Interesting Commentary on Kerry - The Firearms Forum

Marlin · 11-03-2006, 09:38 AM

Here is a commentary from today's WorldNetDaily that pretty much nails it. And this from a source that usually might support Kerry.....

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Kerry's apology – not accepted

November 3, 2006

By Rees Lloyd

After a national uproar over the outrageous remarks denigrating the intelligence of American troops in Iraq of Democrat Party leader John Kerry – the man who still would be president and commander in chief ("I deserve a second chance," he has publicly stated) – who at first defiantly refused to apologize for his slur of the troops in Pasadena, Calif., Monday issued on Wednesday a mealy-mouthed apology not for what he said, but for what he called the "misinterpretation" of what he said.

In doing so, Kerry, attempting to excuse himself, compounds his insult of the troops and all veterans who have served – and insults the intelligence of all Americans – as if we are all so lacking in "smart(s)" that we do not know what words he in fact spoke.

Those words are:

"Education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Those are Kerry's words and they are now writ in stone.

No amount of Democrat linguistic legerdemain can torture those words into what Kerry and his Democrat defenders want to foist on the American people as a "botched joke" in which he really was not talking about our troops but about President Bush.

Kerry and his Democrat spinmeisters apparently ascribe to the theory of huckster P.T. Barnum that "there is a sucker born every minute," and we Americans are but 300 million suckers to be duped by Kerry and the Democrats into believing that we cannot trust our own eyes and ears, and intelligence, but rather we should instead trust them to tell us that the words he said really didn't mean what they said..

It brings to mind the famous line of Marx (Groucho, not Karl): "Who are you going to believe? Your own eyes, or me?"

Consider, for instance, the fact that John Kerry did not utter in private or in a vacuum his insult concerning the intelligence of those who serve now, and by implication, all veterans who have served.

He did it in a public speech at a college in Pasadena, meaning it to be heard and reported on by the media.

Further, he did not utter it as a lone ranger of elitist liberal rhetoric but as a leader of the Democrat Party, in California to publicly support Democrat candidate for governor Phil Angelides.

Moreover, Kerry uttered his insult while surrounded by Democrat Angelides, Democrat Sen. Barbara Boxer, long a "card carrying member of the ACLU" a la Michael Dukakis of tank-riding fame, and Democrat mayor of Los Angeles and former president of the ACLU of Southern California, Antonio Villaraigosa.

All of those leading Democrats, all of whom are ACLU-type liberals, supported what Kerry said by their silence: Not one of those leading figures in the Democrat Party urged an apology then and there; not one objected to, disagreed with or disassociated themselves from Kerry's manifest insult to the intelligence of those who serve.

It has been suggested with tongue in cheek that Kerry's statement should be excused as the inadvertent result of temporary insanity caused by the blinding charisma of Democrat Angelides, although Angelides' charisma has been compared to that of an ambulatory corpse.

I suggest, rather, that the reason those leading Democrats remained silent is that the words John Kerry spoke are what elitist ACLU liberal Democrats like him harbor in their hearts – contempt for those who are serving and who have served in the military as just not "smart" enough ... not as "smart" as "us."

I believe, further, that this contempt for those who served, and have served, is further proved by all the desperate attempts of Democrats to convince Americans that John Kerry's words don't mean what they clearly say.

The plain, common-sense fact is that the words of Kerry are the words of Kerry, and they mean what they say. This is true as a matter of ordinary common sense and as the most elemental rule of legal interpretation, the so-called "plain meaning rule," to wit:

"The meaning attributed ... based on a common-sense reading of the words, giving them their ordinary sense and without reference to extrinsic indications of the author's intent – Also termed ordinary meaning." (Black's Law Dictionary)

Most Americans will and should apply the "plain meaning," "ordinary meaning," "common-sense" rule to Kerry's words – just as they would in their own families – and applying that common-sense standard leads to an obvious conclusion: John Kerry, in his heart, the heart of an East Coast elitist liberal Democrat, believes that those who serve in the military are just less "smart" than those who don't, those who "do well," as he put it.
I am one of those who served, and under the John Kerry Democrat Rule for assessing intelligence, my service, like that of those serving now and all my comrade veterans who have served, is prima facie evidence that I am not "smart" enough not to have served.

