Question: Would you leave if things got really bad?

[Pat Hurley]

Though I'm not a doomsday type, not cynical by nature, I'm also accutely aware that some of the most precious freedoms we have as Americans are under serious attack and I often wonder how long some of these battles can be fought before they are ostensibly lost permanently. Of course, the full frontal attack on gun rights come to mind immediately, as do right to life issues, the disintegration of free speech (political correctness), the lurch toward open borders, government take-over of health care, confiscatory taxation, reverse discrimination (racial set asides), viscious attacks on Christianity and freedom of religion, and on, and on, and on,....

I sincerely worry about the future of our country, our Constitution, and our cherished freedoms.

Question: Could it ever get so bad that you would consider relocation to another country? If so, how bad would it have to get? Lastly, if you would go, where would you go?

Far fetched scenarios? Perhaps. But not beyond the realm of possibility, considering the road we appear to be on.

Pat Hurley

[Kimber Man]

No.............
I've been in the service and overseas....This is my home and I will die here.....one way or the other.I have seen good time and bad times .....But this is home.

[Pat Hurley]

Originally Posted by Kimber Man

No.............
I've been in the service and overseas....This is my home and I will die here.....one way or the other.I have seen good time and bad times .....But this is home.

So, if your rights to bear arms, free speech, and assembly were revoked, you'd still hang around?

Not me.

Pat Hurley

[IShootBack]

I hope to be in the first wave to leave when the Lord returns to rapture the church. I think that is not far off.

Not trying to start a religious battle, just thinking the good book does not say this world will ever be at lasting peace.

[Kimber Man]

Pat ...............I think alot of action from the people will happen first.......
Second....I'm going on 66 yrs. old and I'm disabled from the service. do you think all my gun are legal ????????? You can't give up what they don't know you have ????

I'm an old man that been thru a lot in war and peace ......I'm tired ....it's up to the younger generation to take charge now. If and when the time comes I hope they step up to the plate like their fathers before them or we will be in a lot of trouble.



Former Marine Sgt.
1st Batt 9 th Marines
(The Walking Dead Batt.)
65- 66 Viet-Nam

[Pat Hurley]

Originally Posted by IShootBack

I hope to be in the first wave to leave when the Lord returns to rapture the church. I think that is not far off.

Not trying to start a religious battle, just thinking the good book does not say this world will ever be at lasting peace.

Absent Christ's second coming, what would you do?

Pat Hurley

[southernshooter]

I don't think it could get bad enough for me to leave. I might become an outlaw but I wouldn't leave. this reminds me of a good saying
"When injustice become law, rebellion becomes a must"
On the same note I could move to Russia where you can buy a full auto AK for $75, but it ain't America and I am an American, Just like I am a Southerner and I would never leave the South

[White Hawk]

I was wondering when this subject would come up. It is something I've pondered myself.

If things got so bad here that we a culture-based civil war broke out, I would find myself -as Ann Coulter put it- on the side with the men and the guns. But if that were to happen, there would be more than two groups (left & right) fighting for control. You'd have the hispanics, with drug-runners and MS-13 as their guerilla fighters, the Islamofascists, and China. Not a pretty sight. But if that came about, I'd be fighting to the death for the country my ancestors helped build.

Now if the New New Left managed to infringe on our rights to bear arms, and further restrict our free speech (McCain-Feingold was a big step, and if the Fairness Doctrine is revived things will be really bad.) and go after our right to assemble with Janet Reno-style fury, then a revolution or rebellion would be nearly impossible. They would have a bloodless coup, a Marxist entity, and I would be sneaking out.

Where? For me, the best place is Japan. Let's face it, what other countries allow guns rights like the U.S. has enjoyed for so long? If I can't have guns I might as well go someplace where I wouldn't need them. I can already speak the language, eat their food, drive on the "wrong" side of the road and shift gears with my left hand, plus I find the women attractive. I'll be there in September, so if it all goes to pot here, I'll just not bother coming back.

[IShootBack]

Originally Posted by Pat Hurley

Absent Christ's second coming, what would you do?

