Turkish Mauser . . . - The Firearms Forum

Pistolenschutze · 07-07-2006, 08:07 PM

I need some input, guys and gals, and this is the best place on planet Earth to get good input on anything to do with guns.

Alas, I have been attacked once again by the dreaded and recurring "Mauser virus," a most virulent and incurable illness indeed. I think it was likely the circular I received today from SOG that caused its resurgence.

Anyway, SOG has some Turkish Mausers for sale right now, priced at $60.00, which seems like a darn good price for a Mauser. They're small rings, of course, and allegedly in "good to very good" condition. Has anyone had experience with the Turkish Mausers? If I gambled with one (so I could "gambol" with it, so to speak

) would I likely get a rifle worth the time and trouble to refinish and shoot, or just a broken down old POS useful only as a tent peg? SOG also has some German-built, large ring 98s for sale that are supposed to be in very good condition but have the straight bolt instead of the turned bolt of the 98k battle rifles of WWII. According to the add, these were used by rear eschelon troops and capured after the war. They want $140 for one of them, which is not bad if the rifles are in decent condition. I do love my Mausers even though I've been working mostly with Mosins recently. I do need my Mauser fix from time to time, just to remain in good health.

Any input would be appreciated.

southernshooter · 07-07-2006, 09:35 PM

I don't have any experience with them but I got a question for you. Sounds like you ordered from them before. Are they decent quality for exp. If they say good to very good are the usually good to very good?

polishshooter · 07-07-2006, 10:56 PM

Uh, as you know, a Mauser guy I AIN'T..but are you SURE the Turks are "small ring?" I thought I heard MANY guys converting them when they were $27.95 WITH bayonet not long ago, maybe 5 years(?)....and I thought for SURE a selling point I read many times was "Large Ring Mauser COMPLETE for less than an ACTION alone." (I STILL kick myself for not "stooping" to buy one then, even considered it when they started escalating SLOWLY to $29.95, then $32.95, then $35...before they finally "dried up.")

There were a lot of crufflers on here who were doing a BRISK business in the Turks back then, and I'm sure a lot converted theirs, they seemed pretty happy with them, although the EARLY ones that were coincidentally the CHEAPEST were supposedly the best available, and condition supposedly went down quickly as the price went up....

Pistolenschutze · 07-08-2006, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by southernshooter

I don't have any experience with them but I got a question for you. Sounds like you ordered from them before. Are they decent quality for exp. If they say good to very good are the usually good to very good?

Southern, yes, I have dealt with SOG several times (and so, I think, has Polishshooter if you want another honestly offered opinion on the firm). As for myself, I can say unequivically that they are good people to deal with and the products they advertise are what they say they are, good or bad. If they advertise a rifle as "good to very good" that's what you get when it arrives, though I would suggest you always spring for the extra $10.00 for the hand pick. It's worth it. I also like the way SOG follows up with acknowledgments and is very prompt about getting their products shipped to you. So far at least, I've never gotten the old "sorry, but we're out of stock" crap if the item is shown on their website, they actually have it in stock.

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Originally Posted by polishshooter

Uh, as you know, a Mauser guy I AIN'T..but are you SURE the Turks are "small ring?"

You know, Polish, I could have sworn the ad said "small ring," but when I went back and looked at it again just now, I see that you're right. It only says, "nice, clean Mausers in good to very good condition." Presumably then, these are large ring, which is indeed far more common. I must have been thinking about a different ad, either that, or I'm loosing my mind . . . always a distinct possibility for a teacher at mid-term exam time!

Since I know almost nothing about Turkish Mausers (or anything else Turkish, except for their coffee, which will rot your innards), the small ring thing didn't stand out to me. Hmmm, come to think about it, I was looking at a Swedish Mauser earlier today somewhere online. I think those are, in fact, small ringers.

polishshooter · 07-08-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

You know, Polish, Hmmm, come to think about it, I think those are, in fact, small ringers.

Now THAT sounds like a PERSONAL PROBLEM!

southernshooter · 07-08-2006, 10:22 PM

Thanks for the info Pistol

RussianRifle · 07-10-2006, 01:07 PM

If I remember correctly the 93 Turk Mausers are small ring. The 1903 and 1938 models are large ring.

This site might help you with the Turk Mauser info.

http://www.turkmauser.com/

I only have one Turk Mauser. It's an all matching 1903 (converted to 7.92X56 in 1936) that I got from Big 5 Sporting Goods for $100. The stock is in great shape with tiger striping. Most of the blue is gone, but the bore is in great shape and it shoots well with 50s Yugo and Romanian. It didn't do as well with the 40s Turkish ammo, tho.

Marlin

armedandsafe · 07-12-2006, 07:36 PM

Large ring receiver, sized and threaded for small shank barrels.
http://www.turkmauser.com/largeRingSmallRing.aspx

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Large Ring/Small Ring
All Mauser receivers made before the model of 1898 are considered small ring receivers. This is because the model of 98 had a larger receiver ring. The receiver ring being the front of the receiver where the barrel is screwed into the receiver. A small ring receiver is typically 1.300 inches in diameter. Small ring receivers almost always take a small shank barrel. There are very few Small Ring-Large Shank receivers.