That would be true, too, of course, of my grandfather, who served in World War I, and my father, who served in World War II, and my daughter, who proudly, patriotically serves on active duty today.

I do not write these words as a Democrat-hater or liberal-hater. On the contrary, once upon a long time ago, a quarter of a century ago now, I was an ACLU of Southern California staff attorney and knew and respected many ACLU liberal Democrats. But I was also the only veteran on staff, and while I was personally recognized as having intellectual ability, I was, as I was once described by one of their leading members, a "diamond in the rough" in their eyes: working class, former steel worker, truck driver, union man, veteran. Oddly, with a brain. Thus, a "diamond in the rough."

I left the ACLU with a recognition from them for "pioneering efforts in the area of workers rights." I remain grateful for the opportunity that they provided to me by a fellowship to get through law school and a staff position thereafter as attorney, in which I was able, in fact, to carry out pioneering efforts in the area of workers rights that changed California employment law in beneficial measure.

Thus, while I am not an inveterate hater of the Democrat Party, liberals in general or the ACLU in particular, I am disappointed in and mean to fight what they have become, betraying all that they represented themselves to be in my youth, including the representation that they honored veterans, like my grandfather, my father, and now, my daughter.
Kerry's mealy-mouthed apology not for his insult to veterans but for others alleged "misinterpretation" of his words may be accepted by some, but not me.

Kerry may insult me all he wishes – my World War I veteran grandfather taught me always to know which end of the horse was talking.
But when he, his Democrat cohorts on stage in Pasadena – Angelides, Boxer and Villaraigosa – and his Democrat Party insult the generations in my family that served before me, my daughter who serves now and all my comrade veterans, that is something that this veteran will neither forgive nor forget unless and until there is a full, abject apology for the words spoken and an unconditional repudiation by Kerry and the Democrat Party in which I once believed.

© 2006 WorldNetDaily

Rees Lloyd, a longtime California civil rights attorney, is an activist in veterans affairs and an attorney defending veterans memorials.

Nighthawk · 11-03-2006, 11:19 AM

good article- if kerry had really made a slip of tongue he would have apologized immediately instead of going on defensive.
I think most people twist their words and the wrong thing comes out, but you try to correct it as soon as you're aware of it. The dem left us not the other way around. I feel like if you vote for one dem you vote for national party ideas and those I can not support. Those that say they want to change party from inside are fooling themselves. You change a political party by not voting for it, that is the only thing they understand. as long as you vote for them they feel they have your mandate and they will not change. A vote for dems is a vote for gun confiscation, abortion, and homosexuals.
don't get me wrong the reps are not much better,but at least they claim to support the things I believe in. It has come down to the lesser of two evils.
I guess I'll get off my soapbox ain't said this much in a while

southernshooter · 11-03-2006, 10:25 PM

Thanks for the article Marlin

Light Coat · 11-03-2006, 10:43 PM

Fifty years ago we would have hung him. If you have been following the news on the whole thing; some of the "not so firm in their roost" democrats have told him not to show up in their states this rally season. He may have just signed the death warrant on their wish for legislative control.

Huck Finn · 11-04-2006, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Light Coat

He may have just signed the death warrant on their wish for legislative control.

I don't think so, no more than the gay pedophile from Florida hurt the republicans. I'm willing to bet that the Democrats will be laughing all the way to D.C. this time next week!

glocknut · 11-04-2006, 08:04 AM

Kerry was not the man for the job of President then, nor will he ever be. Making decisions by polls, diarreah of the mouth, and an inability to correct course once a mistake has been discovered are all proof that that man has no business running the nation. Period.

mike
gn

rosierita · 11-04-2006, 11:02 AM

did ya'll know he was in viet nam??

glocknut · 11-05-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rosierita

did ya'll know he was in viet nam??

Whoopdie ****ing dooo.....

mike
gn

Marlin T · 11-05-2006, 07:32 PM

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did ya'll know he was in viet nam??

