What .22 Rifle is the most accurate?

[Damron692]

If you want an accurate .22 package.
I've got a Ruger SR22. The day I bought it, I yanked out the stock barrel.
Replaced it with a longer Butler Creek heavy barrel and a 60$ scope.
I took the stock cocking handle and rod and spring and replaced them with parts from a Ruger10/22, they are a little different.
And using 40gr HP Dyna point ammo from Walmart.
Its a tack driver. Most accurate .22 I've ever fired.
Shot a grouse at about 40m last year. One shot. Head shot.
All that was left was a beak and eyes. The rest of the head was all gone lol.
I was impressed. Till the dam thing started flapping its wings n brain matter all over the place.
Tasted awesome.

[300 H&H]

Damron692,

Really a hummer you got there? Maybe you could round up all the dollar bills you can, and head to my house, and we can shoot for money.....This thread was written by me some 1,500 posts ago. Just so you can see some of the hardware we were talking about back then, I will post a pic of the rifle I would use if you were here shooting for dollar bills.....



Just so you know, those of us who shoot ALOT and shoot fine target rifles are not to scared of shooting against anything Ruger or from Wall Mart... Nothing aginst these, but the rifles being dicussed here are quite a bit more accurate than the combination you posted, I dare say. Almost forget about this post...Stash 247 answered in it, first one he did for me. And a good friendship was had. I really miss having Terry around here....damn.

He was killed in a car wreck a couple of years ago.

Regards, Kirk

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by 300 H&H

Almost forget about this post...Stash 247 answered in it, first one he did for me. And a good friendship was had. I really miss having Terry around here....damn.

He was killed in a car wreck a couple of years ago.

Regards, Kirk

I'm with you, Kirk.

I was searching for something last night, and I ended up stumbling across a thread that he had posted on numerous time. It brought back a lot of good memories.

His experience and wisdom are truly missed.

[dksac2]

Not one single rifle mentioned is accurate unless you can shoot it.

Lots of beautiful rifles shown.

The one everyone forgot, and it would not rank on top, but will outshoot many mentioned with some work is the H&R 5200 or Model 12.
For a low price, they are great shooters.

John K

[William Harper]

For its weight, I must concede my CZ Ultra Lux 2007 SUPEREXCLUSIVE at 7 Lbs with the Aguila Interceptor, which it loves, outshoots every .22LR rifle I have encountered since 1949. I shot both Winchester 52D, Remington 40X, and DCM Springfield 1922 on the UGA Varsity Rifle Team from 1962-1966. I shot the CZ Ultra Lux in experiments to medium range 300-600 meters against the best 19th century black powder medium range rifles. Groups sizes tangent sights 100 yards- 1.25 inches, 200 meters- 2.5-3", 300 meters- 4.5". With Mendoza receiver sight: 300 meters- 3.27", 400 meters-7", 500 meters- 10", 600 meters- 12". Those are the smallest groups all in quiet air using the Aguila Interceptor 40 gr .22 LR 1465 fps av. chronographed from this rifle's 28.8" barrel. Furthest squirrel kill, pre-measured distance, with tangent sight and a 12X to tell he was a squirrel- 309 paces. From my range work he stood a 40% chance of being missed clean and a 60% chance of being killed instantly; it was the latter, raked head to hip before he heard the rifleshot. All of the experiments above can be repeated on calm days up to 90 degrees F. I like the heat for the 600 meter work. Now you know why I esteem the CZ Ultra Lux. Penetration at 600 meters was the bullet's length plus 1/16 inch. All holes were round. But I don't think shooting past 600 practical.

[300 H&H]

William,

I have one of those CZ rifles, the early version with a silver trigger and "orange" beech wood stock. The only sights I have had on it are Brno micrometer peeps and a globe front sight with inserts. The groups I have shot with it are very good at 50 yds. with SK rifle match. ( I find it cuts a easier to see hole that Wolf match extra I usualy shoot) BUT to go as far as to say it will beat out either my 52D or my 40X would be hard to say without a scope. I payed $200 fo mine in the box new. I have always thought the pencil weight 29" barrel has such exaggerated barrel harmonics, relative to other 22 rifles ,for it to be a serious contender, off the bench. Especiall using not only high speed ammo, but hyper velocity stuff. Usually it won't hold a candle to the sub sonic at common ranges anyway.... This is due to the bullet picking up a wobble as it transitions to subsonic flight. It is why in a cross wind, subsonic drifts less. In a 22 rifle it would be very hard if not impossible to be supersonic at even 50 yards, much less at 600. 550+ yards with the bullet up set and wobbling slightly cann't be a good thing. But at 200 yards witch is all the farther I have benched a 22, they can do quite well in still wind. But I always do this with subsonic, and there fore no transition form supersonic involved. You just need a lot of sight adjustment.


