Surprising hearing this from CNN - The Firearms Forum

LurpyGeek · 12-10-2007, 01:08 PM

www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- A Colorado Springs megachurch instituted security precautions after a shooting at a Denver area mission center earlier Sunday, saving "hundreds of lives" at the New Life Church, senior Pastor Brady Boyd said Monday.

A New Life parishioner acting as a security guard shot and killed a gunman who entered the church Sunday afternoon after he had gotten no more than 50 feet inside the building, Boyd said.

Two teens, identified by police as Rachael Works, 16, and Stephanie Works, 18, were killed in what Boyd called "a senseless, random attack."

Boyd said the teens were sisters and were shot in the parking lot. Police said their father David Works, 51, was also shot and is hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds.

Boyd said the female security guard was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to confront the gunman just inside the church.

"She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon. Video Watch pastor tell how guard saved lives »

Boyd said the gunman, whom police have yet to identify, had no connection to the church.

"He simply showed up on our property yesterday with a gun, with the intention of hurting people, and he did," Boyd said.

The pastor also said New Life had taken extra precautions Sunday after hearing of the attack in Arvada, Colorado, early Sunday morning, in which a gunman killed two people after he was refused lodging at Youth With a Mission live-in Christian missionary center.

"Hundreds of lives were saved yesterday because of the plan that was put in place," said Boyd, who put the number of people on the church campus at the time as 7,000.

Authorities say the Arvada and Colorado Springs shootings may be related, and overnight police from Arvada executed a search warrant obtained by Colorado Springs police for an address in the Denver suburb of Englewood. Authorities did not say how the address may relate to the case.

Lt. Skip Arms of the Colorado Springs Police Department said that no motive has been determined for the gunman at the second shooting. The gunman's identity has not been released.

Police in the two cities say different weapons were used in the shootings -- a handgun in Arvada and a rifle in Colorado Springs. Video Watch police, heartbroken pastor react to attacks »

The first incident took place Sunday at about 12:30 a.m. at Youth With a Mission in Arvada. Police said a man with a beard, wearing a dark jacket, glasses, and skullcap, entered the facility, got into a dispute with a staff member about whether he could stay there for the night, and then opened fire.

Investigators tried to track the gunman through fresh snow with the help of dogs, but lost his trail in a heavily walked area, Deputy Chief Gary Creager of Arvada police said.

Then shortly after 1 p.m. in Colorado Springs -- about 80 miles south of Arvada -- a black-clad gunman opened fire on worshippers at New Life. Video Watch man describe shooting inside church »
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Youth With a Mission co-founder Peter Warren identified the two killed staff members as Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24. He said they were cleaning up from a Saturday night Christmas banquet when the attack occurred.

Another staff member, 24-year-old Dan Griebenow, was in critical condition with a bullet in his neck as of Sunday night, and a second survivor, Charlie Blanch, was shot in the legs, the group said on its Web site.

Marlin T · 12-10-2007, 01:40 PM

One of the reporters asked if they could have the name of the ‘security guard’, the answer was short, straight and to the point. “NO” This leads me to believe that the ‘security guard’ wasn’t a security guard, rather a civilian and a member of the church with a CCW permit.

I’m not surprised to see that the real hero got very little coverage.

catfish83861 · 12-10-2007, 02:09 PM

This morning on Fox they said the lady did in fact use her own weapon and was not in law enforcement at this time. Maybe some PD or Sheriffs department should hire her. She does better than the normal cops do in a shooting. She was evidently stationed in the center of the building when the shots started. All I can say is they need to get her some more ammo!

berto64 · 12-10-2007, 05:55 PM

Amen!

armedandsafe · 12-10-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

"She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon.

From the story above. However, she will NEVER be called a palin ol' citizen by the media. She will always be THE Security Guard (With those caps.)

Pops

SouthernMoss · 12-10-2007, 09:19 PM

You know, a church used to be considered sanctuary and even "bad guys" would honor that tradition. Not any more

Marlin · 12-10-2007, 11:00 PM

That's specifically why Charl Van Wyk wrote his book, "Shooting Back."

This book is a must in everyone's library that supports the 2nd Amendment.

Bruce FLinch · 12-10-2007, 11:31 PM

Gutsy Gal! I heard her acct on the radio. Impressive. She was a volunteer guard, member of the congregation & CCW holder.

