Question: Would you leave if things got really bad?

[LurpyGeek]

Not to say that this kind of a situation could never happen, but just a thought for everyone... Many of you have mentioned your time served in the military and how that has given you both a devotion to your country and skills necessary to defend it... Don't you think that many of those serving in our armed forces right now feel the same way? If our society became more and more fully socialistic and these warantless searches and other things mentioned above came to be, who would enforce these new orders? A bunch of hippies that have been forced to carry rifles because no one else will do it?

[berto64]

I abstain from comment. The ABC's are reading/listening.

[Deputy Dawg]

Originally Posted by berto64

I abstain from comment. The ABC's are reading/listening.

That my friend is why I do not say how I really feel about things most of the time.

[BobMcG]

Leave my country? No. Leave my state? Yes.

[Pat Hurley]

Originally Posted by berto64

I abstain from comment. The ABC's are reading/listening.

ABC's? Is this some vague reference to Sesame Street?

Pat Hurley

[Bruce FLinch]

Would whoever, when they leave, take some of those D**M illegal aliens with them, PLEASE!

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by Pat Hurley

ABC's? Is this some vague reference to Sesame Street?

Pat Hurley

Pat, you're wacky....

mike
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[Huck Finn]

Okay, I'll bite....What's an ABC ?

[Light Coat]

I couldn't leave; I'd have way too much fun getting to play with chemicals. If I just had to leave, I would likely go back to South Africa central Europe is the other choice.

[jvbladeslinger]

I'm 41yrs. old served spec. force 84-91 & will fight tooth& nail for my 5 kids to grow up free & american, but... there comes a time when you beat a dead horse & when it comes I have a coastal running hoseboat & we'll load up & go where the lord leads us. There will be peace on earth but not till Christ's reign begins. I'll stay off the radar till then. I am a devout christian but don't beliave in the rapture. I do believe I'll be here to clean up afterwards though.

[Deputy Dawg]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

Okay, I'll bite....What's an ABC ?

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PS.
BATF.

[Pat Hurley]

Originally Posted by Deputy Dawg

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PS.
BATF.

There seems to be a distinct disconnect in this thread. When asked what folks would do - fight or leave (and if it's "leave", where would you go) - most of you said you'd stand your ground, fight till the death, blah, blah, blah. Well, now somebody has suggested that perhaps the very people who may be, in the future, leading the charge to confiscate weapons and our rights along with them, could be participating in this forum and WHAMO!suddenly some of you are hiding in a corner with a blankets over your heads, fearful to spell out your true thoughts!

These are only words; words expressing what one would do in a fictional (or not) future. C'mon fellas, time for a gut check. Getting spooked at expressing your lawful opinions doesn't speak well to our collective nerve.

Pat Hurley

[southernshooter]

None of us have done anything illegal so I am not worried if ATF reads it the could decide to pull a random check on me even if I wasn't on the forum. So in the mean time back on topic.
If their came a point that winning was impossible and death was imenent I would send my family whereever is the safest but I would stay. I can't leave I didn't leave when Columbus came over and mistreated my ancestor so their is no way that some Government organazation would ever chase me away or force me to give up my rights. The only way they will ever take my rights away is if I let them and that ain't happening while I am still breathing.

[Pat Hurley]

Let me simplify the topic for everyone. Pretend, for a moment, that you are a Russian citizen circa 1916 and the Bolshaviks are about to take over, or a Cuban citizen circa 1958 with Fidel about to take over, and you have a crystal ball to see the decades of sheer misery that were to come. Would you stay? Now pretend it's 2015 here in America, and your crystal ball shows you an immediate future as bleak and horrible as the examples above. Now then, would you stay or would you collect yourself and your family and go?

If so, where would you go? Be specific.

[southernshooter]

If that was the case I would send my Family and loved ones to Australia because it is a small self contained Country. I would give them each one gun and plenty of ammo to insure a safe trip to the island beacuse their will be many idiots leaving at the same time they would. Other than that I would probably roam around gathering suppies myself here were I stay. The reason I would feel so safe where I am at is 5 miles south from my house their is more than a half a dozen Islands with plenty of animals to live off of.

