Iowa and Ron Paul...not as bad as we thought! - The Firearms Forum

ThunderStick300MAG · 01-05-2008, 07:57 AM

Positive Messages from Iowa

Iowa went fine guys. While the result was not quite as quite good as we would have liked today, there are plenty of positives to take out of Iowa and we are in a much better position than many of our competitors. Below are some positive messages we should be using when we talk about Iowa to friends, family, undecided voters and the media.

(1) Contrary to what some here believe, we did significantly outperform our polls, just as we had been saying we would do all along.

According to Real Clear Politics, we were polling at 7.3% in the last five polls taken before the caucus (on average) yet, as of writing this, we are at 9.8%, meaning that we performed more than 34% better than we polled. That is a substantial overperformance—about twice as good as anyone else in the field.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...a-primary.html

(2) Despite the fact that we put very little effort into Iowa until very late in the game and despite the fact that Ron Paul spent less time in Iowa than any other candidate (in a state where in-person campaigning is essential) and despite our shabby treatment by the mainstream media we still were just 3 points out of third place.

(3) We destroyed former front-runner Rudy Giuliani—absolutely destroyed him with almost triple his vote total—and don’t be fooled—Rudy didn’t compete here because he couldn’t compete not because he didn’t want to.

(4) The winner in Iowa, Mike Huckabee, is completely unacceptable to large portions of the Republican party from Rush Limbaugh to the National Review crowd. Iowa has a much higher percentage of evangelicals than will primaries coming forward. Huckabee ain’t going to win New Hampshire and has little national organization.

(5) Meanwhile, of the other contenders, it was an unmitigated disaster for each of them. Despite spending tons of time and million of $ in Iowa Romney was crushed. And he’s going to lose to McCain in New Hampshire. McCain meanwhile, did not get the bounce that he needed from this performance. He is still low on cash and though he is likely to win New Hampshire it’s not obvious how he does well afterwards. Thompson’s performance was likewise weak given his sole focus on Iowa and his one time front-runner status. He is going absolutely nowhere in New Hampshire. He is also totally out of money. He may drop out of the race soon. Meanwhile Giuliani was embarrassed in Iowa and is toast going forward.

(6) Exit polls suggest that we WON Independent Voters, who are the key crossover constituency that a Republican candidate is going to need to win in the general election.

So where does that leave us? We have a wide open race right now. We are likely to be top 3 in Wyoming and we should also do fairly well in South Carolina and Nevada, where we have spent time building our base while everyone else was in Iowa.

Virtually every other candidate is broke and with the exception of Huckabee, they won’t pull in more money based on their Iowa performance. Meanwhile, we have millions in the bank and with our huge grassroots base, we can easily raise millions more. That money will matter a lot more in states that, unlike Iowa don’t allow candidates to meet every voter. This is where we begin to use our finances to our advantage.

We’re not going to have a clear winner going into Super Tuesday on Feb. 5th. Right now, we have a large funding base and the organization to get out our message and reach voters. Almost all our competition doesn’t because they have spent all of their time and money in Iowa and New Hampshire. While it is still an uphill fight for the nomination (as it always was, eternal optimists on this forum aside) we are coming out of Iowa in a better position than we came in and we are well placed to do some real damage in the primaries going forward.

The Revolution Continues!

Tom · 01-05-2008, 09:41 AM

This reads like putting lipstick on a pig. I don’t like Huckabee and don’t think he will go far, but that doesn’t mean I will support a nutcase like RP. I won’t support anyone who is too stupid to know, whether we like it or not, that we are in a war, and withdrawing and pulling up the drawbridge isn’t the answer.

Answering the question of who I don’t like is a lot easier than saying who I do like. I will let things shake out.

dcd_enterprises · 01-05-2008, 09:53 AM

I am in agreement with Mr. Paul on:

*Immigration
*Taxes
*Stem-Cell Research
*Health Care
*Abortion
*Gun Control
*Environment

We part ways on
*The war in Iraq, I could say this nicer, but HE IS A CUT AND RUN REPUBLICAN-AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION IN MY BOOK.
*He doesn't believe that any part of Social Security should be privatized.
*He doesn't believe that the president should be given a Line-Item Veto.
*We have major differences on energy policy.
*He doesn't believe that their should be a Constitutional ban on Gay Marriage.
*He doesn't believe that the Death Penalty should be used/expanded.
*He doesn't believe, as I do, that teacher pay should be based upon the performance of their students.

As far as the Republican side of the ticket, Mr. Paul ranks dead Last in my book.

