who uses stripper clips?

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by polishshooter

If I did that , PS, I would have ANOTHER way to appreciate the "detachable, but not meant to be detached," and it would PROBABLY happen with a dull bayonet.....

I have no doubt, Polish, and the same kind of situation would pertain here as well were I to do it. Besides, singing soprano somehow holds little allure for me.

[DWARREN123]

I have Mauser's, M-N's and SKS's and like load by hand best. Just me and most people say I'm not wrapped too tight.

[stash247]

I've got 'Stripper clip loaders' for my SLR, and for the Mini-14's, AR-15's and a couple of other rifles I once owned.
Great Idea--- IF the ammo that you are shooting, comes in stripper clips!
Years ago, and miles away, ammo, in the 5.56 persuasion, came that way, as delivered, in bandoliers; made loading mags very quick and easy!
BUT, if, today, I had to put the little bullets into the clip, in order, later, to push them out, I would just load the mags, a bullet at a time, and avoid the extra step!
Mostly, I shoot single shots.
All the best, Terry

[Mosin_Nagant_Fan]

I have a Mosin-Nagant and I use stripper clips all the time when I'm shotting it; It saves my fingernails from being pealed off.

As for my Marlin 795, I've yet to shoot it and haven't found a .22lr speed loader for the 10rnd magazines. Anyone know of one that'll work?

[SigSauer P229]

I use them to carry ammo to the range. I don't mind hand loading my sks, I can be sure the ammo is loaded properly by hand loading.

[USMC-03]

I use stripper clips for three rifles;
My Winchester 70 match rifle for reloading during cross the course rapid fire strings,
My 1903A3 for rapids during JCG matches,
And my 1903 sporter hunting rifle - a great way to keep my ammo together.

[Pistolenschutze]

I saw a stripper in a clip joint once (well, maybe more than once). Does that count?

[jeanp1948]

I used stripper clips all the time when I had my SKS, worked slick as you know what.
I use them on my Turkish Mauser because my milsurp ammo are on the clips. They work great.
The only rifle I have that stripper work piss poor is my M44 Mosin. Tried several types and hand-loading is the only way to go.

[buffalo jump]

I use them on my .30 cal. carbine and my AR15. I like them.

[polishshooter]

Yeah, Jean, one thing I found out is each Mosin seems to work with strippers differently, I have several that take then smoothly, like butter, every time, some that like the brass ones but not the steel, and vice versa, and some that don't like them at all, and have gotten some nasty cuts on my thumb trying to load them quickly! That is my SECOND function test after headspace and feed. THEN comes the accuracy test, if it's accurate AND takes a stripper nicely it's usually a keeper...

But I found a site that explained why, but I didn't save it like a dummy...the gist of it is that the ORIGINAL stripper clips were slightly different than the more recent stamped ones that were first available from Tapco, but now are everywhere...and the site even showed how to modify the "new" ones, but it looked hard to do...

It seems that the originals actually had parallel guides for the rim, and the back of the stripper was actually flat, with the inside bend 90 degrees and so held the body of the round the whole way from the rim, while the Tapco ones are slanted, with the back actually bowed a little, and only start to grab the round farther up from the rim, which allows for a lot of "slop" with the rounds since the whole rim isn't under control.

The modification was literally hammering the clips down using fired steel cases, or a metal spacer the same thickness of the rims, and forming them like the originals.

I found a stripper clip guy at a show once that had some supposed originals, but he wanted like $4 or $5 apiece for them, and I had spent a lot of money already so I passed. If I see him the next show I might just buy one to try, and if it works, I can use it as a pattern.

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by polishshooter

THEN comes the accuracy test, if it's accurate AND takes a stripper nicely it's usually a

But Polish, aren't you placing an unfair burden on those poor ol' Mosins to meet? Now, of course, if you were talking about Mausers every one would be a keeper.

[jeanp1948]

Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

But Polish, aren't you placing an unfair burden on those poor ol' Mosins to meet? Now, of course, if you were talking about Mausers every one would be a keeper.

Pistol you have a good point. Comparing a Mauser to a Mosin is like comparing a Lexus with a Yugo! I only bought the Mosin because it was cheap and so was the ammo (at that time anyway) My Turk Mauser is a tack-driver from day one. My SKS(gone) and my Mosin are not what you would call long distance shooters. My Mosin did improve some with a composite stock and a rear sight mounted pistol scope. I also like the impact of the old 7.62x54R round. My former SKS hit just about like a .30-30. My Enfield is also a good long range shooter once you get use to the open sights, not the easiest to sight in.

[polishshooter]

Originally Posted by jeanp1948

Pistol you have a good point. Comparing a Mauser to a Mosin is like comparing a Lexus with a Yugo!

And I thought I was going to like you jean...

C'mon, while I WILL grant you Mausers are a little better put together, at least because it took longer machining time to build one than a Mosin, but that comparison is pretty harsh...


I would say it would be more like comparing a Chevy to a Cadillac....


