IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION - The Firearms Forum

MRMIKE08075 · 06-05-2007, 03:42 PM

before you GOOGLE the answer...

i was reading a historical treastie about the political conditions over the 10 years before the US civil war, and during the civil war...

written by 2 authors who give there views on the same topic of discussion...

one passage contained the statement "other than the issue of slavery there are only 2 fundamental differances between the Constitution of the USA and the Constitution of the CSA"

being a well read and well educated individual i was surprised to realize i had never read or seen the CSA constitution...

impossible, right???

i own copies of and have studied almost every significant historical document ever published...

MIEN KAMPF
MAO`s LITTLE READ BOOK
THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION
THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE
LENIN, MARX, TROTSKY, MACHIEAVELLI, SUN TZU, MARCUS AURILIAS, CHE QUEVERRA, MARTIN LUTHER, ETC...

but i do not own a copy of the CSA constitition...

i own the HARVARD CLASSICS but its not in there...

i do not think i have ever seen or been exposed to it, at any time in my life.

impossible, right???

i like to think that i have read more than 99.5% of the population of North America, and very well read...

how did this happen???

i own at least 30 books that deal with the history of the Civil War...

no luck.

without GOOGLEing it, can any of you honestly say you have read this important historical document, or own a copy of it???

i find this rather disturbing.

best regards, mike.

Sackett · 06-05-2007, 05:16 PM

No, I sure haven't. The only thing I've read is Mississippi's notification of secession from the Union. Due to the issue of slavery of course.

polishshooter · 06-05-2007, 08:55 PM

Actually, Mike, even taking several courses from the History Dept. Chairman at my college, who was published several times in/on the Civil War, I can't honestly say it was even DISCUSSED in class, or any textbooks, at least that I can remember....heck, I still have my notebooks out in the garage, I may go and dig them out....

pickenup · 06-05-2007, 09:35 PM

I admit, I have not.

berto64 · 06-05-2007, 10:30 PM

Nope.

allmons · 06-06-2007, 07:04 AM

Strangely enough, neither have I!

MRMIKE08075 · 06-06-2007, 12:03 PM

is this an accident of history, or a deliberate act???

i would consider this document to be a very important part of american history...

with all the debate over the causes of the civil war, and the fundemental differances wich lead to the secession...

would this not be a 1st tier document for study and debate among historians and in our school system???

i find it hard to believe that not one of us owns, or has read the CSA CONSTITUTION...

frankly its a bit disturbing.

can you say "conspiricy"???

how did this happen, and why did i only just now consider the issue???

your input and opinions on this subject are welcome.

best regards, mike.

191145A1 · 08-11-2007, 03:30 PM

Well, I live in Richmond so let me see if I can find it. I would imagine it would be present in several places around town, but you're right, I've never seen it in a book.

Pistolenschutze · 08-11-2007, 05:11 PM

The Confederate Constitution was almost a word-for-word duplicate of the U.S. Constitution. The beef the Confederates had was not primarily with the document itself, or even the basic system of government it describes, but with the increasingly Federalist interpretation of that document, a problem that still faces us today in my humble opinion. The differences that did exist--with the exception of an explicit allowance for slavery--were largely directed at limiting the power of the central government.

The president is limited to one six-year term in office.
The president has a line-item veto.
States are explicitly given more recourse in dealing with federal laws or officers they feel are unfair.
Explicit support for slavery.
All Federal laws and bills were limited to only one subject - riders were illegal - and the subject of the laws and bills had to be clearly stated in their titles.

06-05-2007, 03:42 PM	#1
MRMIKE08075 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 384	IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION before you GOOGLE the answer... i was reading a historical treastie about the political conditions over the 10 years before the US civil war, and during the civil war... written by 2 authors who give there views on the same topic of discussion... one passage contained the statement "other than the issue of slavery there are only 2 fundamental differances between the Constitution of the USA and the Constitution of the CSA" being a well read and well educated individual i was surprised to realize i had never read or seen the CSA constitution... impossible, right??? i own copies of and have studied almost every significant historical document ever published... MIEN KAMPF MAO`s LITTLE READ BOOK THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE LENIN, MARX, TROTSKY, MACHIEAVELLI, SUN TZU, MARCUS AURILIAS, CHE QUEVERRA, MARTIN LUTHER, ETC... but i do not own a copy of the CSA constitition... i own the HARVARD CLASSICS but its not in there... i do not think i have ever seen or been exposed to it, at any time in my life. impossible, right??? i like to think that i have read more than 99.5% of the population of North America, and very well read... how did this happen??? i own at least 30 books that deal with the history of the Civil War... no luck. without GOOGLEing it, can any of you honestly say you have read this important historical document, or own a copy of it??? i find this rather disturbing. best regards, mike. -->

06-05-2007, 05:16 PM	#2
Sackett V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SW Mississippi Posts: 266	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION No, I sure haven't. The only thing I've read is Mississippi's notification of secession from the Union. Due to the issue of slavery of course. __________________ "I'm not someone to be as good as. I'm someone to be better than."

06-05-2007, 08:55 PM	#3
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,863	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION Actually, Mike, even taking several courses from the History Dept. Chairman at my college, who was published several times in/on the Civil War, I can't honestly say it was even DISCUSSED in class, or any textbooks, at least that I can remember....heck, I still have my notebooks out in the garage, I may go and dig them out.... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Last edited by polishshooter; 06-05-2007 at 09:53 PM..

06-05-2007, 09:35 PM	#4
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,838	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION I admit, I have not. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

06-05-2007, 10:30 PM	#5
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION Nope. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

06-06-2007, 07:04 AM	#6
allmons Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 43	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION Strangely enough, neither have I!

06-06-2007, 12:03 PM	#7
MRMIKE08075 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 384	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION is this an accident of history, or a deliberate act??? i would consider this document to be a very important part of american history... with all the debate over the causes of the civil war, and the fundemental differances wich lead to the secession... would this not be a 1st tier document for study and debate among historians and in our school system??? i find it hard to believe that not one of us owns, or has read the CSA CONSTITUTION... frankly its a bit disturbing. can you say "conspiricy"??? how did this happen, and why did i only just now consider the issue??? your input and opinions on this subject are welcome. best regards, mike. Last edited by MRMIKE08075; 06-06-2007 at 12:05 PM..

08-11-2007, 03:30 PM	#8
191145A1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 20	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION Well, I live in Richmond so let me see if I can find it. I would imagine it would be present in several places around town, but you're right, I've never seen it in a book.

08-11-2007, 05:11 PM	#9
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT QUESTION The Confederate Constitution was almost a word-for-word duplicate of the U.S. Constitution. The beef the Confederates had was not primarily with the document itself, or even the basic system of government it describes, but with the increasingly Federalist interpretation of that document, a problem that still faces us today in my humble opinion. The differences that did exist--with the exception of an explicit allowance for slavery--were largely directed at limiting the power of the central government. The president is limited to one six-year term in office. The president has a line-item veto. States are explicitly given more recourse in dealing with federal laws or officers they feel are unfair. Explicit support for slavery. All Federal laws and bills were limited to only one subject - riders were illegal - and the subject of the laws and bills had to be clearly stated in their titles. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)