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Pat Hurley · 03-30-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesen

Yeah but the dress blue uniform of a chief is the most awesome uniform I have ever seen! The hubby is a retired USCG (Uncle Sam's Confused Group)and in his blues with his hash marks for 24 years service it's an impressive sight. I had hoped with the problems they solved during and after Katrina they would have gotten a little more recognition. Even the swimmer movie "The Guardian" didn't seem to make a difference.

Semper paratius is a way of life with him. Hell my anniversary is August 4th!

see ya
Bree

I think that the Coast Guard is an awesome service, grossly under appreciated, grossly underfunded, and more important to our national security than ever. And I agree that their uniforms are gorgeous in caparison to the Navy's dungarees.

I only wish that I could get more specific answers to my questions on their armament, ordinance, and maximum naval warfare abilities in a time of war.

Long live the Coasties!

Mesen · 03-30-2007, 08:20 PM

when the hubby gets home I will put him in front of the puter. He usually just does solitare but in this case he may make an exception

see ya
Bree

nightfighter · 03-30-2007, 08:58 PM

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Nightfighter, I was enlisted, we did not have dress whites, those were for the commisioned officers only! Our uniforms wee more like the Air Force, than the Navy. To me a working blue uniform is more comfortable than those funny looking "dungarees" the navy enlisted wear.

At the risk of dating myself, the CG uniforms in the 60's or so were identical to navy uniforms. The only way to tell Coast Guard form Navy uniform was the little black shield on the enlisted Summer whites, or the white shield (for dept. of treasury)on the sleeve of the enlisted navy blue Winter uniform. Later uniforms were and are of course, different.

Pistolenschutze · 03-30-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Hurley

I think that the Coast Guard is an awesome service, grossly under appreciated, grossly underfunded, and more important to our national security than ever.

I completely agree, Pat. In a very real sense, the Coast Guard is the only service that is at war all the time: against smuggers, druggies, and most often, the very forces of nature itself. Today the role of the Coast Guard, as you mention, has become paramount. Terrorists are not likely to attack us with battleships or missile cruisers, but rather clandestinely through inflitration of our borders.

Mesen · 03-30-2007, 11:45 PM

Ok, here we go:

1. 5"38 on the high endurance cutters and 3"50 on the medium endurance ones. They are for shore bombardment, anti-aircraft and vessell to vessel bombardment.

2. Yes. Since the days of the Civil War-days of black powder and cannonballs. Who won? depends on who you ask.

3. Est. in 1790 and done everything that the government has asked since no matter what it was.

4. No

5. Nuke torpedeos against opposing vessels. (removed from them in the 1980's) nuke tipped torpedeos

6. Who says they don't? depends on the type. they do have anti-sub devices of various kinds.

FYI: They were established in 1790 to raise funds for the US and were part of the Dept. of Revenue, then transferred to the Treasury Dept., then the Transportation Dept. and now Homeland Security as the fella earlier said.

They are the least appreciated service except when they're needed and then they are there to do what needs to be done.

One of his favorite shirts says" Smokies of the Sea". Like the Highway Patrol, they're on call and never know what's next, drugs, weather, boating accident or back up for another service. They fit the niche between the services and LEO's, that gray area that doesn't exist in most folks world.

In 1985 there was still an active USCG station in 34 countries. That was the official count.

Coast Guard dress uniforms changed to the Air Force blue/bus driver uniforms in 1974. They kept the khaki uniforms for Chief's/ officers throughout history. Depended on what type of officer they were.

see ya
Bree

17thfabn · 04-04-2007, 05:36 PM

Mesen the 5" guns on the largest cutters were replaced with rapid fire dual purpose 76mm guns. These guns have a smaller round, but higher rate of fire.

The cutter I was on used to have a World War to era 3" manualy loaded gun. I see on the websites they have been replaced with 25mm rapid fire guns, similar to the gun carried by the Army's bradly fighting vehicle.

The harpon anti-ship missiles have been removed from Coast Guard Cutters.

Pat Hurley, you asked about the Coast guards combat ability. The Coast Guard is a nitch force. They are used for special operations such as harbor patrol, and shallow water patrols where larger navy ships might not be able to go. Coast Guard cutters are just not as heavily armed as enemy frigat or destroyer. Many contries have small fast attack missile boats that are more heavily armed.

sorral · 05-20-2007, 10:46 PM

My father was a DI at the Alameda training center in California in the late 70s, early 80s

If any of you Coasties were there at that time, please pm me!

Sharpshooter · 05-20-2007, 11:25 PM

Anybody else see the 60 minutes segment on USCG procurement since 9/11? 24 billion with a B down the rathole. Lots of questions but very few answers. Grumman and Lockheed took the USCG for tons of money with NO oversight. The new extended cutters have been declared unseaworthy. They can't even be used for river patrol because of structural problems.

berto64 · 05-21-2007, 08:30 PM

Pat,

Here's a site to point your boy at if he's a Coast Guard fan....

http://www.fredsplace.org/

BillP · 09-20-2007, 04:38 PM

When I was in Sandusky, OH (on Lake Erie) I got to know a Coast Guardsman. That group was considered a "lifesaving" detail but they were beginning to have trouble with drug interdictions, Canadian commercial fisherman poaching walleye in US water as well as boatloads of drunks. The only firearm they had was a 1903 Springfield rifle that had been converted to a line throwing device. When things got hinkey they would have one of the crew sit on a hatch cover with the rifle. For armed backup, they had to depend on the Ohio DNR officers or several police patrol boats.
I expect that things have gotten better for them over the years and now as part of Homeland Security, they would at least have proper small arms.