Exactly, "Ya but, he was in vietnam". enough said, that makes up for everything. Right? ya right.

Thanks for artilcle Marlin.

11-03-2006, 09:38 AM	#1
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Interesting Commentary on Kerry Here is a commentary from today's WorldNetDaily that pretty much nails it. And this from a source that usually might support Kerry..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kerry's apology – not accepted November 3, 2006 By Rees Lloyd After a national uproar over the outrageous remarks denigrating the intelligence of American troops in Iraq of Democrat Party leader John Kerry – the man who still would be president and commander in chief ("I deserve a second chance," he has publicly stated) – who at first defiantly refused to apologize for his slur of the troops in Pasadena, Calif., Monday issued on Wednesday a mealy-mouthed apology not for what he said, but for what he called the "misinterpretation" of what he said. In doing so, Kerry, attempting to excuse himself, compounds his insult of the troops and all veterans who have served – and insults the intelligence of all Americans – as if we are all so lacking in "smart(s)" that we do not know what words he in fact spoke. Those words are: "Education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." Those are Kerry's words and they are now writ in stone. No amount of Democrat linguistic legerdemain can torture those words into what Kerry and his Democrat defenders want to foist on the American people as a "botched joke" in which he really was not talking about our troops but about President Bush. Kerry and his Democrat spinmeisters apparently ascribe to the theory of huckster P.T. Barnum that "there is a sucker born every minute," and we Americans are but 300 million suckers to be duped by Kerry and the Democrats into believing that we cannot trust our own eyes and ears, and intelligence, but rather we should instead trust them to tell us that the words he said really didn't mean what they said.. It brings to mind the famous line of Marx (Groucho, not Karl): "Who are you going to believe? Your own eyes, or me?" Consider, for instance, the fact that John Kerry did not utter in private or in a vacuum his insult concerning the intelligence of those who serve now, and by implication, all veterans who have served. He did it in a public speech at a college in Pasadena, meaning it to be heard and reported on by the media. Further, he did not utter it as a lone ranger of elitist liberal rhetoric but as a leader of the Democrat Party, in California to publicly support Democrat candidate for governor Phil Angelides. Moreover, Kerry uttered his insult while surrounded by Democrat Angelides, Democrat Sen. Barbara Boxer, long a "card carrying member of the ACLU" a la Michael Dukakis of tank-riding fame, and Democrat mayor of Los Angeles and former president of the ACLU of Southern California, Antonio Villaraigosa. All of those leading Democrats, all of whom are ACLU-type liberals, supported what Kerry said by their silence: Not one of those leading figures in the Democrat Party urged an apology then and there; not one objected to, disagreed with or disassociated themselves from Kerry's manifest insult to the intelligence of those who serve. It has been suggested with tongue in cheek that Kerry's statement should be excused as the inadvertent result of temporary insanity caused by the blinding charisma of Democrat Angelides, although Angelides' charisma has been compared to that of an ambulatory corpse. I suggest, rather, that the reason those leading Democrats remained silent is that the words John Kerry spoke are what elitist ACLU liberal Democrats like him harbor in their hearts – contempt for those who are serving and who have served in the military as just not "smart" enough ... not as "smart" as "us." I believe, further, that this contempt for those who served, and have served, is further proved by all the desperate attempts of Democrats to convince Americans that John Kerry's words don't mean what they clearly say. The plain, common-sense fact is that the words of Kerry are the words of Kerry, and they mean what they say. This is true as a matter of ordinary common sense and as the most elemental rule of legal interpretation, the so-called "plain meaning rule," to wit: "The meaning attributed ... based on a common-sense reading of the words, giving them their ordinary sense and without reference to extrinsic indications of the author's intent – Also termed ordinary meaning." (Black's Law Dictionary) Most Americans will and should apply the "plain meaning," "ordinary meaning," "common-sense" rule to Kerry's words – just as they would in their own families – and applying that common-sense standard leads to an obvious conclusion: John Kerry, in his heart, the heart of an East Coast elitist liberal Democrat, believes that those who serve in the military are just less "smart" than those who don't, those who "do well," as he put it. I am one of those who served, and under the John Kerry Democrat Rule for assessing intelligence, my service, like that of those serving now and all my comrade veterans who have served, is prima facie evidence that I am not "smart" enough not to have served. That would be true, too, of course, of my grandfather, who served in World War I, and my father, who served in World War II, and my daughter, who proudly, patriotically serves on active duty today. I do not write these words as a Democrat-hater or liberal-hater. On the contrary, once upon a long time ago, a quarter of a century ago now, I was an ACLU of Southern California staff attorney and knew and respected many ACLU liberal Democrats. But I was also the only veteran on staff, and while I was personally recognized as having intellectual ability, I was, as I was once described by one of their leading members, a "diamond in the rough" in their eyes: working class, former steel worker, truck driver, union man, veteran. Oddly, with a brain. Thus, a "diamond in the rough." I left the ACLU with a recognition from them for "pioneering efforts in the area of workers rights." I remain grateful for the opportunity that they provided to me by a fellowship to get through law school and a staff position thereafter as attorney, in which I was able, in fact, to carry out pioneering efforts in the area of workers rights that changed California employment law in beneficial measure. Thus, while I am not an inveterate hater of the Democrat Party, liberals in general or the ACLU in particular, I am disappointed in and mean to fight what they have become, betraying all that they represented themselves to be in my youth, including the representation that they honored veterans, like my grandfather, my father, and now, my daughter. Kerry's mealy-mouthed apology not for his insult to veterans but for others alleged "misinterpretation" of his words may be accepted by some, but not me. Kerry may insult me all he wishes – my World War I veteran grandfather taught me always to know which end of the horse was talking. But when he, his Democrat cohorts on stage in Pasadena – Angelides, Boxer and Villaraigosa – and his Democrat Party insult the generations in my family that served before me, my daughter who serves now and all my comrade veterans, that is something that this veteran will neither forgive nor forget unless and until there is a full, abject apology for the words spoken and an unconditional repudiation by Kerry and the Democrat Party in which I once believed. © 2006 WorldNetDaily Rees Lloyd, a longtime California civil rights attorney, is an activist in veterans affairs and an attorney defending veterans memorials. __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.* -->