If these rifles are such wonder guns I wonder why I have never seen one being used in a match? Especially when I own one!

And I shoot in NRA match's...

Best regards, Kirk

[deadin]

Simple question............... If the Winchester 52 whatever is the most accurate rifle ever made, why aren't they being used in the world championships? And why are Walther, Anschultz, etc. wasting their time making their $2000-$3000 target rifles that are being used in world competition?

[Big ugly]

Who knows, But I will tell you this. I would put my Remington 513-T up against any one of these. I have shot thumb tacks off the targets a 50yards with it on a calm day and that is no Joke. I used to agervate the hell out of the Small Bore Judge at out Rod and Gun Club shoots up in Ohio. Ben Winters- He would make me by him a thing of tacks every other week.

[hunter29180]

Originally Posted by Rembrandt

Had Tom Volquartsen build me a 10/22 back when he was a young pup and could be found regularly at the Des Moines gun shows. Use it to shoot flies at 100 yards...

Umm how do you know the fly just didnt get the $%@* out of dodge? the bullet is as big or bigger than the fly!! unless they are TEXAS flies of course then they shoot back!!

the most accurate rifle is the one you hit the target the most with! ( answer from a old MARINE sharpshooter when asked same question)

[300 H&H]

deadin,

Good point, must not forget about the Anschutz and Walthers. Great shooters. Also Suhl, as they are a factory rifle that can win as well. IMHO, the American made rifles are up to the task of grouping with these over a bench rest. They fall sort however in positiion shooting, as they lack stock adjustments, and their triggers are not up to Anschutz standards. But the barrels of a good 40X or a 52 are. Custom barrels made right here in the USA can be installed on these rifles as well, making them even better...It's too bad none of our manufactures are even in the game much any more...

Thanks for the reminder...

Kirk

[deadin]

I would think that if a 52 or 40X offered any advantage over the mentioned European guns in position competition, someone would be restocking them with adjustable stocks.
However, the same comment can apply to benchrest. Are any of the Euroguns being restocked for benchrest?
Maybe the disciplines are just too far apart at the highest levels for any crossovers.

[mr.t7024]

This is one question that is too difficult to call!

[ozo]

My old range was in an arroyo in northern NM. We set measured targets at 25yds
and 100yds. Many of the targets, for fun, were pennies and kitchen matches.
[I didn't have CD's to print unlimited targets like today]
The best out-of the-box, non-custom shooters were consistently the
Marlin 39D and a JC Higgins single-shot, manual-cock, in that order.
1970 to 1982 respectively. I still have the 39D and it has been through
some rough times, but it is still a top dog.
I don't remember all the .22s we had then, but there were many. My brother
tried to trade a beautiful 39A for my 39D but it wouldn't hold nearly the same
pattern on paper. [this brings back memories of the fixed shooting vises we
made from wooden carpenters glue clamps]
{I posted this because the title of the thread was somewhat generic in that
all shooters are not created equal no matter what is in their hands, and many
shooters can't afford to custom build a fine target rifle.
" What .22 Rifle is the most accurate?" is a great topic as you see. It has brought out
shooters that many people haven't even heard of. That being said, no offense meant,
my post is simply for the little wallet folks.}

"This is one question that is too difficult to call!"-mrt
I love my country and my many freedoms of choices.....GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!!

