New or Used Garand - The Firearms Forum

Righteous · 02-17-2008, 06:29 PM

seeing how they still make new ones whats the difference if any other then being used...rebuilt etc. between new ones and the ones CMP has? Is it the background and history that makes the older ones more sought after ? I know there are makes other then SA that are more rare so thats a gimmie. Fixing to buy my first Garand and was planning on riding to CMP to look them over but i work for a sporting goods store and we get a employeee discount with Springfield. I dont want the best money can buy but want the best i can get for my money for what i want to do with it, mainly just to have one and to shoot it now and then with reasonalby accuracy.

Plundering Bill · 02-17-2008, 07:31 PM

It really comes down to how much you want to spend. I have several Garands and I adore them. Some will tell you that the "new" ones just don't seem to have the same appeal...however, the final choice is up to you. You will find that the new ones have slightly fatter stocks from Boyds than the CMP editions.

The CMP models usually have some decent ware...you may want to take a gauge with you to determine remaining life left.

Just some thoughts.

djohns6 · 02-18-2008, 07:56 PM

It's been a long time since I posted here , but I had to weigh in on this one .
I have two wartime Garands and they are precious to me . The way I see it , they have " been there , done that " . You need to decide what's important to YOU . For me , it's a no brainer . I want to hold that piece of history in my hands .

Righteous · 02-19-2008, 04:34 AM

Its the history that brought me to them so its that i will go with

LDBennett · 02-19-2008, 07:57 AM

I have two Garands: an original SA one produced in the last month of WWII and a Big Five Sporting Goods store (BFSG) one. The former I have modified with a new barrel (heavy) bedded the stock, added a scope, and refinished the stock. I also replaced any heavily worn parts. The latter is a US made receiver (not the new SA one) with Beretta surplus internals. I added the Boyds stock. The BFSG really shoots while the "real" garand is just an OK shooter. I have less invested in each of these two Garands then I would have if I bought a new SA version. But there is a draw to having a new any rifle..... You get to wear it out and it will probably take a long time.

As for an investment any Garand in decent shape will out pace any other version you might buy. If you think you will ever sell it then buy an original but if it going to be in your safe forever and in you kids safe after you are gone then it makes no diference which you buy. For occasional shooting I really like my Italian Garand. If I were to buy a Garand today and did not already have two I think I'd try to find a non-collectable run of the mill regular Garand that you see all the time at gun show in the $700 price range (or the CMP ones) but I'd make sure the barrel was not shot out (there is a gage you can buy from Brownells), the rilfing was bright and shiny, and the overall appearance was good and not beat up. To avoid any risk I might consider the new SA. The BFSG version is no longer available or that would actually be my first choice as the ones me and my son-in-law bought were gems.

LDBennett

Richard47 · 04-21-2008, 02:43 PM

Buy your Garand from Civilian Marksmanship Program. Direct from the government, cheapest, best service, they'll guarantee it.......Google CMP Sales, then CMP Forum to learn about it. Oh, they have relaodable 30:06 timed for Garand for about 26 cents per cartridge, less than the price of the bullet or the brass.

Everyone in America should do CMP.

TRAP55 · 04-21-2008, 05:37 PM

Mark Christian is thinning out his collection one at a time. Hurry up or this one will be gone!
http://www.mausercentral.com/forum/v...ic.php?t=22513

artabr · 04-22-2008, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRAP55

Mark Christian is thinning out his collection one at a time. Hurry up or this one will be gone!
http://www.mausercentral.com/forum/v...ic.php?t=22513

I just took a look at it .Buy it now, before someone else does.

Art

gandog56 · 05-10-2008, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artabr

I just took a look at it .Buy it now, before someone else does.

Art

Or did you mean buy it now....before I do?

And by "I", I mean YOU!

bluesteelnwood · 06-08-2008, 07:30 AM

Reallly surprised no one mentiioned that " new" Garands are made by SA Inc. and are not real USGI Garands made for the goverment. Their receilvers are cast instead of forged and their is nothing new about them except the receiver which is often out of spec, the stock and the commercial barrel. The rest of the parts are USGI that have been refinished and not new. The SA Inc is not the SA armory that made USGI Garands for the government and underwent extensive inspection to the point that if one of a hundred barrels were defective the whole group were scraped. Winchester, IHC and HRA were the private makers that also made Garands for the Goverment. ALso SA Inc. do not have any collector value. If new is important to you, get a collector grade from CMP for $950 which is close to being new. Believe me you will not regret buying from CMP. THe service grade which has an excellent barrel and stock etc is only $595. When these Garands run out the price will go up while your SA INc will and does go down the moment you buy it. Ask your boss what you pay a customer for a SA Inc versus a very good condition SA.

