A Chance to Add Your 2 Cents

[2weelz]

I was amazed that in the USA Today Poll conducted on their website (link below) reflected 98% in favor of interpretation of the Second Amendment being that it IS truly the peoples right to keep and bear arms and not a reference to the military only as the Hillary and Polosi camps claim. The link below relates to the US Supreme Court's decisions to rule, probably some time next year, on constitutionality of the D.C. law banning handguns outright. Interesting...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...he-high-c.html

[Northalius]

Well, if they read it in context, the militia is made up of private citizens, and according to the 2nd Amendment, they were for the security of their own State! Not the whole nation as a whole.

",...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Clearly showing they meant this for the private citizens, the people... no questions asked. The founding fathers saw how important it was for citizens to be armed; they learned from experience from the Revolutionary War.

If "the militia" in the 2nd Amendment meant "the military", then why are "the land or naval forces" and "the militia" split up into two different entities in the 5th Amendment?!

The land or naval forces, obviously meant as the military back when they originally wrote these first Amendments.

So, there's no true cloud over the issue... only those that purposely try to make a cloud over the issue, simply and obviously to get their own agenda passed. A very traitorous, deceptive and criminal agenda, at that.

[millwright]

I often ask anyone propounding the Second Amendment as a "collective" right delimited to government agents if they would willingly accept the same circumscription of the First Amendment. I have yet to receive an affirmative answer.......

Instead I urge everyone to consider, "Why are so many so willing to spend so much money to evade, confound or elude the basic premise of the Second Amendment ? " Looked at realistically, firearm deaths from all causes are half those of motor vehicle accidents. If we remove criminal/criminal and LEO apprehensions that disparity is even greater. In effect we're being asked to risk a great deal upon highly suspect "data" in the hopes we'll manage to confound decades of proven, peer-supported, sociological and criminological fact. >MW

[KING64]

It is my opinion that the 2nd Amendment is only the first of the amendments that the pro-big government, "ruling class" loving liberals will attack. If they are successful in diminishing or doing away with the 2nd amendment it will be their next tactic to destroy other amendments so dear and necessary to maintain the greatness of our country. Do you not think that they will next go after the 1st Amendment, the 4th and then the 5th and on and on to achieve their goal? I see this attack on the 2nd Amendment (and the constitution as a whole) as only the tip of the iceberg. They are much smarter than to attempt to do away with the entire constitution in one fell swoop. Do away with the means for the people to fight back and then it will be much easier to successfully do away with the other "annoying" amendments that stand in the way of a ruling class to have total and
absolute control of the citizens (peasants) of this once great country.

I see the attack on the 2nd Amendment as an incremental approach to the total overhaul of our form of government and our way of life. Am I being paranoid? I don't think so.

[Bruce FLinch]

While I think most people are aware of the 2nd ammendment. The Sheeple feel it is no longer neccessary. So they have no feeling one way or the other. They don't think its a problem if it goes away. Like most of the problems this country has, Blame it on the Politicians & the Sheeple who keep reelecting them.

[armedandsafe]

Go to Staples (or wherever) and get one of the pin-on lapel badges. Make up a badgs the says

"I AM A PEOPLE!"

Even the most obtuse will understand what you are talking about and it is fun. We did that in San Diego, once and had a group of antis most flustered.

Pops
(Yes, it is gramaticly incorrect. That is part of the emphasis of it.)

[user]

In contrast, consider that the U.S. Constitution is the charter for the United States, and only indirectly limits what individuals and states can do - the Constitution specifically states that the United States is authorized to do only what the Constitution specifically allows.

Then consider that there is no provision in the Constitution for the United States to have any kind of law enforcement authority - that power is reserved to the States. That's why they always have to have a local law enforcement officer on hand when the FBI, DEA, or whatnot want to execute warrants.

I think I'm seeing a pattern here... second amendment rights reserved to governments? Perhaps it all boils down to power.

[2weelz]

