Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m - The Firearms Forum

Xracer · 04-20-2008, 07:39 AM

Hi FuZe7.....welcome to TFF.

According to this article (http://www.whog.org/ppk/historypt2.htm):

" Finish was high polish blue during the thirties and early stages of World War II, trending toward a milled, rougher finish nearer the end of the War. Models were also finished in nickel, chrome and ultra chrome (verchromt), a type of silver parkerized finished. Engraved models were finished in blue, silver and gold."

I don't have a Walther serial #/manufacture date list, but your PPK was made before April 1940, when the "crown over N" proof was replaced by an "Eagle over N" proof.

FuZe7 · 04-20-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xracer

Hi FuZe7.....welcome to TFF.

According to this article (http://www.whog.org/ppk/historypt2.htm):

" Finish was high polish blue during the thirties and early stages of World War II, trending toward a milled, rougher finish nearer the end of the War. Models were also finished in nickel, chrome and ultra chrome (verchromt), a type of silver parkerized finished. Engraved models were finished in blue, silver and gold."

I don't have a Walther serial #/manufacture date list, but your PPK was made before April 1940, when the "crown over N" proof was replaced by an "Eagle over N" proof.

Thanks for the information, that link is really interesting!

BADSBSNF81 · 05-14-2008, 01:33 PM

Someone over at http://p38forums/ in the ppk section might be able to assist. Provide any and all markings, caliber, etc.

wonderwhippet · 05-14-2008, 07:09 PM

My references show that your PPK was indeed manufactured in 1939. That was the last year they used the crown over N proof. In 1940 it changed to an eagle over N. If the chrome plate is original it makes your pistol rare and highly collectible. However it was quite common at the end of the war for GIs to have their captured pistols plated, and that destroys most of the value. Maybe with some excellent clear close up photos we could tell if the plating on yours is original.

Danny · 05-14-2008, 07:59 PM

Hello,
I love Walthers and have a large collection of them.Your pistol was manufactured in 1935 as my data book shows.It looks like a pretty decent pistol and if you were to put it on one of the gun auctions it should fetch at least a grand.The bottom ext mag is selling for 350 alone.Hope this info helps some?
Regards
Danny

PS: I was looking at the pistol's picture that you posted.If you can post a pic of your pistol I can give you more details.However yours was made in 1935.The other gents were correct when they looked at the serial number on the picture.

wonderwhippet · 05-15-2008, 12:03 AM

The picture shown above is not this gentleman's PPK. His has a serial number of 858237 and it is plated. His was made in 1939.

Danny · 05-15-2008, 11:17 PM

Mr Whippet,
The pistol was made in 1935.I have been collecting for thirty years and have a data base from researching and advice from Dieter M in Europe.I do not mean to be impolite,but I would put up my whole collection on the facts.
Kindest Regards,
Danny
PS: I have one close to his serial number.I also have one of the first RZM PPK's made in 34.Its SN is 804xxx.

williej57 · 06-22-2008, 08:54 PM

there is a walther ppk that I can get with the number 182167 k. it look like this one in the picture,can some one tell me what year it was made and what it is worth?
Will

akppk · 10-09-2009, 07:55 PM

Hello Danny( or anyone who can help),
I read your posts and I was hoping that you could also help me with determining a value on a pistol. My uncle fought in WWII and was able to take an officer's PPK home with him. It is complete with a note from his commanding officer that allowed him to do so. He has passed away and my aunt wants it to remain in the family, but is willing to sell it to one of her nephews for the current market price.
This pistol looks to be a nickel plated waffenfabrik walther zella mehlis thur, ppk, 7.65 m/m with the serial number of 799686. It is complete with a clip, leather holster and documentation. It is in good shape, (not excellent) and has a "crown over N" marking on it. Can anyone give us an idea of what it is worth?

