Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? - The Firearms Forum

Frank2357 · 11-05-2007, 01:52 PM

I recently inherited a collection of rifles that contains a pair of .22's that I can't find any info on anywhere. Any info/assistance would be greatly appreciated.

If I should post this in different forum please let me know

#1 is a military (I think) rifle with no model number. Barrel stamping is:
G.F.Mossberg & Sons, Inc.
New Haven, Conn. U.S.A.
44 U.S. 22 L.R.
U.S. Property

#2 is a sweet little single shot. Stamping near the bolt says "Modele 1912 Brevete SGDG". Along the barrel it reads "Belgium The Improved New Century Rifle"

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

inplanotx · 11-05-2007, 02:55 PM

Your first rifle is a Mossberg model 44 U.S. as you show. It was sold by CMP a few years ago and is a fine shooting rifle.

The second rifle, I have no idea on.

IPT

williamd · 11-05-2007, 11:36 PM

From Google ...

We recently learned that "Brevete S.D.G.D" in french indicates a patent, registered without guarantee of the government. Lars Brandow emailed us also explaining that he believes the companys name is Chaigneau as it is stated at the top of the emblem in one of the pictures below. This is a french single wheel trailer built in Suresnes near Paris by Chaigneau.

So, would have guessed a wheel gun??? But, no.

Acronym Definition
SGDG Sans Garantie du Gouvernement

Seems the Gov't did not guaranteed the patent on this one!

A SWAG ... Pieper ancien établissement

It acts of the rifle 22 C model 1912 - BAYARD of Anciens établissements PIEPER Street of Bayard in Liege.

Frank2357 · 11-06-2007, 06:00 AM

Thanks for the info! The picture looks just like the Belgian rifle and someone else actually got me a link for the Mossy that has lots of info.

http://www.geocities.com/sloopitol2/1Openingpage.html

I think that they'll both go to a gunsmith (along with the rest of the pile) for a good cleaning and inspection before I try to fire anything.

Thanks again for the assistance!!!

Xracer · 11-06-2007, 09:46 AM

BTW, Frank.....welcome to TFF.

And.....hang onto that Mossy. Their prices are going UP!

Frank2357 · 11-06-2007, 03:10 PM

Thanks for the welcome, Xracer, great site here. I'll be popping around to a few of the other areas since I'm basically a newbie and the inherited "collection" includes 7 different .22's, a pair of shotguns, a pair of higher caliber rifles, and a pair of percussion guns.

As for hanging onto the Mossy, I'm under strict orders from the DW to keep all of them.

williamd · 11-07-2007, 10:05 PM

The photo I copied and attrached is a 'made in Belgium' rifle. ... "Bayard in Liege"

WILDCATT · 11-11-2007, 07:17 PM

Mossbergs were a popular target rifle for less money than a 52 win.the models were 43/44/144.they were abargaain for the price $17 in 1939.had lyman 57m an 17m front.my father had one 43B gave it to me and it was stolen.I have 4[44/144]

11-05-2007, 11:36 PM	#3
williamd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 772	Re: Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? From Google ... We recently learned that "Brevete S.D.G.D" in french indicates a patent, registered without guarantee of the government. Lars Brandow emailed us also explaining that he believes the companys name is Chaigneau as it is stated at the top of the emblem in one of the pictures below. This is a french single wheel trailer built in Suresnes near Paris by Chaigneau. So, would have guessed a wheel gun??? But, no. Acronym Definition SGDG Sans Garantie du Gouvernement Seems the Gov't did not guaranteed the patent on this one! A SWAG ... Pieper ancien établissement It acts of the rifle 22 C model 1912 - BAYARD of Anciens établissements PIEPER Street of Bayard in Liege. Attached Images __________________ "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!" But, we are moving that direction. NRA Benefactor, Vet VN '64-'65 Never sell a gun or a car and you can retire right!!

11-06-2007, 06:00 AM	#4
Frank2357 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7	Re: Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? Thanks for the info! The picture looks just like the Belgian rifle and someone else actually got me a link for the Mossy that has lots of info. http://www.geocities.com/sloopitol2/1Openingpage.html I think that they'll both go to a gunsmith (along with the rest of the pile) for a good cleaning and inspection before I try to fire anything. Thanks again for the assistance!!!

11-06-2007, 09:46 AM	#5
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? BTW, Frank.....welcome to TFF. And.....hang onto that Mossy. Their prices are going UP!

11-06-2007, 03:10 PM	#6
Frank2357 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7	Re: Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? Thanks for the welcome, Xracer, great site here. I'll be popping around to a few of the other areas since I'm basically a newbie and the inherited "collection" includes 7 different .22's, a pair of shotguns, a pair of higher caliber rifles, and a pair of percussion guns. As for hanging onto the Mossy, I'm under strict orders from the DW to keep all of them.

11-07-2007, 10:05 PM	#7
williamd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 772	Re: Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? The photo I copied and attrached is a 'made in Belgium' rifle. ... "Bayard in Liege" __________________ "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!" But, we are moving that direction. NRA Benefactor, Vet VN '64-'65 Never sell a gun or a car and you can retire right!!

11-05-2007, 01:52 PM	#1
Frank2357 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7	Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? I recently inherited a collection of rifles that contains a pair of .22's that I can't find any info on anywhere. Any info/assistance would be greatly appreciated. If I should post this in different forum please let me know #1 is a military (I think) rifle with no model number. Barrel stamping is: G.F.Mossberg & Sons, Inc. New Haven, Conn. U.S.A. 44 U.S. 22 L.R. U.S. Property #2 is a sweet little single shot. Stamping near the bolt says "Modele 1912 Brevete SGDG". Along the barrel it reads "Belgium The Improved New Century Rifle" Thanks in advance for any assistance. -->

11-05-2007, 02:55 PM	#2
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? Your first rifle is a Mossberg model 44 U.S. as you show. It was sold by CMP a few years ago and is a fine shooting rifle. The second rifle, I have no idea on. IPT __________________

11-11-2007, 07:17 PM	#8
WILDCATT Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 17	Re: Inherited a pair of WTF .22's, help??? Mossbergs were a popular target rifle for less money than a 52 win.the models were 43/44/144.they were abargaain for the price $17 in 1939.had lyman 57m an 17m front.my father had one 43B gave it to me and it was stolen.I have 4[44/144]