[deerhunterrick]

This is directed to 300 H&H , Kirk you got 1 sweet looking shooter there. You are 120% right in stating for those of us who shoot alot. It's a shame when a guy thinks his discount store rifle can compete with a $3500 fine piece of furniture. It always comes down to the dollars though to close the deal. I have this discusion with many a wish-he-could shoot shooters owning Ruger 10/22 hammer fordged's. They can shoot @ 25 & 50 , but when they are out to 100 they fall by the wayside fast. Hear how their Ruger will shoot 1/4" groups at 30 yards,lol.. When I pull a 100 off that sizes 0.203" and I tell them I didn't read the wind right or it's a new lot number. Ya tell them you shoot Red Squirrels @ over 100 yards they tell me it can't be done. Need a bit more optic now though getting old I guess. My 20x leupold is getting to look more like my 10T @100. Whats your take on the 36T or 36 Sightron

[ultramag44]

I have a Winchester 52C. The serial number on the bolt doesn't match the serial # on the receiver, but the headspace seems to be within tolerance.

It's not glass bedded or anything. I did carefully adjust the trigger to a safe 1-1/4 lb.

The Unertl is a 30X I picked up. I keep the spring fairly tight. I do not touch the scope tube after I begin shooting. The tube is waxed down w/ Howard's Feed N Wax. I only tighten the screws w/ a quarter. The blocks on the barrel are equal height (low blocks).

I hold the forend tight, and down on the bags. The pistol grip is held w/ moderate pressure, butt gently against my shoulder.

I messed up on shot # 5 of a 5 shot group. The tails on my flag dropped, and I failed to notice it. 4 shots in one hole @ 50 yards (where a bullet will still stick in that hole) isn't too bad. I can't say it's the most accurate rifle out there, but not bad for a 1956 rifle & 1960's scope.



5 shot group @ 50 yards

[Pustic]

The one that I own, my Rossi Gallery gun.

[coonbait]

heck, my custom 10/22 will shoot wolf ammo into a one hole 5 shot group all day, as long as i do my part and the wind is calm at 50yds and 1/2-3/4 at 100yds. and it only cost me $750 to make....

[mangusta]

Originally Posted by deadin

I would think that if a 52 or 40X offered any advantage over the mentioned European guns in position competition, someone would be restocking them with adjustable stocks.
However, the same comment can apply to benchrest. Are any of the Euroguns being restocked for benchrest?
Maybe the disciplines are just too far apart at the highest levels for any crossovers.

Anschutz sell a BR50 benchrest in their new 20 series action, 3 inch wide forestock with no accessory rail, purpose built for benchrest shooting

[PBK 380]

From my experience the Winchester 52 D takes the prize.
I used this Morley for 3 years in competation, it is a fantastic shooter.

[MJ1]

Well this one is scary accurate at 100 yards.

[Ledslnger]

Originally Posted by hunter29180

Umm how do you know the fly just didnt get the $%@* out of dodge? the bullet is as big or bigger than the fly!! unless they are TEXAS flies of course then they shoot back!!

the most accurate rifle is the one you hit the target the most with! ( answer from a old MARINE sharpshooter when asked same question)

You see evidence of their death. Ever shoot a sparrow with a .223? The sparrow doesn't fly off so fast they leave a ton of feathers behind.

[Ledslnger]

Originally Posted by 300 H&H

Damron692,

Really a hummer you got there? Maybe you could round up all the dollar bills you can, and head to my house, and we can shoot for money.....This thread was written by me some 1,500 posts ago. Just so you can see some of the hardware we were talking about back then, I will post a pic of the rifle I would use if you were here shooting for dollar bills.....

Just so you know, those of us who shoot ALOT and shoot fine target rifles are not to scared of shooting against anything Ruger or from Wall Mart... Nothing aginst these, but the rifles being dicussed here are quite a bit more accurate than the combination you posted, I dare say. Almost forget about this post...Stash 247 answered in it, first one he did for me. And a good friendship was had. I really miss having Terry around here....damn.

He was killed in a car wreck a couple of years ago.

