S.C. May Soon Execute Repeat Child Rapists

[troutwest66]

Originally Posted by wolfgang2000

We have taken God out of our schools and Country. Can we expect better?

I teach P.E. and one health class and God does come up in health when kids ask my opinion or when talking about morality or death. I find ways of making sure God enters the conversation without preaching. Being a Christian myself, it is difficult to not bring God into discussions so I figure being true to Him is more important than some pantywaist lawyer. I didn't mean to make it sound like all I have are a bunch of delinquents, because most of my students are real good kids. You know the saying that "10% of the population causes 90% of the problems"...? That holds true for our schools as well as the rest of our communities.

[wolfgang2000]

66 I understand. I'm a retired LEO. I've seen bad kids from all walks of life. The one that sticks out the most was 16yoa. I was arresting him for the second time on 2nd degree murder. ( He had already did time for another count of 2nd degree murder.) To answer a question on the form, I asked him his religion. He didn't know what that was. It was very sad.

I'm afraid that this country has lost it's moral direction. If we don't find it again this country will become insignificant. I think the bible calls it luke warm.

I pray I'm not here to see it.

[Bernie109]

AA has a good record for getting alcoholics off the bottle
Addiction to porn and sex also have some success
Pedophilia is one deviant behvior from which there is no record of anybody ever coming out of. Once a person has gone that far, they are incorrigable.
While the death penalty might not deter one who is already all the way in, it would definately deter someone who is beginning to feel the passions.

If not, well, then there will be no repeat offenders.

[IBFrank]

Citizens used to take care of child molesters and queers in unique and fitting ways. Most common was a public hanging or execution. Anybody that wanted could take a shot (or more). Sometimes it was (boiling hot) tar & feathers. Running them out of town "on a rail" had nothing to do with trains. Usually, a good strong picket fence with pointed ends was the vehicle. Townspeople would throw the miscreant over the fence with people on both sides holding his legs. Then they all took off running forward dragging the guy's crotch over the points. Really bad guys were stripped of their pants, too. Gruesome? Yeah. Effective? Yeah. They usually never came back or were never seen again. Nearby towns were notified to "look out for..." so they would be properly "welcomed".
Zorro must be a liberal looking for the "root cause" of the problem, trying to make us believe they can be "rehabilitated". A "root cause" is NOT an excuse for such behavior or a reason to let some slimeball free to molest again! Child molesters deserve NO mercy!

[deadin]

How about just locking them up until they are cured?
The catch being that if they repeat, the shrink that said they were cured the first time shares their cell/sentence for the next go around.

Dean

[Bernie109]

How about just locking them up until they are cured?

AA has some sucess in leading people out of alchoholism

Exodus Ministries succesfully leads men and women out of homosexuality and porn addiction.

No child molester has ever been cured, led out of, or succesfully brought out of pedophilia, ever! You either execute them or lock them up until they die AKA "Death by warehousing"

[deadin]

Bernie,
I think you missed my point. It was meant to be sarcastic.

I agree that no one has found a "cure". These people need to be removed from society, permanently. The problem with "warehousing" is at sometime, some bleeding heart will decide they are "cured" and turn them loose. Maybe if we started punishing those that are turning them loose, we could keep the offenders out of society. Kind of like telling the shrinks to "Put their money where their mouth is."

Dean

[Meplat]

Originally Posted by ZORRO

The same research that's being done currently on drug and alcohol addiction is being conducted on diviant behaviors of all kinds including sexual diviance. We seem to have more violent and preverted crimes than many other societies. Wouldn't you like to know why so a remedy could be researched.
How is "wackin' one in a million" while a thousand more are being created serving anyone? Is our concern for retaliation outweighing our focus to cure the activity. If we approach gun rights this way we're doomed!

Z

I'm sorry, Zorro, but this has got to be the most specious argument I've ever heard. How do you make the quantum leap from executing child molesters to our approach to gun rights? One has nothing to do with the other. In one case, a tried and convicted pervert is put to death...in another, an innocent person is automatically assumed to be guilty.

Apples and oranges. Specious.

And where do you get your "one in a million" figure? I mean, I am sure that more molest than are ever convicted, but did you ever consider that the ramifacations of going through a trial, making the child relive that, and knowing that the perv was most likely going to be back out on the street to molest again before your child had reached the age of consent ever enter into your equation re: the number convicted? If a parent KNEW that true justice were going to be done over this outrage, then I'd be willing to bet the number would go up...for a while. Most child molesters are recidivists. In fact, it is one of the few crimes in which the rate of recidivism is at or very near 100%.