It is ABSOLUTELY about power!!! Our founding fathers were very, very aware of the dangers of expanding government and went to great lengths to limit governmental powers. To our great misfortune, as a people and as a nation, our "leaders" have ignored the safeguards built into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. WE have allowed it to happen. They have, and continually do, enact laws and usurp powers that fly in the face of Constitutional boundaries. This has been going on for many decades, but, really kicked into high gear during, and following, the depression years. That was the real beginning of the "great socialization' of our once great Republic. The federal government started its move to take control of the economy and, as time went on, education, commerce, agriculture, and more. Now there is a "Federal Department of..." for just about everything imaginable, spending trillions of dollars, with little (or no) "value added". Now, the latest rage in Washington is to appoint "Tsars" to manage any perceived ills. We have an "Energy Tsar" and a "Drug Enforcement Tsar" and a "Home Security Tsar". These are appointed positions, with incredible powers, that have no responsibility to the electorate, what-so-ever. There is NO authority granted by the Constitution for any of this non-sense. In truth, the Constitution forbids it. Over the years the "sheeple", as I've seen often (and appropriately) used, have become so complacent that it is now at the point where it seems, regardless what the problem is, regardless what issue is at hand, the first thing out of most everyones mouth is, "The government should do something"!!! How did we ever get to this point? It is a sickness. We, as a people, have created this monster through laziness, complacency, and ignorance. The inmates are running the asylum. It really is all about money, control, and power. Like the old saying goes..."You get what you pay for..."

[RIPBiker13]

All the amendments refer to "the people" so I fail to see why the 2nd would be the exception. If they find away to abolish the 2nd amendment, what's next? Right of religion and free speech? The right to be secure in our homes, property and person from search and seizure?

My belief is that guns are the glue that hold this great Nation together. Take them away from the American citizens and this Nation will fall.

[Northalius]

Yes, 2weelz. You mirror almost exactly what I was saying on another forum.

In that thread, I wrote something: Complacency of the people ultimately leads to tyranny of the government.

Go here http://www.network54.com/Forum/233672/thread/1196438238/last-1197138542/Judge+sends+46+people+in+courtroom+to+jail%2C+simply+because+someones+cellphone+rang+out...

On that forum, my name is: Northax

You'll see my constant posts, with all the quotes in my signature, and three American flags waving in there, also.

Let me just cut and paste a thing from that discussion, just to give you a little taste before seeing the whole thing:

...this is not a small, petty story. This is huge. A judge that clearly broke the the U.S. Constitution, thinking he was above the law! Yet the people aren't protesting to see that he rightly is put in jail for his criminal act!

Do you think he's one of only few judges that think they can do whatever they want? No. There are many like him, I'm very sure.

Judges, screaming "You're in contempt of court", and ignorantly sending people to jail, simply because they yell at the judge in disrespect, or anything small like this? This is too much power given to a judge. Throw the person out of the room, fine. But to jail him for such small acts is criminal in and of itself. The judges today take advantage of this, and it pisses me off.

The sad thing is, even though the commission took him down from his position (which I'm at least thankful for), yet the people themselves did not openly protest that he be tried as the criminal that he is, for clearly breaking the 8th Amendment rights of these 46 people.

This is evidence that the American people, as a whole, are lingering into such ignorant complacency.

Like I said: Complacency of the people ultimately leads to tyranny of the government.

The people, in the end, have the ultimate power. But, only if they have the will and knowledge to use that power when it's necessary.

As Thomas Jefferson says, in the quote found in my signature, the peoples' minds must be improved to a certain degree, first. Sadly, many peoples' minds have degenerated into a place of slavery, thinking the ultimate power is in the hands of government. It's not!

Stand up, people. You have the power. You have the power to bring the government, whether local or federal, to its knees, simply by protesting constantly, day and night.

I sound like I'm speaking to people living under a dictatorship, I know. I also know it's not that bad in the U.S. as a whole... yet. The thing is, I want people to wake up before it does get that bad.

Again, remember: to keep what we have, we must remain as strong as we were when we first received it.

The People:

A boxer that has built himself up physically to great heights, and practiced day and night to make his aim in punching extremely sharp and agile. Then, finally, he wins his belt, as #1 fighter in the world!

The boxer, though, after a while, becomes complacent, and thus thinks he doesn't need to train nor work out as hard as he used to; he keeps fighting others and winning, however, for now.

Over time, he drops tiny pieces of each workout out of his schedule; his muscles wear out, little by little... but not so much on a daily basis to make him take drastic notice. He stops shadow boxing and practicing on a daily basis, and slowly, but surely, his aim and quickness drop off little by little. Again, not drastically for him to notice.

The Government:

There's another boxer aiming to take the belt from this boxer, however. He puts his mind on training every single day, because his goal is to take that belt away from boxer #1. His muscles get stronger, his aim sharper with each punch he throws, his agility higher with every hard move changing direction at the next split second.

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The day comes for the big fight, where boxer #2 eventually wins the belt from boxer #1, since #2 kept pushing himself to greater limits, slowly but surely, by having the hope of boxer #1 becoming complacent, since that's usually what happens with people that finally reach their goal in life. They think it's time to rest, but in that rest, they give up the fire they once had within them to win.