[jvbladeslinger]

Originally Posted by southernshooter

If that was the case I would send my Family and loved ones to Australia because it is a small self contained Country. I would give them each one gun and plenty of ammo to insure a safe trip to the island beacuse their will be many idiots leaving at the same time they would. Other than that I would probably roam around gathering suppies myself here were I stay. The reason I would feel so safe where I am at is 5 miles south from my house their is more than a half a dozen Islands with plenty of animals to live off of.

Australia is not a good place to run to! They won't even let citizens from the outback keep thier firearms for protection, from what I understand. You think as a immigrant they would let you? As far as ABC's, I talk about things like this in public all the time & welcome them to call me on my first Ammendment rights! I'll splash it all over the news so fast they'll wonder if our founding fathers were back from the gave & coaching the team!

[southernshooter]

If things got really bad here it would be alot worse then Australia. And also I said that the guns would be for a safe trip not while they are their. Just when they are on their way their

[stash247]

Southern., JVbladeslinger, you both make valid points, as does Pistol.
JV, what Group? I was 1st, (Oki), then 46th Co, then 5th (RVN), my second tour; you, obviously, languished at the same expensive, intensive,training trough I did!
Point is, my whole purpose in the Military was to train, and mobilize, an indigenous fighting force in the face of adversity, and with alacrity, as there were only a handful of us 'round eyes', in any given AO! Our very survival depended on our skills as warriors, and more importantly, as "Teachers of Warriors".
And on planning, always planning. Many A-sites we conctructed were created with the means for their total destruction, laid in, first, then the 'Improvements', atop them, with the idea that, if over run, we'd not go, alone!
I suspect all on this board have an 'alternative place to be', whether the 'lake house', a houseboat, a ranch or farm some distance from the principal residence, or, even, a storage room, off site. Mine has weapons, lots of ammo compatible with them, and enough MRE's, medical supplies, and water, to 'go to ground' for a very long time, if I must, but, by design, simply a remote center of operations, requiring me to bring little more than my simple self, to be 'up and running'.
One of mine is about thirty acres, with a travel trailer on it, a spare truck, fuel, and water aplenty, known to exist in that location, by two daughters, one son in law, and my two best friends; got room for them all, if need be, but by it's nature, safe from bipedal predators!
Another, on a buddy's farm, in a different direction, gets used less, but there's a airtight 'can' in the barn, with all the **** a young man would need to stay 'lost', or "go private", according to his notion, indefinitely.
This kind of preparation will cost a few bucks, to be sure, but, when it comes right down to it, WTF would you do with money, should the situation come to this? Buy a Cop???
Please consider what I have said, at least, for a bit. Nothing you 'stash' cannot be used, if you choose, tomorrow, and replaced; Everything on my list, for every 'Alternative CP' is 'below the horizon' of governmental recordkeeping; in their minds, non-existant!
While the probability is very low, the stakes are very high: surely it is worth the effort of adequate preparation!

[jvbladeslinger]

Originally Posted by stash247

Southern., JVbladeslinger, you both make valid points, as does Pistol.
JV, what Group? I was 1st, (Oki), then 46th Co, then 5th (RVN), my second tour; you, obviously, languished at the same expensive, intensive,training trough I did!
Point is, my whole purpose in the Military was to train, and mobilize, an indigenous fighting force in the face of adversity, and with alacrity, as there were only a handful of us 'round eyes', in any given AO! Our very survival depended on our skills as warriors, and more importantly, as "Teachers of Warriors".
And on planning, always planning. Many A-sites we conctructed were created with the means for their total destruction, laid in, first, then the 'Improvements', atop them, with the idea that, if over run, we'd not go, alone!
I suspect all on this board have an 'alternative place to be', whether the 'lake house', a houseboat, a ranch or farm some distance from the principal residence, or, even, a storage room, off site. Mine has weapons, lots of ammo compatible with them, and enough MRE's, medical supplies, and water, to 'go to ground' for a very long time, if I must, but, by design, simply a remote center of operations, requiring me to bring little more than my simple self, to be 'up and running'.
One of mine is about thirty acres, with a travel trailer on it, a spare truck, fuel, and water aplenty, known to exist in that location, by two daughters, one son in law, and my two best friends; got room for them all, if need be, but by it's nature, safe from bipedal predators!
Another, on a buddy's farm, in a different direction, gets used less, but there's a airtight 'can' in the barn, with all the **** a young man would need to stay 'lost', or "go private", according to his notion, indefinitely.
This kind of preparation will cost a few bucks, to be sure, but, when it comes right down to it, WTF would you do with money, should the situation come to this? Buy a Cop???
Please consider what I have said, at least, for a bit. Nothing you 'stash' cannot be used, if you choose, tomorrow, and replaced; Everything on my list, for every 'Alternative CP' is 'below the horizon' of governmental recordkeeping; in their minds, non-existant!
While the probability is very low, the stakes are very high: surely it is worth the effort of adequate preparation!