And no, I don't buy your theory about "studying" these "people". We already have a death row backlog of perhaps twenty years, and if that's not enough time to "study" the mind of a murderer in order to eliminate murder, then it ain't gonna happen with child molesters either, bud. Not to mention the ones who SHOULD have recieved the death penalty but didn't.

Crisco them up...and fry them. I personally don't believe that we should wait for mulitple offenses. I have seen what molestation does to destroy a human being. Fry them. They have nothing to teach us, other than the world is full of evil people. And it is FAR from being unique to OUR country or culture. It is just not as reported in other parts of the world where (in many cases) children are STILL considered chattel property.

[IBFrank]

I hope the SC law passes but on the FIRST offence. Why study something that has no answer or reason to exist?
I walked into Wal-Mart one time and there were people getting donations for something called NAMBLA. I asked what NAMBLA was. When he answered, I flipped out and kicked their table over and screamed "These guys are a bunch of child molesters!" Which they are. I couldn't get my hands on them because they RAN out of there so fast you would have thought I set them afire. And I would do it again. It's probably a good thing (for me) that I didn't have my gun with me. NAMBLA stands for North American Man/boy Love Association and they're a bunch of queers looking for new victims. And Zero, are you a member?

[MidnightRambler]

I think rapists and child molestors should be executed after the first time they do it.

[rosierita]

Originally Posted by IBFrank

I hope the SC law passes but on the FIRST offence. Why study something that has no answer or reason to exist?
I walked into Wal-Mart one time and there were people getting donations for something called NAMBLA. I asked what NAMBLA was. When he answered, I flipped out and kicked their table over and screamed "These guys are a bunch of child molesters!" Which they are. I couldn't get my hands on them because they RAN out of there so fast you would have thought I set them afire. And I would do it again. It's probably a good thing (for me) that I didn't have my gun with me. NAMBLA stands for North American Man/boy Love Association and they're a bunch of queers looking for new victims. And Zero, are you a member?

i wish i'd been a fly on their wall... WTG frank!

IA that waiting til the 2nd offense is too light a punishment. light them up like christmas trees on the 1st offense.

[berto64]

Zorro,

That's a large part of the problem, too damned many studies being done and not near enough serious punishment!

One conviction and they should be down for the count......Life or DEATH. It's cheaper in the long run to execute these maggots.

[DeaconKC]

I just came across this thread and it grabbed my attention, because I am a Parole Agent for the State of Illinois and all I deal with is sex offenders. Zorro, I hate to disillusion you, but most of the studies showing tiny recidivism rates are being discarded because of "gleaning" facts to make them appear the way the tester wanted. Right now the only reliable studies [ATSA recognized] show the recidivism rates to be 60-80% range when not in well structured counseling and 20-40% while in the same type of counseling. I have spent over 1,000 hours in training and counseling with these offenders over the last 6 years and have seen everything from laughable hand holding to confrontational screaming, like all things dealing with the human species, some things work for some, some for others. Castration, execution, lifetime prison, counseling etc. are all popular ideas, but there is NO blanket solution. Realize that there is a big difference in the mental makeup of these people. First, they are manipulators. That is how they find their victims and then convince them and their families to allow them into their trust so they can molest. These are the most friendly, gentle, nice people you will ever meet. And they can charm you out of your last dollar or your child's innocence. You must be eternally vigilant dealing with these people because many will use that opportunity as soon as they possibly can. BTW, I am quite prouod of the fact that this year I have personally been involved with sending 18 back to prison, many with new charges.

[Ursus]

I think its no fair trying to equalize extermination of races with that of children rapists. Certainly I think that a Jew granny in 1940 Varsaw is not in the same human class that one of these monsters. Problem is always feel sorry for the criminal... What about the victim? It would be nice to find the magic formula that woul'd cure these people, but meanwhile? Are we going to tell the parents of the victims, present and future:"Sorry, but it was your kid bad luck being in the wrong place, at the wrong time".
No I think execution may be not a deterrent but it could same at least a few kids. Thats good enough for me.
And about execution (the non PC term) not being a deterrent, I'm not sure. Child rapists here in my country were sent in front of the firing squad 30 years ago. Yes, there were rapes back then, but after executions were abolished, what do you think that happened? In the late '60s a child rape was front page news, now that we have "more humane ways" to treat these (and others) criminals, child rapes are so common that the newspapers don't even bother to report all of them. It's commonplace.
Do you see a correlation? I do.

