Human Food Contaminated - The Firearms Forum

Rommelvon · 05-04-2007, 11:08 PM

Found this story interesting, there is no telling how much poison we have consumed, hell just last week here I heard that lettuce was found to have rocket fuel in it (I was wondering why every time I cut one I lifted 3 feet off the ground)

...but now on to the serious story---Rommelvon

Who knows what kind of **** is adulterating our imported and domestic food supply? But whatever it is, it's about to hit the fan.

Months after dogs and cats started dropping dead of renal failure from melamine-tainted pet food, American consumers are beginning to learn how long and how WIDELY this contaminant has also poisoned the human food supply.

Last week, as California officials revealed that at least 45 people are known to have eaten tainted pork, the USDA announced that it would pay farmers millions of dollars to destroy and dispose of thousands of hogs fed "salvaged" pet food.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Through the salvaging practice, melamine-tainted pet food has likely contaminated America's livestock for as long as it has been killing and sickening America's pets - as far back as August of 2006, or even earlier. And while it may seem alarmist to suggest without absolute proof that Americans have been eating melamine-tainted pork, chicken and farm-raised fish for the better part of a year, the FDA and USDA seem to be preparing to brace Americans for the worst.

In an unusual, Saturday afternoon joint press release, the regulators tasked with protecting the safety of our nation's food supply go to convoluted lengths to reassure the public that eating melamine-tainted pork is perfectly SAFE!

In a fit of reverse-homeopathy, the press release steps us through the dilution process, tracing the path of melamine-tainted rice protein through the food system. The rice protein is a partial ingredient in pet food, we are told, which is itself only a partial ingredient in the feed given to hogs, who then "excrete" some of the melamine in their urine. And, "even if present in pork," they reassure us, "pork is only a small part of the average American diet."

How comforting.

But the press release reaches its Orwellian best in its insistence that there is no evidence of any "human illness" due to melamine exposure:

"While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention systems would have limited ability to detect subtle problems due to melamine and melamine-related compounds, no problems have been detected to date."

Translation: "We are unable to detect such problems, but don't worry, no such problems have been detected."

It is hard to read this as anything but a pre-emptive press release, a calculated effort to reassure the public that it is safe to eat trace quantities of melamine. just days before they inevitably reveal that Americans have in fact been consuming it unawares for months.

Menu Foods, the company at the center of the controversy, has recalled product dating back to November 8, 2006. Manufacturing forty to fifty percent of America's wet pet food, the salvaged product from their massive operations must have surely contaminated livestock feed nationwide.

And it gets worse. Tomorrow the New York Times will report from China, detailing how nitrogen-rich melamine scrap, produced from coal, is routinely ground into powder and mixed into low-grade wheat, corn, soybean or other proteins to inflate the protein analysis of animal feed:

The melamine powder has been dubbed "fake protein" and is used to deceive those who raise animals into thinking they are buying feed that provides higher nutrition value.

"It just saves money," says a manager at an animal feed factory here. "Melamine scrap is added to animal feed to boost the protein level."

The practice is widespread in China. For years, animal feed sellers have been able to cheat buyers by blending the powder into feed with little regulatory supervision, according to interviews with melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here.

Many animal feed operators advertise on the Internet seeking to purchase melamine scrap. And melamine scrap producers and traders said in recent interviews that they often sell to animal feed makers.

"Many companies buy melamine scrap to make animal feed, such as fish feed," says Ji Denghui, general manager of the Fujian Sanming Dinghui Chemical Company. "I don't know if there's a regulation on it. Probably not. No law or regulation says 'don't do it,' so everyone's doing it. The laws in China are like that, aren't they? If there's no accident, there won't be any regulation."

"The practice is widespread in China," the Times reports, and has been going on "for years." And it is not just wheat, corn, rice and soybean proteins that should be suspect, but the animals who feed on it, including all imported Chinese pork, poultry, farm-raised fish, and their various by-products. Despite FDA and USDA efforts to allay concerns about consuming melamine-tainted meat, the health effects are unstudied, and the permissible level is zero. If China could impose a three-year (and counting) ban on the import of U.S. beef after a single incident of Mad Cow disease, then surely the U.S. would be justified in imposing a ban on Chinese vegetable protein and livestock products due to such a prevalent, industrywide contamination.

And if in the coming weeks this ban is finally imposed, the question we must ask government regulators is. why so late? Why did they wait until our children licked the last remaining drop of bacon fat off their fingers before alerting the public to the potential health risk, however low? It seems inconceivable that the regulators tasked with overseeing the safety and purity of our nation's food supply did not at least imagine the potential scope of this crisis back in early March when they first learned that Chinese wheat gluten was poisoning dogs and cats. Indeed, the very fact that they were so quick to focus in on melamine as the adulterating agent suggests they at least suspected what they were facing.