But you must have gotten a Mosin that was shot out, to have that crappy performance, heck I've owned and shot 30+ of all types and even the crappy ones shot well; granted, some a little better than others, but as far as accuracy, a stock Mosin, even the 20 inch carbines, with a decent barrel will stay with a stock Mauser with a decent barrel all day...and not ONLY because the sights are better...able to be used dead on at 100 yds, not by guess and by gosh with the 300 yd lowest setting of the Mauser sight...

[jeanp1948]

Originally Posted by polishshooter

And I thought I was going to like you jean...

C'mon, while I WILL grant you Mauser's are a little better put together, at least because it took longer machining time to build one than a Mosin, but that comparison is pretty harsh...


I would say it would be more like comparing a Chevy to a Cadillac....


But you must have gotten a Mosin that was shot out, to have that crappy performance, heck I've owned and shot 30+ of all types and even the crappy ones shot well; granted, some a little better than others, but as far as accuracy, a stock Mosin, even the 20 inch carbines, with a decent barrel will stay with a stock Mauser with a decent barrel all day...and not ONLY because the sights are better...able to be used dead on at 100 yds, not by guess and by gosh with the 300 yd lowest setting of the Mauser sight...

I hope that I have not offended you beyond repair! The problem I have with MY Mosin is that I have had nothing but problems with the bolt and trigger. I have swapped bolts, cleaned the bolt bore with a wire brush attached to a drill because of what I was told about the laminated casings on the ammo. At first I had to kick the bolt open with my hand to open it. When I swapped with a friend in Texas his bolt worked better but it's now the creepy trigger pull that causes me a problem with a decent squeeze so I can put 'em where I want. This is the only Mosin I ever shot so I may have a lemon. I have made a few bucks selling on eBay so I might buy one of those $100 jobs with the laminated stock and start all over again with the rear sight mounted scope. Some of the times I have to pull the bolt up again to fire as it won't fire on the first feeding of a round. No one seems to have an answer to this problem so I assumed it was the rifle. It's frustrating because my old Turk Mauser chambers like butter!

jeanp1948

[polishshooter]

Don't worry, jean, I don't get offended very easily, ask PS...now I have been accused of offendING before, but trust me, I don't intend it if I ever do...I just get passionate about some things....

Wow, you really DO have a lemon, I have NEVER even HEARD of some of those problems, much less experienced them with any I've owned, and I've owned some RATTY ones...

It's funny how one experience can "taint" our opinion of 12 million weapons!

As to the "creepy" trigger, it's funny how such a simple trigger with so few parts can be affected by so much.

First, check for burrs, especially on the base of the bolt lug, on the lug of the bolt stop, but mainly around the base of the groove of the guide rod on the bolt guide. Don't ask me WHY it affects it so much, but just a few teeny burrs arond the concave end at the base of the guide rod can really affect it...I have smoothed up a lot of triggers by first touching up and removing any burthere with a little rat tail file, then polishing the guide rod with some steel wool.

Then just polish, (don't remove ANY metal EXCEPT if you feel a burr with your fingernail...) the lug on the bolt, and the lug on the bolt stop, make sure they slide away nicely...THAT is where you fell the "break", if the bearing angle" is worn, it might drag a little there.

The only other thing is I've found a LOT of variance between sears/bolt stops between Mosins...I have quite a few, and I one got frustrated with an M44, that was beautiful, but the trigger was atrocious. I tried everything, and no go.

I happen to have 4 91/30s, that I keep on display just to show the progression and differences, from a 1920 hex transition, to a 1931 hex Tula to a prewar 1942 Izhevsk, and a wartime 1943 Izhevsk...

Anyway, the '31 Tula had a SWEET trigger, well worn, smooth, light, broke like glass. Now I don't shoot the 91/30s much, preferring the carbines, so I got a bug up my butt, and switched out EVERYTHING between the two rifles, bolt, sear stop AND trigger, along with the sear screw, and trigger pin......and was VERY surprised...

The Tula STILL had a decent trigger, with all the M44 parts! Just perceptively different, maybe a LITTLE stiffer, but still smooth and crisp...and the M44 got noticeably better, but not anywhere NEAR as good as the same components on the Tula! Then I got creative, switching out components one at a time, and eventually game up with a trigger for the Tula ALMOST as good as it was, and for the M44 a LOT better than it was...

I can't explain that either...


See if you can try the other bolt in your gun with his sear/bolt stop and trigger too, while you are at it....


Finally, you can lighten the pull easily by shimming under the sear...take a beer can, and open it up and lay the sheet of aluminum out on a board (You gotta love any modifications that start with "take a beer can" right?)

Drill a bunch of holes through the can, about 1/2 inch apart or so, maybe a little more, large enough so the bolt stop screw will fit the hole..

Then with snips, cut out a square of the aluminum around each hole, about 1/2 inch square, The MOST I have ever used was 4 shims, you usually only use one or two...

Then take install one shim UNDER the sear spring/bolt stop, and reinstall everything, and try it..it should be noticeably lighter.

You keep going one shim at a time, until the bolt stop engagement doesn't work any mor and the rifle doesn't stay cocked...and then remove one shim and you should be fine. If you are a little scared of the engagement, or you think the trigger is a little TOO light, remove another shim.

