Are we safer? - The Firearms Forum

satellite66 · 09-20-2006, 05:50 AM

I have a question for all those that will admit they are liberal and for all those who want to pretend that they are moderate.

Do the things the modern left has done over the last 5 yrs make us safer? Have the obstruction tatics used by the dem minority made us safer? Has revealing secret programs that track funds to and from terrorists made us safer? Does giving constitutional rights to enemy combatants not in this country make us safer? Does revealing secret eavesdropping programs make us safer? Does the calling of our soldiers murderers and torturers by prominent dems, liberal celebrities and the media make us safer? Does applying GC to terrorists make us safer? Does constantly giving legitimacy to terrorists actions by blaming America or Bush make us safer?

Another question? Do any of you ever see a similarity between what the terrorists say and what the dems say?

Marlin · 09-20-2006, 10:08 AM

I'm not even going to think about any of this.

When I do, my blood boils and Lord knows where that will lead......

Sackett · 09-20-2006, 08:16 PM

Personally, I feel safer knowing that actions have been taken and terrorists are being captured or killed before they can inact their demonic deeds.

I also believe that if people actually admit to being less safe, and are being honest about it, then this is more of a result of acknowledging a danger in the world that can hit them at any time. They've become aware of something that was in the back of their mind before, yet now it is in the forefront. Their sense of danger has been heightened and this is being confused with a feeling of safety or not.

southernshooter · 09-20-2006, 09:05 PM

rosierita · 09-20-2006, 09:30 PM

why am i hearing the jeopardy tune playing in my head rite now?!

come on liberals!! hurry up & answer the man's question, so i can go back to singin something else!

Marlin T · 09-21-2006, 09:02 PM

Very well stated Sackett. I haven't thought about that, but it makes sence.

66, you forgot to mention one group that has opposed EVERY anti terror act. The ACLU AKA American Communist Leaders Unite.

Nighthawk · 09-21-2006, 10:57 PM

yeah i feel safe with mini 14 and colt 45 by my side

Enzo_Guy · 09-25-2006, 07:35 PM

I recently had a situation where not even my guns would've helped me. Back on august 10th I was flying home from London on United flight 921. Some people may remember the date and even the flight number, for those that don't, it was a plane that was targeted by terrorists in what would have been the biggest plane bombing in history and thankfully for joint intelligence gathered by American, Pakistani, and British forces I mde it home safely. I'm now a supporter of the sacrifice of liberty in the pursuit of saftey.

satellite66 · 09-26-2006, 06:44 AM

Wow Enzo that is wild. Just think if the same folks that want to take our gun rights away got their way sooner it might have been another story that you would not be telling. I notice I see no one jumping in to respond and say we are safer to the questions.

rosierita · 09-26-2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Enzo_Guy

I recently had a situation where not even my guns would've helped me. Back on august 10th I was flying home from London on United flight 921. Some people may remember the date and even the flight number, for those that don't, it was a plane that was targeted by terrorists in what would have been the biggest plane bombing in history and thankfully for joint intelligence gathered by American, Pakistani, and British forces I mde it home safely. I'm now a supporter of the sacrifice of liberty in the pursuit of saftey.

WOW!! i'm sure being that personally affected by it, really does bring a new perspective. i'm glad that attack was thwarted & that you made it home safely!!

& WELCOME TO THE BOARD ENZO!!

Chick4 · 09-29-2006, 11:33 PM

Enzo Guy is right except for one thing. I don't feel like I'm sacrificing liberty for security. I actually have the liberty to not be killed by some crazed, misguided nut case. I have the liberty to be safely over here while he dies over there, (thanks to our blessed armed forces), I have the liberty to go where I want, when I want, with whom I want, and if on occasion I'm asked "what are you doing" by the authorities I can answer truthfully and be on my way.

09-20-2006, 05:50 AM	#1
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Are we safer? I have a question for all those that will admit they are liberal and for all those who want to pretend that they are moderate. Do the things the modern left has done over the last 5 yrs make us safer? Have the obstruction tatics used by the dem minority made us safer? Has revealing secret programs that track funds to and from terrorists made us safer? Does giving constitutional rights to enemy combatants not in this country make us safer? Does revealing secret eavesdropping programs make us safer? Does the calling of our soldiers murderers and torturers by prominent dems, liberal celebrities and the media make us safer? Does applying GC to terrorists make us safer? Does constantly giving legitimacy to terrorists actions by blaming America or Bush make us safer? Another question? Do any of you ever see a similarity between what the terrorists say and what the dems say? __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 --> Last edited by satellite66; 09-20-2006 at 05:56 AM..

09-20-2006, 10:08 AM	#2
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: Are we safer? I'm not even going to think about any of this. When I do, my blood boils and Lord knows where that will lead...... __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

09-20-2006, 08:16 PM	#3
Sackett V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SW Mississippi Posts: 266	Re: Are we safer? Personally, I feel safer knowing that actions have been taken and terrorists are being captured or killed before they can inact their demonic deeds. I also believe that if people actually admit to being less safe, and are being honest about it, then this is more of a result of acknowledging a danger in the world that can hit them at any time. They've become aware of something that was in the back of their mind before, yet now it is in the forefront. Their sense of danger has been heightened and this is being confused with a feeling of safety or not. __________________ "I'm not someone to be as good as. I'm someone to be better than."

09-20-2006, 09:05 PM	#4
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09-20-2006, 09:30 PM	#5
rosierita Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,218	Re: Are we safer? why am i hearing the jeopardy tune playing in my head rite now?! come on liberals!! hurry up & answer the man's question, so i can go back to singin something else! __________________

09-21-2006, 09:02 PM	#6
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Are we safer? Very well stated Sackett. I haven't thought about that, but it makes sence. 66, you forgot to mention one group that has opposed EVERY anti terror act. The ACLU AKA American Communist Leaders Unite. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

09-21-2006, 10:57 PM	#7
Nighthawk Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Central Texas Posts: 3,330	Re: Are we safer? yeah i feel safe with mini 14 and colt 45 by my side __________________ Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives." --John Adams, letter to Benjamin Rush, April 18, 1808 NRA Life TSRA Life GOA Member

09-25-2006, 07:35 PM	#8
Enzo_Guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Harwood, MD Posts: 160	Re: Are we safer? I recently had a situation where not even my guns would've helped me. Back on august 10th I was flying home from London on United flight 921. Some people may remember the date and even the flight number, for those that don't, it was a plane that was targeted by terrorists in what would have been the biggest plane bombing in history and thankfully for joint intelligence gathered by American, Pakistani, and British forces I mde it home safely. I'm now a supporter of the sacrifice of liberty in the pursuit of saftey.

09-26-2006, 06:44 AM	#9
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Are we safer? Wow Enzo that is wild. Just think if the same folks that want to take our gun rights away got their way sooner it might have been another story that you would not be telling. I notice I see no one jumping in to respond and say we are safer to the questions. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

09-29-2006, 11:33 PM	#11
Chick4 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St.Simons Is.,GA. Posts: 11	Re: Are we safer? Enzo Guy is right except for one thing. I don't feel like I'm sacrificing liberty for security. I actually have the liberty to not be killed by some crazed, misguided nut case. I have the liberty to be safely over here while he dies over there, (thanks to our blessed armed forces), I have the liberty to go where I want, when I want, with whom I want, and if on occasion I'm asked "what are you doing" by the authorities I can answer truthfully and be on my way.