Pat Hurley

HOLD MY GROUND.
Maybe head to the hills and live like Jerimiah Johnson if it got bad enough.

[stash247]

Originally Posted by southernshooter

I don't think it could get bad enough for me to leave. I might become an outlaw but I wouldn't leave. this reminds me of a good saying
"When injustice become law, rebellion becomes a must"
On the same note I could move to Russia where you can buy a full auto AK for $75, but it ain't America and I am an American, Just like I am a Southerner and I would never leave the South

We're on the same page, brother!
I lost a neighbor, and his two kids, a few years ago, to a fire they could not escape from, in their home; the reason??? Burglar Bars!
The guy was not a criminal, rather, a fine man, and good father; why, then, should he live in a jail?
Here, in Texas, 'Burglary of a Habitation' is ALWAYS a Felony charge.
We have a strong sense of property rights, civil rights, and Constitutional Rights!
My kids are grown, and such measures have been taken as to make me an "Instant Pauper", the moment before I die, allowing all to go on, as planned, in my absence, for my kids, grandkids, and friends. It would take a phone call to put it into motion, while I was still living.
This is a tremendous luxury, should ever the SHTF, as the government would have absolutely NO leverage, to induce me to 'cease and desist', my own private "Constitutional War".
I am fortunate to be the beneficiary of a lot of very expensive, intensive, government paid training, during my military days, most focusing the skills and techniques of 'Unconventional Warfare'; even more fortunate to have maintained contact, for many years, with a fairly large group of like trained, and like minded people, with whom I served, years ago.
Should things get "That Bad", here, we as a Nation, need to "Fix" them, by any means, or method, available; If the law is wrong, ignore it, and do what is right! If the Government is wrong, correct it, "Fire" it, or destroy it, by whatever means possible.
I write from a small house on the west side of San Antonio, where I have lived for 30 years, or nearly. I won't give in to a burglar, and bar the doors and windows, making me the prisoner, why then would I bow, to a bunch of professional parasites, in DC, if they exceed the Constitution?
I am trying, as I have for many years, to 'get along' with everyone, as it is the way of water, the strongest force on earth, and, so far, I've only had 5 "confrontations", of any consequence, since I left the Military.
I'm proud of that, as my temper, and aggressive ways, cost me a total of thirteen stripes, as a soldier!
But, sometimes there are genuine reasons to be less than passive; the things I risked so much, for so long, in so many strange places, for, is one damned fine start for that list!
Should the Billaries, and Fat Teddies, of this country attempt to take away those things so many have died for, I believe they will remember the years in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, as a short time in Padadise, compared to what will happen here!
Hell, NO, I won't leave! To my dying breath, I will work to fix the problem, from within, or without, as the situation warrants, and train, arm, & encourage others to do the same! This is MY COUNTRY, and, you simply won't run me off!
"Rant Mode Off"
All the best, to all of you, Terry

[hoser1]

If things got that bad, No freedoms, like the USSR, yep, I'm out of here.
Like a rat leaving a sinking ship.
How can you revolt against a Government that controls the military?
I may have guns but I can't match the toys they have. They can watch you with a satellite and push a button and smoke you and you'd never know what hit you.
Stash, I don't have any military or ex-military connections.
It's just me and my few buddies and my family.
Where to go?
I'm not up on the worlds gun laws or freedoms. I'd have to do some homework.

[Pat Hurley]

If most of our freedoms disintegrated, and our Constitution was largely revoked, and a winable fight wasn't in the offing, I'd head for...

1. Tristan de Cunha
2. New Zealand
3. Bahamas
4. Costa Rica
5. Belize
6. Cayman Islands
8. Ireland
9. Singapore
10. Tahiti

And I'd take all my family, my guns, along with a copy of the Constitution.

Pat Hurley

[southernshooter]

No matter what happens if WE as a Militia were fighting against, Government or anybody for that fact Their is one thing to always keep in mind
"ONE MAN CAN CHANGE THE WORLD WITH ENOUGH AMMO"
I would NOT run no matter the situation because I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees running from anybody I don't care the technology or the man power they have

[southernshooter]

Originally Posted by Pat Hurley

If most of our freedoms disintegrated, and our Constitution was largely revoked, and a winable fight wasn't in the offing, I'd head for...