The people must exercise their rights on a daily basis, and take advantage of all things we have readily at our fingertips... for now. We need to keep in shape, so as not to ultimately lose the big fight that is always going to be fought between government and a free people.

Government always seeks to slowly creep in and infringe upon the rights of people, as much as they can, without getting the notice of all the people as a whole.

Look at the government as an animal that needs to be constantly tamed and put in its place.

If anyone else here watches The Dog Whisperer on the National Geographic channel, you'll see many people that've fallen prey to the affection of their dogs. The people give in to letting the dogs do whatever they want, since the people assume the dogs wouldn't be thinking they're the master of the pack! They're "so cute and cuddly" after all, right?

To their amazement, Cesar Milan shows them the truth: Dogs most of the time look at themselves as the leader of the pack, and the owners don't even know it! The dog, slowly but sure, starts walking ahead of their owner! This shows they're claiming dominance of the pack! Meanwhile, the owner has the ease of taking that position of leader from the dog, yet is ignorant of the fact of this. The dog keeps leading the owner where the dog wants to go, when the owner should be leading the dog where the owner wants to go.

The dog represents the government.

The owner represents the people.

The people have the power to easily take control when the government oversteps and takes advantage of its power; but in the peoples' subconscious minds, they think if the government makes the laws, then they also have the authority to break them, as well.

How sad.

If the people remain in ignorance and complacency, then this country is ultimately doomed. I will, however, die in freedom, with the gun in my hand, guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment... no matter what happens down the road.

And...

But, it's not only this case alone! Many cases, though maybe not as extreme as this, still do happen all the time, without the people openly protesting against such criminal acts.

Like I said: I am worried about the complacency of the people.

It's like someone looking at a rock, and thinking "Wow, this is very hard! Hardly anything could change its form by force!"

Then, I come along, and tell that person to throw the rock in a river of rushing water. The person does so, and laughs at seeing nothing happen right there and then. He walks away, thinking I was the fool for thinking water could change a rock.

Over time, with water constantly rushing over that rock, it will change its form into some other shape. This is a fact. Slowly, but surely, that rock will change. And the ignorance of the person that so wrongly assumed that the rock was unchangeable by mere water, is proven all the more.

He so assumed, since seeing the water with his own eyes, in that little instance of time he sat watching, could not change its form. Just like people watching government do a little injustice here, and a tiny injustice there, is nothing that can change the form of the strength of the people as a whole.

Little do they know, the little infringements here and there will grow with power as time goes by, and the people slowly get used to it; then, in the end, they're ultimately enslaved, and they didn't even notice!

The same way your ears adjust to louder volumes of music, but in the end, you'll lose your hearing, because it's not good on your ear drums.

How do you cook a live frog?

By throwing it in boiling water? Nope.

It'll jump right out.

Put the frog in cold water, turn the heat on low, and it'll sit there assuming nothing is happening, since the change in temperature is not drastic upon its skin, for it to notice right away. Slowly, but surely, that frog will be ultimately dead meat in the end, as it slowly dies from the ever increasing temperature of the water.

Hopefully, if that frog is about his wits, he can wake up, in learning from the past, seeing as how he doesn't remember the water ever being a certain temperature at which it now is, right before it starts boiling. But even then, it just might be too late, since it has been weakened by the constant temperature increase.

The frog must be smart, keeping watch on even the tiniest temperature increases in the water, assuming the worst at all times, to prevent from putting himself in a position to ultimately get boiled, then eaten.

Same goes for a society of free people, being cautious on a daily basis, of government seeking to infringe upon their rights and liberties.

We humans get used to things way too easily. A wife puts up with the bad husband beating her, and she forces herself to supposedly adapt to such pain, assuming it'll get better in the end... thinking she can change him in the end. Either that, or she's just too scared to leave, in fear of the husband killing her or her children. She should've gotten help at the first signs she saw of an abusive husband, not wait until it's too late.

As you can clearly see, I'm dead serious about being worried over seeing such complacency of people in our nation today. So much so, I felt compelled to make a few anaolgies of my own, to get the point across.

We need to wake our people up, somehow.

Click on the link I posted, and see the whole thing. People are actually laughing that a judge threw 46 people in the courtroom in jail, simply for someones cell phone going off, and no one coming forth to say who's phone it was. That clearly broke the 8th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

The commission took him down, but I was angered and worried that the people didn't protest for this criminal judge to be tried and jailed for committing a crime of crual and unusual punishment!

As they say: "If you don't know your rights, you don't have any."

How much have these traitors brainwashed, and dumbed our society down? It's truly astounding, and alarming.

We must stand up!