12-10-2007, 01:08 PM	#1
LurpyGeek Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UT Posts: 1,436	Surprising hearing this from CNN www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- A Colorado Springs megachurch instituted security precautions after a shooting at a Denver area mission center earlier Sunday, saving "hundreds of lives" at the New Life Church, senior Pastor Brady Boyd said Monday. A New Life parishioner acting as a security guard shot and killed a gunman who entered the church Sunday afternoon after he had gotten no more than 50 feet inside the building, Boyd said. Two teens, identified by police as Rachael Works, 16, and Stephanie Works, 18, were killed in what Boyd called "a senseless, random attack." Boyd said the teens were sisters and were shot in the parking lot. Police said their father David Works, 51, was also shot and is hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds. Boyd said the female security guard was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to confront the gunman just inside the church. "She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon. Video Watch pastor tell how guard saved lives » Boyd said the gunman, whom police have yet to identify, had no connection to the church. "He simply showed up on our property yesterday with a gun, with the intention of hurting people, and he did," Boyd said. The pastor also said New Life had taken extra precautions Sunday after hearing of the attack in Arvada, Colorado, early Sunday morning, in which a gunman killed two people after he was refused lodging at Youth With a Mission live-in Christian missionary center. "Hundreds of lives were saved yesterday because of the plan that was put in place," said Boyd, who put the number of people on the church campus at the time as 7,000. Authorities say the Arvada and Colorado Springs shootings may be related, and overnight police from Arvada executed a search warrant obtained by Colorado Springs police for an address in the Denver suburb of Englewood. Authorities did not say how the address may relate to the case. Lt. Skip Arms of the Colorado Springs Police Department said that no motive has been determined for the gunman at the second shooting. The gunman's identity has not been released. Police in the two cities say different weapons were used in the shootings -- a handgun in Arvada and a rifle in Colorado Springs. Video Watch police, heartbroken pastor react to attacks » The first incident took place Sunday at about 12:30 a.m. at Youth With a Mission in Arvada. Police said a man with a beard, wearing a dark jacket, glasses, and skullcap, entered the facility, got into a dispute with a staff member about whether he could stay there for the night, and then opened fire. Investigators tried to track the gunman through fresh snow with the help of dogs, but lost his trail in a heavily walked area, Deputy Chief Gary Creager of Arvada police said. Then shortly after 1 p.m. in Colorado Springs -- about 80 miles south of Arvada -- a black-clad gunman opened fire on worshippers at New Life. Video Watch man describe shooting inside church » advertisement Youth With a Mission co-founder Peter Warren identified the two killed staff members as Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24. He said they were cleaning up from a Saturday night Christmas banquet when the attack occurred. Another staff member, 24-year-old Dan Griebenow, was in critical condition with a bullet in his neck as of Sunday night, and a second survivor, Charlie Blanch, was shot in the legs, the group said on its Web site. __________________ Knowing is half the battle... Of course, the other half is violence. -->

12-10-2007, 01:40 PM	#2
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Surprising hearing this from CNN One of the reporters asked if they could have the name of the ‘security guard’, the answer was short, straight and to the point. “NO” This leads me to believe that the ‘security guard’ wasn’t a security guard, rather a civilian and a member of the church with a CCW permit. I’m not surprised to see that the real hero got very little coverage. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

12-10-2007, 02:09 PM	#3
catfish83861 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Idaho Posts: 2,019	Re: Surprising hearing this from CNN This morning on Fox they said the lady did in fact use her own weapon and was not in law enforcement at this time. Maybe some PD or Sheriffs department should hire her. She does better than the normal cops do in a shooting. She was evidently stationed in the center of the building when the shots started. All I can say is they need to get her some more ammo! __________________ 'Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.' - David Hackworth

12-10-2007, 05:55 PM	#4
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,394	Re: Surprising hearing this from CNN Amen! __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

12-10-2007, 09:19 PM	#6
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Re: Surprising hearing this from CNN You know, a church used to be considered sanctuary and even "bad guys" would honor that tradition. Not any more __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

12-10-2007, 11:00 PM	#7
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,854	Re: Surprising hearing this from CNN That's specifically why Charl Van Wyk wrote his book, "Shooting Back." This book is a must in everyone's library that supports the 2nd Amendment. __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

12-10-2007, 11:31 PM	#8
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: Surprising hearing this from CNN Gutsy Gal! I heard her acct on the radio. Impressive. She was a volunteer guard, member of the congregation & CCW holder. __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.