03-30-2007, 08:20 PM	#27
Mesen Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: BFE,mo Posts: 1,229	Re: Coast Guard questions when the hubby gets home I will put him in front of the puter. He usually just does solitare but in this case he may make an exception see ya Bree __________________ Leading the way for freedom, our veterans will not be forgotten! www.ladiesauxvfw.com

03-30-2007, 11:45 PM	#30
Mesen Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: BFE,mo Posts: 1,229	Re: Coast Guard questions Ok, here we go: 1. 5"38 on the high endurance cutters and 3"50 on the medium endurance ones. They are for shore bombardment, anti-aircraft and vessell to vessel bombardment. 2. Yes. Since the days of the Civil War-days of black powder and cannonballs. Who won? depends on who you ask. 3. Est. in 1790 and done everything that the government has asked since no matter what it was. 4. No 5. Nuke torpedeos against opposing vessels. (removed from them in the 1980's) nuke tipped torpedeos 6. Who says they don't? depends on the type. they do have anti-sub devices of various kinds. FYI: They were established in 1790 to raise funds for the US and were part of the Dept. of Revenue, then transferred to the Treasury Dept., then the Transportation Dept. and now Homeland Security as the fella earlier said. They are the least appreciated service except when they're needed and then they are there to do what needs to be done. One of his favorite shirts says" Smokies of the Sea". Like the Highway Patrol, they're on call and never know what's next, drugs, weather, boating accident or back up for another service. They fit the niche between the services and LEO's, that gray area that doesn't exist in most folks world. In 1985 there was still an active USCG station in 34 countries. That was the official count. Coast Guard dress uniforms changed to the Air Force blue/bus driver uniforms in 1974. They kept the khaki uniforms for Chief's/ officers throughout history. Depended on what type of officer they were. see ya Bree __________________ Leading the way for freedom, our veterans will not be forgotten! www.ladiesauxvfw.com

04-04-2007, 05:36 PM	#31
17thfabn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North bank of the mighty Ohio River Posts: 847	Re: Coast Guard questions Mesen the 5" guns on the largest cutters were replaced with rapid fire dual purpose 76mm guns. These guns have a smaller round, but higher rate of fire. The cutter I was on used to have a World War to era 3" manualy loaded gun. I see on the websites they have been replaced with 25mm rapid fire guns, similar to the gun carried by the Army's bradly fighting vehicle. The harpon anti-ship missiles have been removed from Coast Guard Cutters. Pat Hurley, you asked about the Coast guards combat ability. The Coast Guard is a nitch force. They are used for special operations such as harbor patrol, and shallow water patrols where larger navy ships might not be able to go. Coast Guard cutters are just not as heavily armed as enemy frigat or destroyer. Many contries have small fast attack missile boats that are more heavily armed. __________________ "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world!" Albert Einstein "The opportunist thinks of me and today. The statesman thinks of us and tomorrow." Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S. President & Five Star General. Rock and Roll forever, rap, hip hop and disco never! Last edited by 17thfabn; 04-04-2007 at 07:31 PM..

05-20-2007, 10:46 PM	#32
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Re: Coast Guard questions My father was a DI at the Alameda training center in California in the late 70s, early 80s If any of you Coasties were there at that time, please pm me!

05-20-2007, 11:25 PM	#33
Sharpshooter Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 28	Re: Coast Guard questions Anybody else see the 60 minutes segment on USCG procurement since 9/11? 24 billion with a B down the rathole. Lots of questions but very few answers. Grumman and Lockheed took the USCG for tons of money with NO oversight. The new extended cutters have been declared unseaworthy. They can't even be used for river patrol because of structural problems.

05-21-2007, 08:30 PM	#34
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: Coast Guard questions Pat, Here's a site to point your boy at if he's a Coast Guard fan.... http://www.fredsplace.org/ __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

09-20-2007, 04:38 PM	#35
BillP V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: On a lake near Detroit Lakes, MN Posts: 192	Re: Coast Guard questions When I was in Sandusky, OH (on Lake Erie) I got to know a Coast Guardsman. That group was considered a "lifesaving" detail but they were beginning to have trouble with drug interdictions, Canadian commercial fisherman poaching walleye in US water as well as boatloads of drunks. The only firearm they had was a 1903 Springfield rifle that had been converted to a line throwing device. When things got hinkey they would have one of the crew sit on a hatch cover with the rifle. For armed backup, they had to depend on the Ohio DNR officers or several police patrol boats. I expect that things have gotten better for them over the years and now as part of Homeland Security, they would at least have proper small arms.