Regards, Kirk

I recently picked up an older Anschutz and am getting used to shooting it, stock is different than I am used to and I am trying out various ammo. Honestly, I have a Ruger 10/22 from the 70s that doesn't shoot bad at all comparatively to the Anschutz. The Ruger is bone stock too. I don't think Volquartsen would choose to build their rifles around a dog rifle system if it performed as badly as you imply Kirk. I also think the guys at Volquartsen know a bit more about .22s than you do. And, I honestly believe there are lots of modded Rugers out there that would cook you day in and day out. Considering the 10/22 is probably the best selling .22 out there and has proven itself time and time again for decades it is sad that you doubt it and try to put people down that believe it is a good outfit. If I hadn't dropped all my money on a nice Icon Precision Ruger .204 and some old .22s I would love to mod a Ruger and take your money.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Ledslnger

I recently picked up an older Anschutz and am getting used to shooting it, stock is different than I am used to and I am trying out various ammo. Honestly, I have a Ruger 10/22 from the 70s that doesn't shoot bad at all comparatively to the Anschutz. The Ruger is bone stock too. I don't think Volquartsen would choose to build their rifles around a dog rifle system if it performed as badly as you imply Kirk. I also think the guys at Volquartsen know a bit more about .22s than you do.

If it were a great rifle as is, no one would be buying all these aftermarket parts. You don't hear of too many people replacing any parts on their Anschutz, Winchester 52, Remington 40x, etc., let alone replacing the vast majority of them.

Don't get me wrong; I have a 10/22, and I love it. My wife gave it to me as a wedding present, and I don't think I'll ever get rid of it.
But it's not as accurate as my Remington 512 bolt action from the 1940s, and the 512 isn't even a true target rifle.

And, I honestly believe there are lots of modded Rugers out there that would cook you day in and day out. Considering the 10/22 is probably the best selling .22 out there and has proven itself time and time again for decades it is sad that you doubt it and try to put people down that believe it is a good outfit. If I hadn't dropped all my money on a nice Icon Precision Ruger .204 and some old .22s I would love to mod a Ruger and take your money.

Marlin 60 has sold way more than the 10/22. Something like 5 million 10/22s and 11 million Marlin 60s. And mass production sales numbers have absolutely nothing to do with performance anyway. Sales are driven by market, and there are way more people who can shoot 4 MOA and pay for a $200 rifle than who can shoot 1/4 MOA and pay for a $2000+ rifle.

A lot more Honda Civics are sold than Indy cars, and some of those Civics look pretty fast on the highway, but which one is the right choice for serious race?

[mr.t7024]

For those who posted so far, thanks for the Education. Cliff!

[Ledslnger]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

If it were a great rifle as is, no one would be buying all these aftermarket parts. You don't hear of too many people replacing any parts on their Anschutz, Winchester 52, Remington 40x, etc., let alone replacing the vast majority of them.

Don't get me wrong; I have a 10/22, and I love it. My wife gave it to me as a wedding present, and I don't think I'll ever get rid of it.
But it's not as accurate as my Remington 512 bolt action from the 1940s, and the 512 isn't even a true target rifle.



Marlin 60 has sold way more than the 10/22. Something like 5 million 10/22s and 11 million Marlin 60s. And mass production sales numbers have absolutely nothing to do with performance anyway. Sales are driven by market, and there are way more people who can shoot 4 MOA and pay for a $200 rifle than who can shoot 1/4 MOA and pay for a $2000+ rifle.

A lot more Honda Civics are sold than Indy cars, and some of those Civics look pretty fast on the highway, but which one is the right choice for serious race?

Just because you CAN mod something doesn't mean it doesn't rock already. Your theory really makes a lot of cars look bad then. You can mod the heck out of new Mustangs and Cudas and I think that many are pretty great from the factory. Modding is done by many because they want something DIFFERENT from others, not always because they believe the performance is lacking. A 10/22 was designed to be an all around great rifle and it is. It is the AK-47 of the .22 world. I have no doubts I could drop it in mud for a week pull it out, abuse it, and it will keep on ticking. I don't know if your 512 would be so lucky or if you would feel as comfortable leaving it in the mud for a week with my 10/22. The other thing is the 512 probably costs more in today's dollars than the Ruger does. I don't have any problems with it's accuracy. Mine is bone stock with a 70s era Redfield 3x9 scope and at 50 yards I have never had problems with tree rat head shots. Pretty damn impressive to me. It does great at the range too.

And, it depends on the race. If I race around my home ground a civic would beat hell out of an Indy racer. I bet the Indy car would high center within minutes of trying to follow the civic.