GrandForks.com GRAND FORKS - History will remember Ronald Reagan as one of America's greatest presidents, but long before he was recognized as the man who helped win the Cold War, he was a genuine hero to a woman named Melba King. According to recently-surfaced reports, when Reagan was a radio sportscaster in Des Moines, Iowa back in the fall of 1933, he came to the rescue - gun in hand - of King, who then was a 22-year-old nursing student. King recently recalled the incident to a Des Moines television station, noting that a mugger had come up from behind to rob her, outside the rooming house where Reagan was living. The robbery was thwarted when Reagan appeared in a second-floor window, gripping a .45-caliber pistol and telling the mugger to "leave her alone or I'll shoot you right between the shoulders." Small wonder, then, that the man who would later become president understood the value of gun ownership. During his time as president, Reagan signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which was written to protect law-abiding gun owners from harassment for merely exercising their constitutional right to own firearms. President Reagan understood that honest gun owners are not a threat. After all, the man took a bullet less than three months into his first term, yet never used that as an excuse to make his office a bully pulpit for gun bans or repeal of the Second Amendment. He clearly separated the act of madman John Hinckley from the everyday actions of millions of legally-armed citizens. President Reagan was a man of common values with the uncommon good sense not to compromise them. He learned from personal experience that good people could, and should, be trusted with firearms, and that their civil rights - including the right of self-defense - are not negotiable. That's as true today as it was that night in 1933. Mark D. Peterson Reagan supported NRA and vice-versa KENNEDY, Minn. - A great president, patriot and man was buried June 11. But NBC's Katie Couric and Sarah Brady didn't even have the common decency to wait untill after President Reagan's funeral was completed before they shamelessly tried to forward their gun-ban agenda with blatant lies. In 1983, Reagan proudly accepted the National Rifle Association's highest honor, an honorary life membership. But Brady claimed "he wasn't an NRA member" and that he "worked hard" for passage of the so-called "assault weapons" ban. In fact, Reagan owned an AR-15 and was a strong and consistent supporter of the Second Amendment and the NRA. He actively courted the NRA's endorsement and was the first presidential candidate in history to get it. He was the first and, to date, only sitting president to speak at the NRA annual meeting, at which he said, in part, "the NRA believes America's laws were made to be obeyed and that our Constitutional liberties are just as important today as 200 years ago. And by the way, the Constitution does not say government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms. "The Constitution says, 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'" In 1986, Reagan signed the Firearms Owners Protection Act and never blamed law-abiding gun owners for the actions of criminals. Couric and Brady's attempt to rewrite history not only is outrageous, but also it indicates the indecent lengths the media will go to in order to advance their anti-self protection agenda. D.J. Hammond __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -- Ronald Reagan "We The People" "The Pro Gun Blog"

03-20-2006, 04:52 PM	#7
Tracker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake County Ohio Posts: 202	Re: Just the Facts Meplat--your making me homesick---haven"t heard "treerats" since I left the hills of Tenn. HaHaHa. Your right--I also cannot remember a time when he turned his back on our 2nd amend rights, as I stated in my earlier post " the media will twist the facts to fit their agenda ". I had issues with some of the things that happened under his admin, as we do under every administration. However--- I can find no reason to believe that he did not support the 2nd amendment. If anyone has documentation stating otherwise { other than from the Brady Bunch } I would love to read it. __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -- Ronald Reagan "We The People" "The Pro Gun Blog"