Duncan Hunter

Agree******************Disagree
Iraq************************** Education
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment

Fred Thompson

Agree****************Disagree
Iraq***********************Energy
Immigration****************Education
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment

Mitt Romney

Agree******************Disagree
Iraq************************Stem-Cell Research
Immigration*****************Social Security
Taxes***********************Gun Control
Health Care
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Environment
Education

John McCain

Agree***************Disagree
Iraq**********************Immigration
Taxes*********************Energy
Stem-Cell Research*********Marriage
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Environment
Education

Mike Huckabee

Agree*******************Disagree
Stem-Cell Research**************Iraq
Health Care********************Immigration
Abortion***********************Taxes
Social Security*****************Energy
Line-Item Veto*****************Environment
Marriage
Death Penalty
Gun Control
Education

Rudy Giuliani

Agree**********************Disagree
Iraq*****************************Immigration
Taxes***************************Stem-Cell Research
Health Care**********************Abortion
Social Security*******************Line-Item Veto
Energy**************************Marriage
Death Penalty********************Gun Control
Environment
Education

Ron Paul

Agree**********************Disagree
Immigration***********************Iraq
Taxes****************************Social Security
Stem-Cell Research****************Line-Item Veto
Health Care***********************Energy
Abortion**************************Marriage
Gun Control***********************Death Penalty
Environment**********************Education

I'm not worried about Mr. Paul. I caucused for Duncan Hunter, but I knew he didn't have a prayer. Never in history has anyone been elected president from the House of Representatives. Sorry, Mrrs. Hunter, PAul, and Kusinich, and only twice from the Senate, Sorry Mrrs. McCain, and Obama, and Mrs. Clinton. Pop Quiz: Can anyone tell me, without looking who those two were elected from the senate?

As far as Agree/Disagree, the Democrats rank as follows, but the top candidate and I only agree on two issues, and they go downhill from there:
Barack Obama

Bill Richardson

Joe Biden

Hillary Clinton

John Edwards

Mike Gravel

Chris Dodd

Dennis Kucinich

pickenup · 01-05-2008, 11:18 AM

I'll stick with the nutcase that BELIEVES we still have a constitution.
Unlike ANY of the rest.

Does he have half a chance of changing much........don't think so.
But he may be able to SLOW DOWN the path chosen for us, by the elite.

The snowball is gaining momentum.

glocknut · 01-05-2008, 04:21 PM

I think Ron Paul is making a call to an America that is long since been dead...
Politics and peoples views kinda like a ship in the water...or even a person in a pool of water. Swift movements and changing directions are not done rapidly. You can apply force to move in a direction but water will only be moved about so fast...unless you have a tremendous ammount of force to apply to it. And in this day and age everybody has "at least" a slightly different opinion of things and its hard to get everyone to unite completely behind almost any idea being proposed.

mike
gn

01-05-2008, 07:57 AM	#1
ThunderStick300MAG V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wallburg, NC Posts: 177	Iowa and Ron Paul...not as bad as we thought! Positive Messages from Iowa Iowa went fine guys. While the result was not quite as quite good as we would have liked today, there are plenty of positives to take out of Iowa and we are in a much better position than many of our competitors. Below are some positive messages we should be using when we talk about Iowa to friends, family, undecided voters and the media. (1) Contrary to what some here believe, we did significantly outperform our polls, just as we had been saying we would do all along. According to Real Clear Politics, we were polling at 7.3% in the last five polls taken before the caucus (on average) yet, as of writing this, we are at 9.8%, meaning that we performed more than 34% better than we polled. That is a substantial overperformance—about twice as good as anyone else in the field. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...a-primary.html (2) Despite the fact that we put very little effort into Iowa until very late in the game and despite the fact that Ron Paul spent less time in Iowa than any other candidate (in a state where in-person campaigning is essential) and despite our shabby treatment by the mainstream media we still were just 3 points out of third place. (3) We destroyed former front-runner Rudy Giuliani—absolutely destroyed him with almost triple his vote total—and don’t be fooled—Rudy didn’t compete here because he couldn’t compete not because he didn’t want to. (4) The winner in Iowa, Mike Huckabee, is completely unacceptable to large portions of the Republican party from Rush Limbaugh to the National Review crowd. Iowa has a much higher percentage of evangelicals than will primaries coming forward. Huckabee ain’t going to win New Hampshire and has little national organization. (5) Meanwhile, of the other contenders, it was an unmitigated disaster for each of them. Despite spending tons of time and million of $ in Iowa Romney was crushed. And he’s going to lose to McCain in New Hampshire. McCain meanwhile, did not get the bounce that he needed from this performance. He is still low on cash and though he is likely to win New Hampshire it’s not obvious how he does well afterwards. Thompson’s performance was likewise weak given his sole focus on Iowa and his one time front-runner status. He is going absolutely nowhere in New Hampshire. He is also totally out of money. He may drop out of the race soon. Meanwhile Giuliani was embarrassed in Iowa and is toast going forward. (6) Exit polls suggest that we WON Independent Voters, who are the key crossover constituency that a Republican candidate is going to need to win in the general election. So where does that leave us? We have a wide open race right now. We are likely to be top 3 in Wyoming and we should also do fairly well in South Carolina and Nevada, where we have spent time building our base while everyone else was in Iowa. Virtually every other candidate is broke and with the exception of Huckabee, they won’t pull in more money based on their Iowa performance. Meanwhile, we have millions in the bank and with our huge grassroots base, we can easily raise millions more. That money will matter a lot more in states that, unlike Iowa don’t allow candidates to meet every voter. This is where we begin to use our finances to our advantage. We’re not going to have a clear winner going into Super Tuesday on Feb. 5th. Right now, we have a large funding base and the organization to get out our message and reach voters. Almost all our competition doesn’t because they have spent all of their time and money in Iowa and New Hampshire. While it is still an uphill fight for the nomination (as it always was, eternal optimists on this forum aside) we are coming out of Iowa in a better position than we came in and we are well placed to do some real damage in the primaries going forward. The Revolution Continues! __________________ There is a WORLD of difference in seeing the round hit a paper target and one that changes the targets expression. -->