MY guess especially since you switched out bolts is you have a burr on either the trigger, or the bolt stop face. Or else your other bolt has a burr in the SAME place as yours (not uncommon!) and due to other relationships, it doesn't effect his but it does yours.

One other thing, check the hole/slot in the bottom of the receiver race above the trigger that the bolt stop lug passes through...it might have a burr, that's causing the lug to drag...I almost forgot, I had that happen ONE time.....the lug should not be touching any part of that slot.

[jeanp1948]

Polish:

I will try those suggestions before I give up on my M44. Thanks for all the tech advise. I also heard about the shimming but in a slightly different way. I like your better. I will keep you up to date on how things go,
Thanks for taking the time to explain these for me,

jeanp1948

[buffalo jump]

I have trouble loading my 9130 Russian nagant using stripper clips.......

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by polishshooter

Don't worry, jean, I don't get offended very easily, ask PS...now I have been accused of offendING before, but trust me, I don't intend it if I ever do...I just get passionate about some things....

Polish, substitute the word "fanatic" for "passionate" and I would agree with you. Like, for example, the absurd notion that a Mosin Nagant is even in the same league with a masterful, German built, Mauser rifle.

[polishshooter]

Buffalo, what year is your 91/30, and how worn is the stripper clip guides? Does the clip wallow around or is it tight?

And what exactly does it do, load them, but really hard, or does it like not load them at all, and kind of fall out of the clip when you apply too much pressure?

And what kind of ammo are you using, brass cases seem to work a LITTLE better than lacquered or copper washed steel...

And what kind of strippers are you using, original, recent production steel or recent brass?

My 91/30s seem to prefer the brass ones better.

I have a gun show tomorrow, if the stripper clip guy is there, I will probably pick up a couple of originals to try and report back...


And as a last resort, try bending the sides of the clip in a little so it's a little tighter, then load a round., and load the second while pushing UP on the first round, and load each round that way while pressing up..that makes each rim line up in FRONT of the one under it.

It's not necessary to make it FEED that way, like the Mannlichers, or some other designs using rimmed rounds, because the Mosin has that interrupter, but it DOES sometimes make it easier to load on one that doesn't take strippers well...it makes them less likely to "bend" in the clip and then fall out when you are pushing down.


And the other thing is your magazine...make sure it's clean and has no crude in it, or anything binding the follower/spring assembly...

[Pistolenschutze]

Polish, wouldn't it be easier just to by a nice Mauser?

[polishshooter]

Maybe if they chambered them in a better Rimmed military cartridge like the x54, and they were as simple and robust, as well as accurate, as a Mosin Nagant I might consider it...



And hey, (pausing the witty repartie fer a second or two)..

I found a guy advertising on GB for bent bolts for MN, that ALSO does a neat conversion, adding a ring to the back of the cocking piece/safety knob that looks REALLY promising....

Makes it look like a Swiss Schmidt, and reviews say inserting your finger makes it quicker and easier to both engage and disengage the safty, but also to cock it if you prefer to carry it uncocked...

It looks promising, and only $18 with your cocking piece...

I JUST might order one for my Polish Custom, and see if it works as advertised...

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by polishshooter

And hey, (pausing the witty repartie fer a second or two)..

I must admit, you are half right, Polish . . .

Originally Posted by polishshooter

I found a guy advertising on GB for bent bolts for MN, that ALSO does a neat conversion, adding a ring to the back of the cocking piece/safety knob that looks REALLY promising....

That actually sounds like a workable idea, Polish. The ring on the K-31s works quite well, though it only serves to decock the action, not act as a true safety. A Mosin with a workable safety does sound intriguing. Too bad no one has come up with a nice, workable, Mauser type wing safety for the Mosin though. But then, we must remember that Mausers were issued to trained troops, instead of cannon fodder carrying six-foot pig stickers.

[R Gor]

well, as we are talking about loading weapons, i have a question to ask. i just bought a yugo sks about 4 days ago, cleaned and is ready for shooting, but i wanted to know is there anyway that the yugo sks can accept ak-47 mags?

[Warpaint]

Originally Posted by JohnK3

I use them for my K-31. The Swiss really didn't use the magazine to hold spare rounds, they used stripper clips. The magazine was detachable mainly for cleaning.

IS this the Schmidt-Ruben? IF so, where do you find these? I saw them once at a gun show in Indy, went back to get some and the guy was gone.

Would love to find a few for myself and my cousin. We love these rifles.

[polishshooter]

Originally Posted by R Gor

well, as we are talking about loading weapons, i have a question to ask. i just bought a yugo sks about 4 days ago, cleaned and is ready for shooting, but i wanted to know is there anyway that the yugo sks can accept ak-47 mags?

Not really, R, I guess with some MAJOR reworking you could make some kind of housing that would fit the SKS receiver, that would THEN take the mags....

They make SKS detachable mags that are supposed to work the same way, with a long extension on the front of them that fits the regular SKS receiver, after you remove the existing stock mag, but I could never get one to work right on my Yugo SKS...I really think you are better off sticking to the stock mag setup and practicing with stripper clips loading from the top as designed, in my opinion....