Dirtypacman · 06-10-2008, 03:07 PM

I would go with the CMP I got a beautiful shooter from them and I expect you can set yourself with the same. For less money then new.

gdmoody · 06-11-2008, 12:41 AM

Righteous - If you decide to go to one of the CMP stores (they are only open Wed - Fri), you do not need to buy any guages to take with you. They have guages that they will let you use and another great thing about them is that the employees will help you with the guaging and picking out the best possible rifle.

I have bought three rifles from the CMP (2 M1's and a P17). Two of them by mail and one in person at the South Store in Anniston, Alabama.

I will make a couple of suggestions to you:

(#1) if you go to one of the stores, get there at opening time to get the best selection.
(#2) go to their website (www.odcmp.com), download the application form and have it filled out when you get there.
(#3) Make sure you have all of the documentation that it takes to purchase a rifle from the CMP, the application form will tell you what you need.

It is a really pleasureable (is that a word) experience to walk into that store and see several hundred M1 Garands lined up wall to wall. Not to mention 1903's, M1 Carbines, Kimber 22 rifles, and other things as well.

Santa · 07-06-2008, 04:02 PM

Go original -- even if you have to get it totally rebuilt by a custom shop. A much better investment and no need to worry that someone messed up the machining or heat treatment with those original parts.

berto64 · 07-07-2008, 12:02 AM

Just bought a nice used one over on "Brand X" to go with my 03A3 that should be here this week.

I know, I spoil myself. The good side of living alone. Hehehe

LDBennett · 07-07-2008, 08:30 AM

posted wrong place...Deleted.

02-19-2008, 04:34 AM	#4
Righteous Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 36	Re: New or Used Garand Its the history that brought me to them so its that i will go with

02-19-2008, 07:57 AM	#5
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,718	Re: New or Used Garand I have two Garands: an original SA one produced in the last month of WWII and a Big Five Sporting Goods store (BFSG) one. The former I have modified with a new barrel (heavy) bedded the stock, added a scope, and refinished the stock. I also replaced any heavily worn parts. The latter is a US made receiver (not the new SA one) with Beretta surplus internals. I added the Boyds stock. The BFSG really shoots while the "real" garand is just an OK shooter. I have less invested in each of these two Garands then I would have if I bought a new SA version. But there is a draw to having a new any rifle..... You get to wear it out and it will probably take a long time. As for an investment any Garand in decent shape will out pace any other version you might buy. If you think you will ever sell it then buy an original but if it going to be in your safe forever and in you kids safe after you are gone then it makes no diference which you buy. For occasional shooting I really like my Italian Garand. If I were to buy a Garand today and did not already have two I think I'd try to find a non-collectable run of the mill regular Garand that you see all the time at gun show in the $700 price range (or the CMP ones) but I'd make sure the barrel was not shot out (there is a gage you can buy from Brownells), the rilfing was bright and shiny, and the overall appearance was good and not beat up. To avoid any risk I might consider the new SA. The BFSG version is no longer available or that would actually be my first choice as the ones me and my son-in-law bought were gems. LDBennett

04-21-2008, 02:43 PM	#6
Richard47 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4	Re: New or Used Garand Buy your Garand from Civilian Marksmanship Program. Direct from the government, cheapest, best service, they'll guarantee it.......Google CMP Sales, then CMP Forum to learn about it. Oh, they have relaodable 30:06 timed for Garand for about 26 cents per cartridge, less than the price of the bullet or the brass. Everyone in America should do CMP.