Stash, I was a member of the S.E.A.L. teams,#4 The maladjusted. I also have a basecamp set up for family & a few freinds but if it got too bad (can't hold position any longer) then I do have the houseboat plan as back-up. I'm not letting anyone run me out with out paying a dear price for every acre they get. I also understand that sometimes you have to step back , get you're breath then re-evaluate. I won't leave till i'm out of men, support or options. remember a lot of stuff can be "liberated" during squirmishes but it's hard to replace trained men you can trust you're families life with!

[Highlander]

I served eight years active duty (US Army Airborne) two tours RVN. I would never leave the USA, but I will fight if I must. Losing the rights that I served and fought to protect falls under the heading Must Fight.

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by Highlander

I served eight years active duty (US Army Airborne) two tours RVN. I would never leave the USA, but I will fight if I must. Losing the rights that I served and fought to protect falls under the heading Must Fight.

Welcome to TFF, Highlander! Glad to have you with us!

I think you will find most of us pretty much agree with your sentiments on this issue, and many of us have been where you were as well. I also must agree with jvb's point that "sometimes you have to step back , get you're breath then re-evaluate." Dying "gloriously" in some foolish and ill conceived skermish with an overwhelming force may be heroic, but it is also pretty stupid. What's more, it won't protect one's family very effectively either. I was just an 11-bravo grunt with three stripes, but they taught me (and my experiences confirmed it) that it is always better to think first, and then shoot!

[Nortranman]

I don't see it as a matter of choice. I would stay and fight because any other idea doesn't even come to mind. Even if it weren't that I am loyal to the United States (the people) there is the issue of the land itself. What is here is mine. I worked and served to make it mine. If my government turns against me for my beliefs, and goes so far as to attempt to displace me without just cause, I'm afraid I would go down fightin' and never give up. I haven't lived all these years to be driven from the land of my birth by anyone.

[Highlander]

Thanks for the welcome. You are of course right you must think things out before you act. The lessons learned in RVN may have been lost on our goverment but they were not lost on me. Don't get into a stand up fight with a professional army. Hit and run, take one or two when you can and run. Use gun and ammo hides over a wide area. Hand loading should be learned and used often. Don't die for your beliefs make the enemy die for theirs. At one time I took a oath to protect my country from enemies both foreign and domestic I beleive that is still my duty.

[358 winchester]

WOW I am some what surprised by a few answers
There are a lot of OLD soldiers around and most I think will stand their ground! There are a lot of current soldiers around that will not do as ordered when it comes to attacking the folks that they grew up with or their parents, some will but not many!
That is why THEY want to bring in a UN Police Force so that there is a way to control all of us.
RUN HELL NO !!!
Retreat to fight another day, maybe!!
Give up my land to another person for free Hell NO !!!!!
Pat would I move to another country? yes the new found state of "RON'S Place"
I can be called a terrorist or a fugitive or a criminal or what ever they want to call me but I am standing my ground and I have several years worth of beans rice canned meats skills and equipment to do just that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After two years nine months three weeks and four days in RVN I have learned a lot about how to see without being seen. I wasn't a fool then nor one now. (I can hide better then a cockroach in a NY City Church )

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COMPONENTS
DRIED BEANS
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TRADE GOODS
BE READY FOR THE WORST HOPE FOR THE BEST
GIVE ALL YOU HAVE (when they come for your stuff)
CHOOSE THE ORDER THEY GET IT
RON

[Deputy Dawg]

Originally Posted by 358winchester

That is why THEY want to bring in a UN Police Force so that there is a way to control all of us.
RUN HELL NO !!!

Ron ,that is the very reason why we need to get out of the U.N.You said it ,preach on.I agree with you 110%