11-03-2006, 11:19 AM	#2
Nighthawk Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Central Texas Posts: 3,330	Re: Interesting Commentary on Kerry good article- if kerry had really made a slip of tongue he would have apologized immediately instead of going on defensive. I think most people twist their words and the wrong thing comes out, but you try to correct it as soon as you're aware of it. The dem left us not the other way around. I feel like if you vote for one dem you vote for national party ideas and those I can not support. Those that say they want to change party from inside are fooling themselves. You change a political party by not voting for it, that is the only thing they understand. as long as you vote for them they feel they have your mandate and they will not change. A vote for dems is a vote for gun confiscation, abortion, and homosexuals. don't get me wrong the reps are not much better,but at least they claim to support the things I believe in. It has come down to the lesser of two evils. I guess I'll get off my soapbox ain't said this much in a while __________________ Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives." --John Adams, letter to Benjamin Rush, April 18, 1808 NRA Life TSRA Life GOA Member

11-03-2006, 10:25 PM	#3
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Interesting Commentary on Kerry Thanks for the article Marlin __________________ Only you can see this

11-03-2006, 10:43 PM	#4
Light Coat V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Middle of Nowhere, KS Posts: 466	Re: Interesting Commentary on Kerry Fifty years ago we would have hung him. If you have been following the news on the whole thing; some of the "not so firm in their roost" democrats have told him not to show up in their states this rally season. He may have just signed the death warrant on their wish for legislative control.

11-04-2006, 08:04 AM	#6
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Interesting Commentary on Kerry Kerry was not the man for the job of President then, nor will he ever be. Making decisions by polls, diarreah of the mouth, and an inability to correct course once a mistake has been discovered are all proof that that man has no business running the nation. Period. mike gn

11-04-2006, 11:02 AM	#7
rosierita Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,218	Re: Interesting Commentary on Kerry did ya'll know he was in viet nam?? __________________