Winnable or not it is still a fight I will give my life for

[armedandsafe]

I have always assumed I will not " die on my feet, fighting back." I shoot much more accurately from the prone.

Pops

[Bruce FLinch]

I feel like moving to Nevada, now. But on the grander scale, if TSHTF, then I would stay & fight. @ 51, I have some fight left in me. Could finally put all the "shooting practice" I've done, to work. From my cold dead hands..

[click]

i would never leave my home! With all its faults its the same country that allows all of us to communicate the way we are on this forum right now. Dont get me wrong, if TSHTF i would be right there on the front lines, sprayin & prayin against the hordes of leftist leaning liberals who would be carrying the same weapons they want to take away from us now! It may be imperfect, but America is still the greatest patch of earth on this planet! Love it, defend it, and vote for the guy you hope will represent most of your concerns in the next election!

[22WRF]

No

Some of my ancesters came here in 1753 from Öschelbronn, Oberamt Pforzheim.
I also have American Indian ancestors.

I owe them not to cut and run.

[smallblock]

that's right. I'm staying and fighting to. to many people died to protect this country,I'm not leaving without a fight.

[Pistolenschutze]

I must agree with the consensus here. There's no way I would leave, but I would certainly fight if necessary! I think I still remember a few of the skills I learned so long ago. Besides, where would one go anyway? Canada? Their laws are even more socialistic than ours. Britain? Same problem. Mexico or South America? Forget it! The only place I can think of would be Antarctica, and it's a bit too chilly down there for my taste.

[xxxxxxl]

Revolution yes! Relocation never!

[Pat Hurley]

I love and appreciate the bravado gents, but you can bet your sweet bippee that gun confiscation would proceed in earnest prior to the worst of the worst hitting the fan. So, while I can see plenty of scenarios where fighting back would be effective, I can also imagine plenty of scenarios where there's not much to fight with and it would be suicidal. Were I single with no children, this may be appealing but my life circumstances dictate more pragmatism.

Where you gonna get ammo if the spigot has been totally shut off? You can bet that the supply would be cut off LONG before the actual firearms confiscation began. How much could you store? How long would it last in an armed resistance atmosphere?

What do you do when the liberal zealots with search warrants come knocking at the door demanding every firearm you own? Comply? Start firing?

Don't think it could happen? Ask our friends in Austrailia.

While I pray that these scenarios are absurdly far fetched, I truly fear that there are a lot of real possibilities contained in them.

Pat Hurley

[southernshooter]

Originally Posted by Pat Hurley

How long would it last in an armed resistance atmosphere?

As long as each one I shot had ammo on them. It will last as long as I am alive

Originally Posted by Pat Hurley

What do you do when the liberal zealots with search warrants come knocking at the door demanding every firearm you own? Comply? Start firing?

I wouldn't start the fighting but I would return force with force. As far as search warrants the only ones that they know I have are the ones I bought from a dealer. In Mississippi their is no gun regestration so I can buy plenty of private to private guns they don't have to know about.

[click]

maybe we can get the ordinance to fight back in this far fetched scenario from the same source the terrorists get theirs. there seems to be an unending supply of it!

[Lead Lobber]

For most of you talking, you have already lost the right to bear arms, because you have allowed local jusistictions to trash your constitutional rights. It goes back to prohiting firearms in town, a theme familiar them in popular westerns. It was easier for Wyatt Earp (and others) to prohibit carriying firearms within city limits than institute a permit process to identify drunks, bandits, et cetera.

It is still legal, according to our contstitution, to pack a gun, concealed, or dangling from one's nose, if one wishes, but most municipalities have muddled the mix with numerous local ordinances that forbid the honest citizen to carry arms for self protection. It is time to roll back these arbitrary assumptions and fire any politician (like Diane Feinstien) that advocates that our citizenery not be allowed to fight back.

The most important point is this: If you do not know your rights, they can easily be taken away.

LL