It may make for entertaining TV, but popular shows like CSI get forensic toxicology exactly backwards. You don't run a substance through a mass spectrometer and 30 seconds later get a complete readout of its chemical makeup. Rather, you painstakingly look for specific chemicals or groups of chemicals one at a time, until you find the offending toxin. Once you get beyond the basic "tox screen," forensics is as much art as science - investigators use evidence and intuition to narrow the search to those compounds that are most likely to be the culprit.

And so it begs the question as to why - in the face of an apparent wheat gluten contamination that reportedly killed nine out of twenty dogs and cats in Menu Foods' quarterly taste test - would FDA scientists test for melamine, a chemical widely believed to be nontoxic?

Why? Because they thought they might find it.

Lacking adequate cooperation from FDA officials one is constantly forced to speculate, but given the circumstances it is reasonable to assume that the search for melamine was prompted by the "nitrogen spiking" theory, rather than the other way around. Based on their knowledge of the evidence, Chinese agricultural practices, the globalizing food industry, and perhaps prior history, the FDA hypothesized that unscrupulous Chinese manufacturers may have intentionally adulterated low quality wheat gluten in an effort to pass it off as a high-protein, high-value product. And nothing would do the job better than melamine.

According to one synthetic organic chemist, melamine is by far the perfect candidate. It is high in nitrogen (66-percent by weight), nonvolatile (ie, it doesn't explode,) and dirt cheap. It is also - at least according to both the scientific literature and chemical supply catalogs - widely considered to be nontoxic. For FDA officials, the mystery never seemed to be how melamine made its way into wheat, rice and corn protein, but rather, why it was suddenly killing dogs and cats.

The technical answer may center on the unexpected interaction between melamine, cyanuric acid, and other melamine by-products, but the practical answer may be much more pedestrian. Some samples of adulterated wheat gluten reportedly tested as high as 6.6-percent melamine by weight, an off the chart concentration that was likely the accidental result of some less than thorough mixing. Had this accident never occurred - had cats, with their sensitive renal systems, not been the canary in the coal mine of melamine toxicity - we might never have known that our children and our pets were being slowly poisoned by Chinese capitalism.

Well, despite the FDA's best efforts, now we know.

UPDATE: The NY Times piece is now online.

charagrin · 05-05-2007, 07:40 AM

This proves my piont, no matter what you eat, your screwed.

glocknut · 05-05-2007, 02:24 PM

I think some of that rocket fuel made its way into canned pork and beans...?

mike
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300 H&H · 05-05-2007, 09:40 PM

As a farmer who specializes in food grade grain production, I am sure the genreal public would be outraged by how huge companies are not being watched by the Gov. Why? because the heads of the regulatory agencies are now former employies of the companies that are to be regulated. In the good old days A new administration who pick the heads of these agencies from within them. Now with large capain donations, and political favors, the "ruling" adminisration gets to pick the person and send them to Washington to regulate them. Is it in the pulics best interest? Do they really care? Have you ever asked your selves why we don' have labling of genetically modified(and untested by a third independant party) when the rest of the free world does? Monsanto knows that you would not buy them , so we don't lable them. G.M. technolgy is not even theirs, It was devloped by our tax funded land grat universities. But with enough money and politics just about anything can happen. Remember how for 40+ years we thought margerine was better for us than butter? Then we discovered trans fats. How smart are we? Our nations food supply is literallly controlled by a handfull of people who have only one two things in mind, long shelf life(preservatives)and profits. These come first. Food safty is barely on their radar screen. This comes from years of observation, and it is true

Marlin T · 05-05-2007, 11:11 PM

WOW, I'm dumbfounded.

No wonder China wouldn't let our inspectors into there country!
300, I don't know what to say about what you said, except

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Lead Lobber · 05-06-2007, 03:04 AM

What's really scarey is that food contamination is not really new. Used as an assination tool throughout history, poisening food supplies may be the preferred weapon of terrorists for killing us westerners. But why would China want to poisen us when we owe them so much money?

Given the terrorist cells already exposed in this country (yes, the USA), it should not surprise us to find **** in our food supplies. They (muslims) swear our death. What better way then to sneak into our farm lands and train terrorists, as is happening right now in Virginia and Colorado. Yes girls, you are being raped, and you senators and congressmen do nothing to kill terrorists right here on HOME GROUND!

Those ******* fools can't see **** on their shoes, much less avoid stepping in same.