04-21-2008, 05:37 PM	#7
TRAP55 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Occupied Territory Of Kalifornia Posts: 1,834	Re: New or Used Garand Mark Christian is thinning out his collection one at a time. Hurry up or this one will be gone! http://www.mausercentral.com/forum/v...ic.php?t=22513 __________________ Aim small...Miss small www.mausercentral.com/forum

06-08-2008, 07:30 AM	#10
bluesteelnwood Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1	Re: New or Used Garand Reallly surprised no one mentiioned that " new" Garands are made by SA Inc. and are not real USGI Garands made for the goverment. Their receilvers are cast instead of forged and their is nothing new about them except the receiver which is often out of spec, the stock and the commercial barrel. The rest of the parts are USGI that have been refinished and not new. The SA Inc is not the SA armory that made USGI Garands for the government and underwent extensive inspection to the point that if one of a hundred barrels were defective the whole group were scraped. Winchester, IHC and HRA were the private makers that also made Garands for the Goverment. ALso SA Inc. do not have any collector value. If new is important to you, get a collector grade from CMP for $950 which is close to being new. Believe me you will not regret buying from CMP. THe service grade which has an excellent barrel and stock etc is only $595. When these Garands run out the price will go up while your SA INc will and does go down the moment you buy it. Ask your boss what you pay a customer for a SA Inc versus a very good condition SA.

02-17-2008, 06:29 PM	#1
Righteous Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 36	New or Used Garand seeing how they still make new ones whats the difference if any other then being used...rebuilt etc. between new ones and the ones CMP has? Is it the background and history that makes the older ones more sought after ? I know there are makes other then SA that are more rare so thats a gimmie. Fixing to buy my first Garand and was planning on riding to CMP to look them over but i work for a sporting goods store and we get a employeee discount with Springfield. I dont want the best money can buy but want the best i can get for my money for what i want to do with it, mainly just to have one and to shoot it now and then with reasonalby accuracy. -->

02-17-2008, 07:31 PM	#2
Plundering Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 6	Re: New or Used Garand It really comes down to how much you want to spend. I have several Garands and I adore them. Some will tell you that the "new" ones just don't seem to have the same appeal...however, the final choice is up to you. You will find that the new ones have slightly fatter stocks from Boyds than the CMP editions. The CMP models usually have some decent ware...you may want to take a gauge with you to determine remaining life left. Just some thoughts.

02-18-2008, 07:56 PM	#3
djohns6 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 194	Re: New or Used Garand It's been a long time since I posted here , but I had to weigh in on this one . I have two wartime Garands and they are precious to me . The way I see it , they have " been there , done that " . You need to decide what's important to YOU . For me , it's a no brainer . I want to hold that piece of history in my hands .

06-10-2008, 03:07 PM	#11
Dirtypacman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Merrimac Valley, MA Posts: 908	Re: New or Used Garand I would go with the CMP I got a beautiful shooter from them and I expect you can set yourself with the same. For less money then new. __________________ Member HHRG and HSC, NRA Life Member, GOAL Member LTC-A

06-11-2008, 12:41 AM	#12
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,353	Re: New or Used Garand Righteous - If you decide to go to one of the CMP stores (they are only open Wed - Fri), you do not need to buy any guages to take with you. They have guages that they will let you use and another great thing about them is that the employees will help you with the guaging and picking out the best possible rifle. I have bought three rifles from the CMP (2 M1's and a P17). Two of them by mail and one in person at the South Store in Anniston, Alabama. I will make a couple of suggestions to you: (#1) if you go to one of the stores, get there at opening time to get the best selection. (#2) go to their website (www.odcmp.com), download the application form and have it filled out when you get there. (#3) Make sure you have all of the documentation that it takes to purchase a rifle from the CMP, the application form will tell you what you need. It is a really pleasureable (is that a word) experience to walk into that store and see several hundred M1 Garands lined up wall to wall. Not to mention 1903's, M1 Carbines, Kimber 22 rifles, and other things as well. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

07-06-2008, 04:02 PM	#13
Santa Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 13	Re: New or Used Garand Go original -- even if you have to get it totally rebuilt by a custom shop. A much better investment and no need to worry that someone messed up the machining or heat treatment with those original parts.

07-07-2008, 12:02 AM	#14
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: New or Used Garand Just bought a nice used one over on "Brand X" to go with my 03A3 that should be here this week. I know, I spoil myself. The good side of living alone. Hehehe __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

07-07-2008, 08:30 AM	#15
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,718	Re: New or Used Garand posted wrong place...Deleted. Last edited by LDBennett; 07-07-2008 at 08:36 AM..