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|09-25-2007, 08:33 PM||#1|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Iver johnson american bulldog 32s&w year make
Could anyone tell me when they made the iver johnson american bulldog in 32 s&w long? It has an inscription on top of the barrel "american bull dog" and has a long 5shot cilinder. Was this blackpowder only and would it be possible to shoot 32 s&w short since it was made for 32&w long wich has a lot more ME?
|09-26-2007, 01:09 PM||#2|
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: houston, tx
Re: Iver johnson american bulldog 32s&w year make
the 32 S&W long was introduced in 1898 and the american bull dog revolvers were manufactured between 1883 and 1899. none of them were chambered with the 32 S&W Long cartridge in mind. the early alternate to the 32 S&W was the 32 M&H (also known as the 32 H&R). it had a case length longer than the 32 S&W but shorter than the later 32 S&W Long. the 32 M&H (merwin & hulbert) was loaded by most ammo companies until the WWI era although most revolver companies had switched to the 32 S&W Long before that. the only company to the best on my knowledge who did not switch was hopkins & allen (the manufacturer of M&H revolvers). H&R switch in 1905 when they lengthen the cylinders of their 6 shot (large frame) 32 caliber revolvers. the longer cylinder was needed on the american bull dog because it would chamber the 32 M&H as well as the rimfire models being chambered for the 32 rimfire Long cartridges.
when iver johnson introduced the replacement for the american bulldog, the 'model 1900 double action' the medium frame revolver in 32 caliber was still listed as 32 S&W. although the cylinders are long enough for the 32 S&W Long, that cartridge fired in the medium frame is a little to much for most people to handle. later in production (after about 1921) the model '1900 double action' and the 'u.s. revolver co. double action' were chambered in 32 S&W Long, but it was in the large frame 6 shot versions only.
so the answer to your question is all american bull dog revolvers were chambered for black powder cartridge pressures only and none were chambered for the 32 S&W Long. WARNING do not fire any american bull dog revolvers with any modern smokeless ammo.
because of the lack of variations and the many different serial number series used (almost one per year) the age of any american bull dog revolver can only be given as the era of manufacture.
first model 1883-1886 name marked on top strap
second model 1887-1889 name marked on top of barrel
since yours has the name on the top of the barrel it is a second model.
the american bulldog revolver were only manufactured by one company but it went through several name changes.
1871-1883 johnson & bye gunsmiths
1883-1894 iver johnson's arms co.
1894-1978 iver johnson's arms & cycle works
this company was owned and controlled by the iver johnson family for over 100 years. no other gun manufacturer can claim this, as most under went several different owners using the same name. the last family member to control iver johnson's arms & cycle works was iver johnson (the man) grandson Luther M. Otto III (son of iver johnson's daughter mary louise). he passed away about 1975 and the company was sold to outside interests.
Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works 1871-1993
H&R Arms Company 1871-1986 (due spring 2010)
available from www.gunshowbooks.com
Last edited by b.goforth; 09-26-2007 at 01:16 PM..