Time for a new regiemememmemm

05-04-2007, 11:08 PM	#1
Rommelvon Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 1,452	Human Food Contaminated Found this story interesting, there is no telling how much poison we have consumed, hell just last week here I heard that lettuce was found to have rocket fuel in it (I was wondering why every time I cut one I lifted 3 feet off the ground) ...but now on to the serious story---Rommelvon Who knows what kind of **** is adulterating our imported and domestic food supply? But whatever it is, it's about to hit the fan. Months after dogs and cats started dropping dead of renal failure from melamine-tainted pet food, American consumers are beginning to learn how long and how WIDELY this contaminant has also poisoned the human food supply. Last week, as California officials revealed that at least 45 people are known to have eaten tainted pork, the USDA announced that it would pay farmers millions of dollars to destroy and dispose of thousands of hogs fed "salvaged" pet food. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. Through the salvaging practice, melamine-tainted pet food has likely contaminated America's livestock for as long as it has been killing and sickening America's pets - as far back as August of 2006, or even earlier. And while it may seem alarmist to suggest without absolute proof that Americans have been eating melamine-tainted pork, chicken and farm-raised fish for the better part of a year, the FDA and USDA seem to be preparing to brace Americans for the worst. In an unusual, Saturday afternoon joint press release, the regulators tasked with protecting the safety of our nation's food supply go to convoluted lengths to reassure the public that eating melamine-tainted pork is perfectly SAFE! In a fit of reverse-homeopathy, the press release steps us through the dilution process, tracing the path of melamine-tainted rice protein through the food system. The rice protein is a partial ingredient in pet food, we are told, which is itself only a partial ingredient in the feed given to hogs, who then "excrete" some of the melamine in their urine. And, "even if present in pork," they reassure us, "pork is only a small part of the average American diet." How comforting. But the press release reaches its Orwellian best in its insistence that there is no evidence of any "human illness" due to melamine exposure: "While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention systems would have limited ability to detect subtle problems due to melamine and melamine-related compounds, no problems have been detected to date." Translation: "We are unable to detect such problems, but don't worry, no such problems have been detected." It is hard to read this as anything but a pre-emptive press release, a calculated effort to reassure the public that it is safe to eat trace quantities of melamine. just days before they inevitably reveal that Americans have in fact been consuming it unawares for months. Menu Foods, the company at the center of the controversy, has recalled product dating back to November 8, 2006. Manufacturing forty to fifty percent of America's wet pet food, the salvaged product from their massive operations must have surely contaminated livestock feed nationwide. And it gets worse. Tomorrow the New York Times will report from China, detailing how nitrogen-rich melamine scrap, produced from coal, is routinely ground into powder and mixed into low-grade wheat, corn, soybean or other proteins to inflate the protein analysis of animal feed: The melamine powder has been dubbed "fake protein" and is used to deceive those who raise animals into thinking they are buying feed that provides higher nutrition value. "It just saves money," says a manager at an animal feed factory here. "Melamine scrap is added to animal feed to boost the protein level." The practice is widespread in China. For years, animal feed sellers have been able to cheat buyers by blending the powder into feed with little regulatory supervision, according to interviews with melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here. Many animal feed operators advertise on the Internet seeking to purchase melamine scrap. And melamine scrap producers and traders said in recent interviews that they often sell to animal feed makers. "Many companies buy melamine scrap to make animal feed, such as fish feed," says Ji Denghui, general manager of the Fujian Sanming Dinghui Chemical Company. "I don't know if there's a regulation on it. Probably not. No law or regulation says 'don't do it,' so everyone's doing it. The laws in China are like that, aren't they? If there's no accident, there won't be any regulation." "The practice is widespread in China," the Times reports, and has been going on "for years." And it is not just wheat, corn, rice and soybean proteins that should be suspect, but the animals who feed on it, including all imported Chinese pork, poultry, farm-raised fish, and their various by-products. Despite FDA and USDA efforts to allay concerns about consuming melamine-tainted meat, the health effects are unstudied, and the permissible level is zero. If China could impose a three-year (and counting) ban on the import of U.S. beef after a single incident of Mad Cow disease, then surely the U.S. would be justified in imposing a ban on Chinese vegetable protein and livestock products due to such a prevalent, industrywide contamination. And if in the coming weeks this ban is finally imposed, the question we must ask government regulators is. why so late? Why did they wait until our children licked the last remaining drop of bacon fat off their fingers before alerting the public to the potential health risk, however low? It seems inconceivable that the regulators tasked with overseeing the safety and purity of our nation's food supply did not at least imagine the potential scope of this crisis back in early March when they first learned that Chinese wheat gluten was poisoning dogs and cats. Indeed, the very fact that they were so quick to focus in on melamine as the adulterating agent suggests they at least suspected what they were facing. It may make for entertaining TV, but popular shows like CSI get forensic toxicology exactly backwards. You don't run a substance through a mass spectrometer and 30 seconds later get a complete readout of its chemical makeup. Rather, you painstakingly look for specific chemicals or groups of chemicals one at a time, until you find the offending toxin. Once you get beyond the basic "tox screen," forensics is as much art as science - investigators use evidence and intuition to narrow the search to those compounds that are most likely to be the culprit. And so it begs the question as to why - in the face of an apparent wheat gluten contamination that reportedly killed nine out of twenty dogs and cats in Menu Foods' quarterly taste test - would FDA scientists test for melamine, a chemical widely believed to be nontoxic? Why? Because they thought they might find it. Lacking adequate cooperation from FDA officials one is constantly forced to speculate, but given the circumstances it is reasonable to assume that the search for melamine was prompted by the "nitrogen spiking" theory, rather than the other way around. Based on their knowledge of the evidence, Chinese agricultural practices, the globalizing food industry, and perhaps prior history, the FDA hypothesized that unscrupulous Chinese manufacturers may have intentionally adulterated low quality wheat gluten in an effort to pass it off as a high-protein, high-value product. And nothing would do the job better than melamine. According to one synthetic organic chemist, melamine is by far the perfect candidate. It is high in nitrogen (66-percent by weight), nonvolatile (ie, it doesn't explode,) and dirt cheap. It is also - at least according to both the scientific literature and chemical supply catalogs - widely considered to be nontoxic. For FDA officials, the mystery never seemed to be how melamine made its way into wheat, rice and corn protein, but rather, why it was suddenly killing dogs and cats. The technical answer may center on the unexpected interaction between melamine, cyanuric acid, and other melamine by-products, but the practical answer may be much more pedestrian. Some samples of adulterated wheat gluten reportedly tested as high as 6.6-percent melamine by weight, an off the chart concentration that was likely the accidental result of some less than thorough mixing. Had this accident never occurred - had cats, with their sensitive renal systems, not been the canary in the coal mine of melamine toxicity - we might never have known that our children and our pets were being slowly poisoned by Chinese capitalism. Well, despite the FDA's best efforts, now we know. UPDATE: The NY Times piece is now online. __________________ When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson American By Birth, Southern By The Grace Of God Deo vindice "Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less.” Robert E Lee -->