01-05-2008, 09:41 AM	#2
Tom V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 197	Re: Iowa and Ron Paul...not as bad as we thought! This reads like putting lipstick on a pig. I don’t like Huckabee and don’t think he will go far, but that doesn’t mean I will support a nutcase like RP. I won’t support anyone who is too stupid to know, whether we like it or not, that we are in a war, and withdrawing and pulling up the drawbridge isn’t the answer. Answering the question of who I don’t like is a lot easier than saying who I do like. I will let things shake out.

01-05-2008, 09:53 AM	#3
dcd_enterprises Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wheatland, Iowa Posts: 1,313	Re: Iowa and Ron Paul...not as bad as we thought! I am in agreement with Mr. Paul on: Immigration Taxes Stem-Cell Research Health Care Abortion Gun Control Environment We part ways on The war in Iraq, I could say this nicer, but HE IS A CUT AND RUN REPUBLICAN-AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION IN MY BOOK. He doesn't believe that any part of Social Security should be privatized. He doesn't believe that the president should be given a Line-Item Veto. We have major differences on energy policy. He doesn't believe that their should be a Constitutional ban on Gay Marriage. He doesn't believe that the Death Penalty should be used/expanded. He doesn't believe, as I do, that teacher pay should be based upon the performance of their students. As far as the Republican side of the ticket, Mr. Paul ranks dead Last in my book. Duncan Hunter Agree**************Disagree Iraq************************ Education Immigration Taxes Stem-Cell Research Health Care Abortion Social Security Line-Item Veto Energy Marriage Death Penalty Gun Control Environment Fred Thompson Agree**************Disagree Iraq*********************Energy Immigration************Education Taxes Stem-Cell Research Health Care Abortion Social Security Line-Item Veto Marriage Death Penalty Gun Control Environment Mitt Romney Agree****************Disagree Iraq**********************Stem-Cell Research Immigration*************Social Security Taxes*******************Gun Control Health Care Abortion Line-Item Veto Energy Marriage Death Penalty Environment Education John McCain Agree*************Disagree Iraq********************Immigration Taxes*****************Energy Stem-Cell Research*****Marriage Health Care Abortion Social Security Line-Item Veto Death Penalty Gun Control Environment Education Mike Huckabee Agree*****************Disagree Stem-Cell Research************Iraq Health Care****************Immigration Abortion*******************Taxes Social Security*************Energy Line-Item Veto*************Environment Marriage Death Penalty Gun Control Education Rudy Giuliani Agree********************Disagree Iraq***************************Immigration Taxes***********************Stem-Cell Research Health Care******************Abortion Social Security***************Line-Item Veto Energy**********************Marriage Death Penalty****************Gun Control Environment Education Ron Paul Agree********************Disagree Immigration*********************Iraq Taxes************************Social Security Stem-Cell Research************Line-Item Veto Health Care*******************Energy Abortion**********************Marriage Gun Control*******************Death Penalty Environment********************Education I'm not worried about Mr. Paul. I caucused for Duncan Hunter, but I knew he didn't have a prayer. Never in history has anyone been elected president from the House of Representatives. Sorry, Mrrs. Hunter, PAul, and Kusinich, and only twice from the Senate, Sorry Mrrs. McCain, and Obama, and Mrs. Clinton. Pop Quiz: Can anyone tell me, without looking who those two were elected from the senate? As far as Agree/Disagree, the Democrats rank as follows, but the top candidate and I only agree on two issues, and they go downhill from there: Barack Obama Bill Richardson Joe Biden Hillary Clinton John Edwards Mike Gravel Chris Dodd Dennis Kucinich __________________ A veteran - whether active duty, retired, National Guard or Reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life." That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand that - Author unknown

01-05-2008, 11:18 AM	#4
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,838	Re: Iowa and Ron Paul...not as bad as we thought! I'll stick with the nutcase that BELIEVES we still have a constitution. Unlike ANY of the rest. Does he have half a chance of changing much........don't think so. But he may be able to SLOW DOWN the path chosen for us, by the elite. The snowball is gaining momentum. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

01-05-2008, 04:21 PM	#5
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Iowa and Ron Paul...not as bad as we thought! I think Ron Paul is making a call to an America that is long since been dead... Politics and peoples views kinda like a ship in the water...or even a person in a pool of water. Swift movements and changing directions are not done rapidly. You can apply force to move in a direction but water will only be moved about so fast...unless you have a tremendous ammount of force to apply to it. And in this day and age everybody has "at least" a slightly different opinion of things and its hard to get everyone to unite completely behind almost any idea being proposed. mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....