[southernshooter]

I still think we need to go back to hangins on the front yard of the Couthouse. Make it public so every body knows about it

[DeaconKC]

One thing about execution, it does eliminate the problem of repeat offenders.

[Marlin]

Right you are, Deacon.

I think that Southern's idea would be capital, too.

[SaraBellum]

Originally Posted by ZORRO

These offenders seem to share one bit of commonality. They were all victims of similar behavior as children.
Z

Right. So execute them, so they can't create new victims who may become abusers who will create new victims....
It'll wipe out child rape in two generations.

[stash247]

Southernshooter, you are in the right place, but, apparently, at the wrong time, for much of society
No one, ever executed, by whatever means, ever graced the charts again, as a repeat offender.
While this is likely not the cure for traffic offenses, it certainly could "thin the herd", rapidly, of child molesters, rapists, murderers, and 'would be' murderers, etc.
Still," Bertoville, Pop 12", has a nice, yet scary, ring to it.
Troutwest66 makes more sense than our government, by far, in his arguments, in that he offers God, rather than man, as the judge and inspiration, for behavior , both his, and that of others.
Perhaps an Injection of whatever 'lights his fire', would be good for all of us.

[DeaconKC]

In reply to Zorro's statement that all of the molesters were victims themselves, no, that is not accurate. The majority were abused or in an abusive household, yes, but not all. However, the chances of a victim becoming an abuser are much, much greater than for those who were not abused.

[stash247]

Deacon, all:
I grew up in a physically abusive home; early on I decided, should I live long enough to have them, my children would not.
I was lucky enough to have a grandfather, to 'bail' to, when what little home I had started to come apart, and I bailed!
Let me share with you a few of the fundamental differences. My father could kick me all the way across the room, and did, many times. My granfather never did; "Boy, I'm dissapointed in you", hurt worse than anything he, or anyone else, could do, to my body. Grandpa's maiden sister, Alberta, did the 'work of the Lord', most every day of her adult life, and lived with us.
Berta did not hold much with grandpa's (Moderate) drinking, but, it was his house, so, could not exactly stop it, but broke every bottle she found, and insisted, in a fashion one could not refuse (she did almost all the cooking), that all of us be in Church, every Sunday. Wasn't then, my first choice, but then, at the time, I had no choice: we went!
But, the point I attempt, however poorly, to make, is this: In all things, we have a choice; to do, or not to do, this thing we have concieved; and likewise, to suffer the consequences, good or bad, of our decisions, and acts!
My kids, both girls, know that whatever comes, they always will have a warm, supportive, non-judjemental place to be, so long as I breathe. The exact opposite of the environment I was born into!
I am struggling here, but bear with me. I could easily say, "I got my a** kicked, every time I F***ed up, so, Here's one for you, and in most venues, the courts, with the right lawyer, on my side, would 'buy in', without a problem. That IS THE PROBLEM!!!
I believe I am first accountable to God, then to man, but neither would buy a load of BS, like that, in a totally impartial setting!
I truly believe that a sex offender, rapist, child molester, ad nauseum, has the ability to choose; should they continue to choose, in the 'wrong direction', society has also the 'ability to choose' and, should exercise it, with summary execution!
No executed felon has ever repeated his offense!
As I recall: "Render unto Caesar, what is Caesar's, and unto God, what is God's"

[troutwest66]

Terry,

great post! You are the shining example to prove that kids can turn out well in spite of their parents like I mentioned above. Sorry you had to grow up that way as my mother had to but you did the same thing she did and broke the cycle. You deserve a lot of credit for rising up out of the ashes. Your grandfather and aunt deserve a lot of credit as well for being there for you when you needed them most. You mentioned choices... so true!

[Ursus]

Originally Posted by stash247

I truly believe that a sex offender, rapist, child molester, ad nauseum, has the ability to choose; should they continue to choose, in the 'wrong direction', society has also the 'ability to choose' and, should exercise it, with summary execution!
No executed felon has ever repeated his offense!
As I recall: "Render unto Caesar, what is Caesar's, and unto God, what is God's"

AMEN!! A big problem in modern society is our ability to find excuses and "someonelses" to blame. We all make choices and we have to live with the consequences.

[DeaconKC]

Thanks for putting it so very well!