05-05-2007, 07:40 AM	#2
charagrin Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 451	Re: Human Food Contaminated This proves my piont, no matter what you eat, your screwed.

05-05-2007, 02:24 PM	#3
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Human Food Contaminated I think some of that rocket fuel made its way into canned pork and beans...? mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

05-05-2007, 09:40 PM	#4
300 H&H Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,796	Re: Human Food Contaminated As a farmer who specializes in food grade grain production, I am sure the genreal public would be outraged by how huge companies are not being watched by the Gov. Why? because the heads of the regulatory agencies are now former employies of the companies that are to be regulated. In the good old days A new administration who pick the heads of these agencies from within them. Now with large capain donations, and political favors, the "ruling" adminisration gets to pick the person and send them to Washington to regulate them. Is it in the pulics best interest? Do they really care? Have you ever asked your selves why we don' have labling of genetically modified(and untested by a third independant party) when the rest of the free world does? Monsanto knows that you would not buy them , so we don't lable them. G.M. technolgy is not even theirs, It was devloped by our tax funded land grat universities. But with enough money and politics just about anything can happen. Remember how for 40+ years we thought margerine was better for us than butter? Then we discovered trans fats. How smart are we? Our nations food supply is literallly controlled by a handfull of people who have only one two things in mind, long shelf life(preservatives)and profits. These come first. Food safty is barely on their radar screen. This comes from years of observation, and it is true

05-05-2007, 11:11 PM	#5
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Human Food Contaminated WOW, I'm dumbfounded. No wonder China wouldn't let our inspectors into there country! 300, I don't know what to say about what you said, except ... __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

05-06-2007, 03:04 AM	#6
Lead Lobber Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Central California coastal area Posts: 965	Re: Human Food Contaminated What's really scarey is that food contamination is not really new. Used as an assination tool throughout history, poisening food supplies may be the preferred weapon of terrorists for killing us westerners. But why would China want to poisen us when we owe them so much money? Given the terrorist cells already exposed in this country (yes, the USA), it should not surprise us to find ** in our food supplies. They (muslims) swear our death. What better way then to sneak into our farm lands and train terrorists, as is happening right now in Virginia and Colorado. Yes girls, you are being raped, and you senators and congressmen do nothing to kill terrorists right here on HOME GROUND! Those *** fools can't see ** on their shoes, much less avoid stepping in same. Time for a new regiemememmemm