FN Five-seveN opinions

[muddober]

Originally Posted by Ranb

I shot one last year. I had read that it was a $200 gun (poor fit and finish) selling for $900. The one I shot looked and shot well enough, but I thought it was still over priced. The only thing I did not like was the heavy trigger. I will buy one in the future if I can find it at a decent price. I will also make a silencer for it.

Ranb

Ranb: You must keep in mind this is only post of yours I knew of when I wrote: " I would suggest you abandon your silencer building idea because it could fetch you many years in a federal prison". To me your post came off as some idiot trying to build a silencer for an FN 5-7 and all I was trying to do is warn you because are jails are full of mostly idiots. I never suggested that silencers are banned but now I do suggest that a person like you with the reasoning power of an ant and the temper of a scorned woman should not even be allowed to own gun.

As for the making silencers without a license from the feds (which again your post implied to me) for those who read this and care, they are defined as "firearms" in Title 18 section 921, so my memory was correct. Then again at Title 26 section 5845 at (a)(7) states any silencer (as defined in Title 18 section 921) which section includes even parts for silencers and (i) defines the term "make". Then at Title 26 section 5871 Penalties; provides for a term of not more than 10 years and or a fine of not more than $10,000.00.

I know to you this is just blah, blah, blah probably because you can't comprehend reading such a complicated body of law.

I will no longer waist my time engaging with you. I looked up the law for you as you suggested I do and posted it because I promised I would. but I just could not help myself putting a jerk like you in your place at the same time.

Ron

[Ranb]

Originally Posted by muddober

cakes, making a silencer is NOT legal.

Muddober, you are wrong again as you have been very consistently through this thread. While the law you quote is correct, it does not actually say that silencers are illegal in the USA as you claimed in post #19 above. You are lying by omission, a very stupid thing to do here on a gun forum where people like me make silencers as a hobby without a license but instead use the ATF form 1 to get ATF authorization to do so.

Just because I say I want to make a silencer does not make me an idiot. You are the idiot for saying that making a silencer is illegal.

I am done derailing this thread by defending my rights as American to make title 2 weapons without a license. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out. On your way there, take a look at this thread that I made just for you. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=73697 On it I explain how a person goes about obtaining ATF approval to make silencers without a license. It is very simple.

For the rest of the people reading this, I apologize for helping derail the thread and rant about my rights as an American. I should have just responded to Muddober’s insults in another thread right away instead of letting him (and myself) ruin this one.

Ranb

[InfiniteArms]

I know i do not visit here often and heck most of you probably don't even know me but i have to say i am embarrassed at the name calling, complete misunderstanding of the federal gun laws, and that this thread had to be pointed out to me by a customer who knows I host the site. I don't care to side with either of you but want to clarify the matter for the members and those that may find this thread using google.

Let me try this without any name calling and with some authority as a 07/SOT FFL having sold and advised on NFA for years (tho i am no expert this is just pure basics).

It is LEGAL for any citizen of the USA who lives in one of the 3X states that allow suppressors to personally manufacture one after receiving an approved Form 1 from the ATF. This is also true of ALL NFA firearms/items EXCEPT machine guns, including Short Barreled Rifles (SBR), Short Barreled Shotguns (SBS), Destructive Devices (DD), and Any Other Weapons (AOW).

The USC that were quoted do set the penalties for ILLEGAL manufacture of a suppressor but in no way states that personal manufacture of a suppressors is illegal.

Here are a few other USC sections that were not quoted:

USC Title 26 Section 5822
No person shall make a firearm (USC definition of includes suppressor as someone pointed out) unless he has
(a) filed with the Secretary a written application, in duplicate, to make and register the firearm on the form prescribed by the Secretary;
(b) paid any tax payable on the making and such payment is evidenced by the proper stamp affixed to the original application form;
(c) identified the firearm to be made in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe;
(d) identified himself in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe, except that, if such person is an individual, the identification must include his fingerprints and his photograph; and
(e) obtained the approval of the Secretary to make and register the firearm and the application form shows such approval. Applications shall be denied if the making or possession of the firearm would place the person making the firearm in violation of law.

USC 26 section 5845 defines a manufacture as follows (note the bold section):

(m) Manufacturer
The term “manufacturer” means any person who is engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms.


I strongly suggest anyone with a real interest in NFA start by reading James Bardwell's NFA FAQ and then post any questions on a forum dedicated to the NFA hobby such as http://www.subguns.com or http://www.sturmgewehr.com/

[weasle94]

FN did something about it alright,The 5 7 is over $1000 and the FN on the same frame in 9MM is about $ 450 or so .Just came from the Gun Show today and wanted a 5 7 ,but not for $500 more for a different chamber .What a rip off

[weasle94]

Also to silence a pistol properly ,you must use subsonic ammo .A silencer that may do something for the 5 7 might be twice the lenght of the pistol,if not more

[weasle94]

The 5 7 is $1000 ,yet they have another gun on the same frame in 9MM it costs about
$459 . Why?

[woolleyworm]

Originally Posted by weasle94

The 5 7 is $1000 ,yet they have another gun on the same frame in 9MM it costs about
$459 . Why?

Ah, supply, demand and good ole greed. That about sums it up; of course FN will claim that it is "development costs" and "set-up expenses". They developed the 5.7 and there's not much competition for the 5.7 right now. FN is the only readily available platform for the time being. ( I know that Savage is working on a 5.7 rifle, but not sure if it's out yet or not )

[hogger129]

I think it's a good gun to be honest. A lot of people like FNH's pistols. I saw a guy at the range the other day who just bought one.

I do think they get a lot of "hype" because there are varieties of it's 5.7mm round that are armor-piercing. Although not just anybody can go and buy that.

HK had some gun they made that has a small round like that too. I can't think of if it's the MP7 or what the name of it is.

And alot of that "hype" is what makes idiot politicians ban the pistol. It's not like you can just walk into a gun shop and buy armor piercing ammo without the right paperwork, etc. And you can make a bullet armor piercing I thought by simply spraying it with teflon.

And aren't there some pistol rounds that can penetrate light armor? I thought 7.62x25 Tokarev was one. Also thought .38 Super could do it too. Correct me if I'm wrong.


The only thing that turns me off about it is that I don't like the look of the gun. Idk it just doesn't appeal to me. It is also very expensive. And a small round like that can't have a whole lot of stopping power. I mean stopping power as in energy transfer. It seems like a small, hot round and so I would be concerned about over penetrating my target. Whereas something like .45 Auto spends all its energy right away. Big, slow and heavy -- hence over penetration is much less of a concern.

But hey, to each his own. This is your gun and if you let everybody else tell you what to get then you're shooting someone else's gun.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by weasle94

The 5 7 is $1000 ,yet they have another gun on the same frame in 9MM it costs about
$459 . Why?

I think most of it is "hype." And I don't mean that in a bad way. The 5 7 has a reputation because some people think you can go buy armor-piercing ammo for it. I am pretty sure buying armor piercing ammo is next to impossible without a good reason and the proper legal documentation/fees and jumping through the hoops.

I honestly think some of FNH's other pistols are just as good for what you pay if not a better deal. Like you say, you can go buy the same brand gun built for 9mm for less than half the cost.

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I've heard rumors of other 5.7 pistols being worked on.

I would jump on the chance to pick one up but only if the price was $700 or less. When I think about spending close to a thousand on a fun range gun. I start thinking about getting another 1911. I'm hoping that once there is some competition the price of the FN 5.7 will come down.

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