Thanks,
LJ

RJay · 10-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Need pictures, clear ones. If there are no other markings on it ,it is a commercial PPK. German officers did not carry nickle plated firearms. Nickle plating was a special order item, but they are very rare. this is why the pictures are needed. Most nickle { and all the chrome} plated Walthers I've seen were plated after the war. If this is the case the value drops to half.

akppk · 10-10-2009, 11:12 PM

Thanks, here are some pictures of it.
-Louis

04-19-2008, 10:26 PM	#1
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04-20-2008, 07:39 AM	#2
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m Hi FuZe7.....welcome to TFF. According to this article (http://www.whog.org/ppk/historypt2.htm): " Finish was high polish blue during the thirties and early stages of World War II, trending toward a milled, rougher finish nearer the end of the War. Models were also finished in nickel, chrome and ultra chrome (verchromt), a type of silver parkerized finished. Engraved models were finished in blue, silver and gold." I don't have a Walther serial #/manufacture date list, but your PPK was made before April 1940, when the "crown over N" proof was replaced by an "Eagle over N" proof.

05-14-2008, 01:33 PM	#4
BADSBSNF81 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 27	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m Someone over at http://p38forums/ in the ppk section might be able to assist. Provide any and all markings, caliber, etc. __________________ You do what you are.

05-14-2008, 07:09 PM	#5
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,583	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m My references show that your PPK was indeed manufactured in 1939. That was the last year they used the crown over N proof. In 1940 it changed to an eagle over N. If the chrome plate is original it makes your pistol rare and highly collectible. However it was quite common at the end of the war for GIs to have their captured pistols plated, and that destroys most of the value. Maybe with some excellent clear close up photos we could tell if the plating on yours is original.

05-14-2008, 07:59 PM	#6
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Va Contributor Posts: 594	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m Hello, I love Walthers and have a large collection of them.Your pistol was manufactured in 1935 as my data book shows.It looks like a pretty decent pistol and if you were to put it on one of the gun auctions it should fetch at least a grand.The bottom ext mag is selling for 350 alone.Hope this info helps some? Regards Danny PS: I was looking at the pistol's picture that you posted.If you can post a pic of your pistol I can give you more details.However yours was made in 1935.The other gents were correct when they looked at the serial number on the picture. Last edited by Danny; 05-14-2008 at 08:05 PM.. Reason: Confusion

05-15-2008, 12:03 AM	#7
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,583	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m The picture shown above is not this gentleman's PPK. His has a serial number of 858237 and it is plated. His was made in 1939.

05-15-2008, 11:17 PM	#8
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Va Contributor Posts: 594	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m Mr Whippet, The pistol was made in 1935.I have been collecting for thirty years and have a data base from researching and advice from Dieter M in Europe.I do not mean to be impolite,but I would put up my whole collection on the facts. Kindest Regards, Danny PS: I have one close to his serial number.I also have one of the first RZM PPK's made in 34.Its SN is 804xxx. Last edited by Danny; 05-15-2008 at 11:23 PM..

06-22-2008, 08:54 PM	#9
williej57 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m there is a walther ppk that I can get with the number 182167 k. it look like this one in the picture,can some one tell me what year it was made and what it is worth? Will Last edited by williej57; 06-23-2008 at 12:17 PM.. Reason: moreinfo

10-09-2009, 07:55 PM	#10
akppk Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m Hello Danny( or anyone who can help), I read your posts and I was hoping that you could also help me with determining a value on a pistol. My uncle fought in WWII and was able to take an officer's PPK home with him. It is complete with a note from his commanding officer that allowed him to do so. He has passed away and my aunt wants it to remain in the family, but is willing to sell it to one of her nephews for the current market price. This pistol looks to be a nickel plated waffenfabrik walther zella mehlis thur, ppk, 7.65 m/m with the serial number of 799686. It is complete with a clip, leather holster and documentation. It is in good shape, (not excellent) and has a "crown over N" marking on it. Can anyone give us an idea of what it is worth? Thanks, LJ

10-09-2009, 08:41 PM	#11
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,486	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m Need pictures, clear ones. If there are no other markings on it ,it is a commercial PPK. German officers did not carry nickle plated firearms. Nickle plating was a special order item, but they are very rare. this is why the pictures are needed. Most nickle { and all the chrome} plated Walthers I've seen were plated after the war. If this is the case the value drops to half. __________________ RonJames

10-10-2009, 11:12 PM	#12
akppk Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2	Re: Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis PPK (thur) Walther patent cal 7.65 m/m Thanks, here are some pictures of it. -Louis Attached Images