Large Ring Receivers
Almost (except G33/40, K98a and a few others) all Mausers made from the model of 1898 onward had a large ring receiver, approximately 1.410 inches in diameter. There were several other features that came out at the same time as the larger ring, like the third safety lug, cock on opening and the gas escape features. Originally, the large ring receivers were designed to take a larger shank barrel. However, the Ottomans and Turks had large ring receivers made to accept small shank barrels. This was probably done to in an attempt to maintain part commonality with their older rifles. As it turned out, almost all their rifles were to be rebarreled shortly and it probably would have been easier to stick with the basic Mauser design than to deviate from it with the Large Ring-Small Shank design.

Small Shank Barrels
A small shank barrel will screw into a small ring receiver or a large ring receiver that accepts a small shank barrel. The shank is normally 0.980 inches in diameter with 0.645 inches of threaded area at 12 TPI.

Large Shank Barrels
A large shank barrel will only screw into a large ring receiver designed for a large shank barrel. The shank is normally 1.110 inches in diameter with 0.625 inches of threaded area at 12 TPI. Note that a large shank barrel can usually be turned down to fit a small shank receiver. Your gunsmith could do this with a lathe, but it hardly seems worth it.

Abbreviations
SRM - Small Ring Mauser

LRM - Large Ring (Large Shank) Mauser

LRSSM - Large Ring Small Shank Mauser

Pops

Pistolenschutze · 07-13-2006, 09:53 AM

Thanks for that info, Armed! I knew what the difference was, but not the details and history behind that difference. It is most interesting to know. Were I a punster (which, of course, I'm not), I might say that article is a real <ahem> "ringer."

07-07-2006, 08:07 PM	#1
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Turkish Mauser . . . I need some input, guys and gals, and this is the best place on planet Earth to get good input on anything to do with guns. Alas, I have been attacked once again by the dreaded and recurring "Mauser virus," a most virulent and incurable illness indeed. I think it was likely the circular I received today from SOG that caused its resurgence. Anyway, SOG has some Turkish Mausers for sale right now, priced at $60.00, which seems like a darn good price for a Mauser. They're small rings, of course, and allegedly in "good to very good" condition. Has anyone had experience with the Turkish Mausers? If I gambled with one (so I could "gambol" with it, so to speak ) would I likely get a rifle worth the time and trouble to refinish and shoot, or just a broken down old POS useful only as a tent peg? SOG also has some German-built, large ring 98s for sale that are supposed to be in very good condition but have the straight bolt instead of the turned bolt of the 98k battle rifles of WWII. According to the add, these were used by rear eschelon troops and capured after the war. They want $140 for one of them, which is not bad if the rifles are in decent condition. I do love my Mausers even though I've been working mostly with Mosins recently. I do need my Mauser fix from time to time, just to remain in good health. Any input would be appreciated. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter) -->

07-07-2006, 09:35 PM	#2
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Turkish Mauser . . . I don't have any experience with them but I got a question for you. Sounds like you ordered from them before. Are they decent quality for exp. If they say good to very good are the usually good to very good? __________________ Only you can see this

07-07-2006, 10:56 PM	#3
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,863	Re: Turkish Mauser . . . Uh, as you know, a Mauser guy I AIN'T..but are you SURE the Turks are "small ring?" I thought I heard MANY guys converting them when they were $27.95 WITH bayonet not long ago, maybe 5 years(?)....and I thought for SURE a selling point I read many times was "Large Ring Mauser COMPLETE for less than an ACTION alone." (I STILL kick myself for not "stooping" to buy one then, even considered it when they started escalating SLOWLY to $29.95, then $32.95, then $35...before they finally "dried up.") There were a lot of crufflers on here who were doing a BRISK business in the Turks back then, and I'm sure a lot converted theirs, they seemed pretty happy with them, although the EARLY ones that were coincidentally the CHEAPEST were supposedly the best available, and condition supposedly went down quickly as the price went up.... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

07-08-2006, 10:22 PM	#6
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Turkish Mauser . . . Thanks for the info Pistol __________________ Only you can see this

07-10-2006, 01:07 PM	#7
RussianRifle Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 25	Re: Turkish Mauser . . . If I remember correctly the 93 Turk Mausers are small ring. The 1903 and 1938 models are large ring. This site might help you with the Turk Mauser info. http://www.turkmauser.com/ I only have one Turk Mauser. It's an all matching 1903 (converted to 7.92X56 in 1936) that I got from Big 5 Sporting Goods for $100. The stock is in great shape with tiger striping. Most of the blue is gone, but the bore is in great shape and it shoots well with 50s Yugo and Romanian. It didn't do as well with the 40s Turkish ammo, tho. Marlin

07-13-2006, 09:53 AM	#9
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Turkish Mauser . . . Thanks for that info, Armed! I knew what the difference was, but not the details and history behind that difference. It is most interesting to know. Were I a punster (which, of course, I'm not), I might say that article is a real <ahem> "ringer." __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)