Grad student suspended after pro-gun-rights e-mail - The Firearms Forum

satellite66 · 10-11-2007, 02:48 PM

Isn't it wonderful how our institutions of higher learning are so open minded and accepting of differing views?

Read the story

lohki13 · 10-11-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by satellite66

Isn't it wonderful how our institutions of higher learning are so open minded and accepting of differing views?

Read the story

I would be finding a new college. One of the reason i like going threw the mail no liberal hippy teachers.

polishshooter · 10-11-2007, 03:25 PM

Quote:" A professor at Brooklyn College who believes the suspension was unjustified said he was nevertheless "dismayed that (Scheffler) has progressed to the master's degree level without having mastered some aspects of basic grammar." "

What did he really EXPECT?

It's not like many of our "Institutions of Higher Learning" TEACH it any more, since they spend so MUCH time on "Diversity Training" and "Minority Studies" requirements....

Pistolenschutze · 10-11-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by polishshooter

It's not like many of our "Institutions of Higher Learning" TEACH it any more, since they spend so MUCH time on "Diversity Training" and "Minority Studies" requirements....

I wish I could disagree with you on that observation, Polish, but to a very large degree at least, I cannot, especially as it pertains to some of the so-called "prestigious" schools of this nation. There are still some instructors out there, myself among them, who believe that the "old" values are still worthy of instruction, and who simply ignore all the utter BS that the vast majority of our textbooks and curriculums promulgate. As you know, I teach history, and the textbooks I'm saddled with these days devote far too many of their pages to "the contributions of minorities" and left-wing politics instead of the facts of what actually happened.

BillP · 10-11-2007, 05:54 PM

In the past The United Methodist Church has been on the side of the anti. gun folks. Not the members but the national organization. It surprises me that they would take such a stance here in MN. As with so many organizations who have fallen for the faulty arguments of the anti. gun crowd, this is no doubt just a matter of the silent majority being all too silent. I don't know where the UMC stands on the issue now but it behooves all of us who are members of religious and other groups to find out where their organization stands on this important issue. If you find your organization has taken a stance in opposition to your views, speak up.

I have several friends who are teachers and associated with the NEA. To a man/woman, they decry the stance their organization has taken in relation to the second amendment. However none of them has ever done anything about it.

henry0reilly · 10-12-2007, 04:38 AM

re: grammar/spelling - this guy is positively brilliant in that department compared to 95% of the undergraduates I attended IUPUI with 2001-2006. One must assume he drafted the email and sent it without review or spell check.

I'd guess this guy has a good lawsuit against the school.

Bruce FLinch · 10-12-2007, 10:37 PM

Only in America...

glocknut · 10-13-2007, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lohki13

I would be finding a new college. One of the reason i like going threw the mail no liberal hippy teachers.

Be carefull Lohki.... no matter how much you learn thru one of those correspondance courses thru the mail or email... some potential employers will laugh at the mention of such courses when considering a job application. Its hard to beat going to classes and getting the college credits that come with it....

mike
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lohki13 · 10-13-2007, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by glocknut

Be carefull Lohki.... no matter how much you learn thru one of those correspondance courses thru the mail or email... some potential employers will laugh at the mention of such courses when considering a job application. Its hard to beat going to classes and getting the college credits that come with it....

mike
gn

Nationally accredited. Military sees it as associates degree good enough for me.Need to finish it before i join up though. After i get my associates from http://www.pennfoster.edu/ i plan on getting my Bachelors degree from http://www.amu.apus.edu/Academics/De...TCHTYPE=search And after that most likely try for my masters all in Criminal Justice. That and military experience and some brains maybe i can get into a federal agency. There are a lot of degree mills out there but i know some people who have associate degrees from PennFoster.

millwright · 10-13-2007, 02:17 PM

Pistol S:
Admire you for making the, (considerable), to offer your students 'real history' as opposed to the trash in so many recent text book editions I've seen. Told my three for years their knowledge of history will pay off in a lot of money saved and more security than a good job. With a good knowledge of history one can see trends early enough to take advantage, avoid common pitfalls, and recognize BS - whatever the source or substantiation......

I suspect America's greatest educational failing has been in the degradation in the quality of instructors and subject matter. Grade inflation plays a part in this, I know, but history is a basic tool of democracy and no workman produces a quality product without tools - or a shoddy knowledge of them. >MW

10-11-2007, 02:48 PM	#1
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Grad student suspended after pro-gun-rights e-mail Isn't it wonderful how our institutions of higher learning are so open minded and accepting of differing views? Read the story __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 --> Last edited by satellite66; 10-11-2007 at 02:51 PM..

10-11-2007, 03:25 PM	#3
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,863	Re: Grad student suspended after pro-gun-rights e-mail Quote:" A professor at Brooklyn College who believes the suspension was unjustified said he was nevertheless "dismayed that (Scheffler) has progressed to the master's degree level without having mastered some aspects of basic grammar." " What did he really EXPECT? It's not like many of our "Institutions of Higher Learning" TEACH it any more, since they spend so MUCH time on "Diversity Training" and "Minority Studies" requirements.... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

10-11-2007, 05:54 PM	#5
BillP V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: On a lake near Detroit Lakes, MN Posts: 192	United Methodist Church In the past The United Methodist Church has been on the side of the anti. gun folks. Not the members but the national organization. It surprises me that they would take such a stance here in MN. As with so many organizations who have fallen for the faulty arguments of the anti. gun crowd, this is no doubt just a matter of the silent majority being all too silent. I don't know where the UMC stands on the issue now but it behooves all of us who are members of religious and other groups to find out where their organization stands on this important issue. If you find your organization has taken a stance in opposition to your views, speak up. I have several friends who are teachers and associated with the NEA. To a man/woman, they decry the stance their organization has taken in relation to the second amendment. However none of them has ever done anything about it.

10-12-2007, 04:38 AM	#6
henry0reilly Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 553	souix them! re: grammar/spelling - this guy is positively brilliant in that department compared to 95% of the undergraduates I attended IUPUI with 2001-2006. One must assume he drafted the email and sent it without review or spell check. I'd guess this guy has a good lawsuit against the school. __________________ The only Thing necessary for Evil to Triumph is that Good Men do Nothing. Recruit someone for the NRA today!

10-12-2007, 10:37 PM	#7
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: Grad student suspended after pro-gun-rights e-mail Only in America... __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

10-13-2007, 02:17 PM	#10
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,440	Re: Grad student suspended after pro-gun-rights e-mail Pistol S: Admire you for making the, (considerable), to offer your students 'real history' as opposed to the trash in so many recent text book editions I've seen. Told my three for years their knowledge of history will pay off in a lot of money saved and more security than a good job. With a good knowledge of history one can see trends early enough to take advantage, avoid common pitfalls, and recognize BS - whatever the source or substantiation...... I suspect America's greatest educational failing has been in the degradation in the quality of instructors and subject matter. Grade inflation plays a part in this, I know, but history is a basic tool of democracy and no workman produces a quality product without tools - or a shoddy knowledge of them. >MW