Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... - The Firearms Forum

polishshooter · 11-11-2006, 09:48 PM

Clausewitz twice used "ceteris paribus" in about a page and a half in the last chapter....

So at the risk that my "military genius" (I'm in that chapter, as you could guess

)will somehow be compromised

what does it mean?

It's NICE to have my own personal Latin tutor actually...where were you when I was taking all those "Pre-Law" courses????

And you are right, "High German" translated into "High English" by some Brit Historian takes some time to read AND comprehend...And I thought Thomas Aquinas was rough!

I'll probably be at this one book as long as it took me to read all 15 volumes of Morison....

firebird · 11-11-2006, 09:56 PM

I'm not PS, but it means "all other things being equal"

Pistolenschutze · 11-11-2006, 10:43 PM

Polish, the Rare Bird beat me to it. She is quite correct, "ceteris paribus" translates best as "all other (things) being equal." Ceterus means, literally, the other or the rest. Paribus is the word "par" meaning equal or like, but here it is in the ablative case so it translates best into English as "being equal/"

firebird · 11-11-2006, 11:15 PM

Sorry...

polishshooter · 11-12-2006, 06:15 AM

Hey, you two can talk in Latin and none of us would know what you are saying about us!

Thanks 'bird, and PS....actually, you can tell which one is the PROFESSOR, Firebird gave me all I WANTED to know, while PS gave me a lot more that I didn't NEED to know....

Now I just need somebody fluent in Frog, in the next chapter he starts flinging it as well....

coup d'oeil?

Isn't that what I do every 5000 miles at Jiffy Lube?

Xracer · 11-12-2006, 08:25 AM

An old mantra from my high school Latin I class.....

"Latin is a language, as dead as dead can be....
First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me!"*

*with great apologies to dear, departed Miss Frye, who gave me a large benefit of the doubt and (just barely) passed me.

JohnK3 · 11-12-2006, 09:20 AM

Coup d'oeil means "glance" in English.

firebird · 11-12-2006, 09:27 AM

Quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur ...lol

Pistolenschutze · 11-12-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by firebird

Quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur ...lol

A very true statement, firebird. Anything in Latin does indeed sound very profound.

You surprise me. Altissima quaeque flumina minimo sono labi , as the Romans might have said.

firebird · 11-12-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

You surprise me. Altissima quaeque flumina minimo sono labi , as the Romans might have said.

The deepest rivers flow with the least sound

Pistolenschutze · 11-12-2006, 12:31 PM

Er, a, firebird, do be careful, Credidi me felem vidisse!

firebird · 11-12-2006, 12:46 PM

LOL! Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?

JohnK3 · 11-12-2006, 01:43 PM

Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit. -- Seneca

firebird · 11-12-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnK3

Nullum magnum ingenium mixtura dementiae fuit. -- Seneca

You mean Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit ?

So true, so true...

Pistolenschutze · 11-12-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by firebird

LOL! Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?

Ita, sed cutis potior est. Fatigo! Fatigo!

firebird · 11-12-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Ita, sed cutis potior est. Fatigo! Fatigo!

LOL! Tum podem extulit horridulum!

Pistolenschutze · 11-12-2006, 04:51 PM

Polishshooter Latinum discere requirit, cogito.

firebird · 11-12-2006, 05:01 PM

polishshooter · 11-12-2006, 08:37 PM

Good Gosh, I created a MONSTER....

All I can say is....

You DO and YOU clean it UP....

Ergo Sum! Et tu Brute! E Pluribus Unum.

Et cetera.

I'm sorry I ASKED!

firebird · 11-12-2006, 08:42 PM

ROFLMAO!!!

Mea culpa

Pat Hurley · 11-12-2006, 09:06 PM

Me thinketh I shall now throw upeth.

Pat Hurley

southernshooter · 11-12-2006, 09:18 PM

I would rather read latin than spanish

Pistolenschutze · 11-12-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by firebird

ROFLMAO!!!

Mea culpa

Extra culpam esse, nullus fructus significat.

JohnK3 · 11-12-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by firebird

You mean Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit ?

So true, so true...

Oops! You are correct, dear lady! I have corrected my quote.

polishshooter · 11-12-2006, 10:48 PM

Hey, I can READ Spanish, sorta, but Latin is still GREEK to me...

I was lucky, I became an altar boy AFTER Vatican II, I can barely remember the "Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maximus Culpa" and the beating of the breast stuff....

Although our current priest used to teach at the Latin School in Indy, so for Lent we always pull out all the classic Gregorian Chants and responses in Latin, which is kind of neat....

Plus of course I DID sing the Magnificat in my Senior Choir days in High School!

Does that count?

11-11-2006, 09:48 PM	#1
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,879	Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Clausewitz twice used "ceteris paribus" in about a page and a half in the last chapter.... So at the risk that my "military genius" (I'm in that chapter, as you could guess )will somehow be compromised what does it mean? It's NICE to have my own personal Latin tutor actually...where were you when I was taking all those "Pre-Law" courses???? And you are right, "High German" translated into "High English" by some Brit Historian takes some time to read AND comprehend...And I thought Thomas Aquinas was rough! I'll probably be at this one book as long as it took me to read all 15 volumes of Morison.... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. -->

11-11-2006, 09:56 PM	#2
firebird Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the recesses of my little mind... Posts: 1,233	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... I'm not PS, but it means "all other things being equal" __________________ ***************************** “Let them call me a rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.” ~Thomas Paine "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." ~Confucius Alis volat propiis ~ She flies with her own wings Rara avis

11-11-2006, 10:43 PM	#3
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Polish, the Rare Bird beat me to it. She is quite correct, "ceteris paribus" translates best as "all other (things) being equal." Ceterus means, literally, the other or the rest. Paribus is the word "par" meaning equal or like, but here it is in the ablative case so it translates best into English as "being equal/" __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

11-11-2006, 11:15 PM	#4
firebird Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the recesses of my little mind... Posts: 1,233	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Sorry... __________________ ***************************** “Let them call me a rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.” ~Thomas Paine "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." ~Confucius Alis volat propiis ~ She flies with her own wings Rara avis

11-12-2006, 06:15 AM	#5
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,879	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Hey, you two can talk in Latin and none of us would know what you are saying about us! Thanks 'bird, and PS....actually, you can tell which one is the PROFESSOR, Firebird gave me all I WANTED to know, while PS gave me a lot more that I didn't NEED to know.... Now I just need somebody fluent in Frog, in the next chapter he starts flinging it as well.... coup d'oeil? Isn't that what I do every 5000 miles at Jiffy Lube? __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

11-12-2006, 08:25 AM	#6
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... An old mantra from my high school Latin I class..... "Latin is a language, as dead as dead can be.... First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me!"* with great apologies to dear, departed Miss Frye, who gave me a large* benefit of the doubt and (just barely) passed me.

11-12-2006, 09:20 AM	#7
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Coup d'oeil means "glance" in English.

11-12-2006, 09:27 AM	#8
firebird Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the recesses of my little mind... Posts: 1,233	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur ...lol __________________ ***************************** “Let them call me a rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.” ~Thomas Paine "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." ~Confucius Alis volat propiis ~ She flies with her own wings Rara avis

11-12-2006, 12:31 PM	#11
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Er, a, firebird, do be careful, Credidi me felem vidisse! __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

11-12-2006, 12:46 PM	#12
firebird Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the recesses of my little mind... Posts: 1,233	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... LOL! Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre? __________________ ***************************** “Let them call me a rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.” ~Thomas Paine "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." ~Confucius Alis volat propiis ~ She flies with her own wings Rara avis

11-12-2006, 01:43 PM	#13
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit. -- Seneca Last edited by JohnK3; 11-12-2006 at 10:15 PM.. Reason: Correct the typo.

11-12-2006, 04:51 PM	#17
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Polishshooter Latinum discere requirit, cogito. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

11-12-2006, 05:01 PM	#18
firebird Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the recesses of my little mind... Posts: 1,233	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... __________________ ***************************** “Let them call me a rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.” ~Thomas Paine "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." ~Confucius Alis volat propiis ~ She flies with her own wings Rara avis

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polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,879	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Good Gosh, I created a MONSTER.... All I can say is.... You DO and YOU clean it UP.... Ergo Sum! Et tu Brute! E Pluribus Unum. Et cetera. I'm sorry I ASKED! __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

11-12-2006, 08:42 PM	#20
firebird Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the recesses of my little mind... Posts: 1,233	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... ROFLMAO!!! Mea culpa __________________ ***************************** “Let them call me a rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.” ~Thomas Paine "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." ~Confucius Alis volat propiis ~ She flies with her own wings Rara avis

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Pat Hurley Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 987	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Me thinketh I shall now throw upeth. Pat Hurley

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11-12-2006, 10:48 PM	#25
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,879	Re: Hey PS! Need some help with the Dead Language... Hey, I can READ Spanish, sorta, but Latin is still GREEK to me... I was lucky, I became an altar boy AFTER Vatican II, I can barely remember the "Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maximus Culpa" and the beating of the breast stuff.... Although our current priest used to teach at the Latin School in Indy, so for Lent we always pull out all the classic Gregorian Chants and responses in Latin, which is kind of neat.... Plus of course I DID sing the Magnificat in my Senior Choir days in High School! Does that count? __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Last edited by polishshooter; 11-13-2006 at 07:24 AM..