Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? - The Firearms Forum

Wolery · 06-09-2008, 04:21 PM

Howdy again muchachos!

I have a question about shotguns...obviously. See I'm still writing that WWII AH story, and I read that the Germans historically had no shotguns in their military arsenal. And since my protagonist advances through the ranks by weapon design, I thought, what a great opportunity to ratchet it up a notch. So I was thinking his team designs a shotgun for dual military/police work.

This theoretical gun is a 12 gauge, 16 round, magazine fed, double barreled shotgun wherein the pump rotates from right to left, loading one barel then the other. There's two triggers for dual discharge, at which time, two pumps are needed to fully reload the gun.

My question is could a gun like this be built, especially with high to medium quality workmanship and materials available to Germany in the WWII period? And while I'm at it, is there a gun like this in real life, and if so, how well does it function?

Thanks a bunch!

delta13soultaker · 06-09-2008, 05:49 PM

A weapon like that could be built but it would have to use 1 pump action that loaded both barrels at once in tandem with each pump stroke.

This weapon would not be practical. Go tape to Remington 870's together and try to use it....it would suck.

A shotgun would have zero impact on the end state of WW2.

How about giving the Nazis a relolutionary weapon in 1943 like night vision or twilight amplification devices.

USMC-03 · 06-09-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by delta13soultaker

How about giving the Nazis a relolutionary weapon in 1943 like night vision or twilight amplification devices.

Delta, try reading The Master Sniper by Stephen Hunter. He delves into this "what if" though it's in 1945, right at the end of the war. Great read.

delta13soultaker · 06-09-2008, 07:15 PM

Cool...I looked at that on Amazon...it is interesting so I saved the page to buy later....right now I'm reading the Dean Koontz Frankenstein series.

350Rocket · 10-10-2008, 11:19 AM

never heard of one, but i do know they make a double barrel bolt action!

gunmaker: "Szecsei & Fuchs" rifles, calibers from .300mag all the way to .500 Jeffery

oh, custom made and verrrrry expensive.

TranterUK · 10-10-2008, 11:52 AM

I have seen a double barrel revolver, the Le Mat. One for ball and one for shot!

Alpo · 10-10-2008, 01:52 PM

Such a gun exists. But it's not a production gun. Feller that made it calls it a 1740. That's an 870 twice

. He put a left hand and a right hand Remington 870 together. Pump action works both guns. Only has one buttstock. In this video he shoots both barrels together the first time, and then the right then the left.

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x...t=PB210045.flv

robertchambers · 08-10-2009, 05:20 PM

I'm pretty shure it was a Liege maker named Leve who made a double with twin tube type magazines under each barrel but it's not pump operated...it has a top key like a Charlin or maybe a Darne...it shouldn't be to hard to scare up a web photo or patent drawing using the name "Leve" ...I think the Liege Arms Museum has an engraved one in thier collection..

big steve · 08-10-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpo

Such a gun exists. But it's not a production gun. Feller that made it calls it a 1740. That's an 870 twice

. He put a left hand and a right hand Remington 870 together. Pump action works both guns. Only has one buttstock. In this video he shoots both barrels together the first time, and then the right then the left.

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x...t=PB210045.flv

WOW THATS AWESOME

Suwannee Tim · 08-13-2009, 02:14 PM

A buddy and I made one of these some years ago. He bought a lot of guns that included a Remington 870 12 gauge left hand, we took it and a right hand gun, made some replacement pins long enough to go through both guns, a link to hold the magazine tubes together, took off one of the stocks, the hard part was the forend. I machined up two forends out of schedule 80 PVC pipe and fiberglassed them to a third piece of pipe and.......viola! A double barrel pump shotgun. Ain't very practical.

Suwannee Tim · 08-13-2009, 03:39 PM

http://www.szecseidoubleboltrepeater.ca/home.html

USMC-03 · 08-13-2009, 03:52 PM

I've recently read mention of a pump shotgun with two separate magazines. No idea where it's made but apparently the idea is for law enforcement; one magazine loaded with buckshot and the other loaded with bean bags or some other non-lethal rounds.

Suwannee Tim · 08-13-2009, 04:52 PM

Thinking back on our little, well really big shotgun project, a few observations. It looked mean, real mean and would not have been a bad police weapon. It was heavy but cops don't carry their shotguns around all day. And it would intimidate the heck out of anyone that got it pointed at them. I didn't synchronize the safeties which would have been easy to do. Neither the left side stock or the right side stock felt exactly right, it needed a center mounted stock, a rather straightforward thing. A folding stock would have been good. The barrels did not shoot to the same point of impact and would have needed regulation. The left trigger was hard to get to and a needed a solution. The forend would have better been a pistol grip. We didn't finish it as we had more important things to do, careers to build, families to make.

glocknut · 08-13-2009, 07:57 PM

mike
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TOOHSOTKIL · 08-13-2009, 08:30 PM

There is a new item on the market called "d-rail/t-rail" can`r remember the name. It mounts to any tube magazine shotgun that can accept a tube extension. It rotates by your selection, you can keep your factory tube in reserve, it more than doubles a 8 round extension.

VERY wild on a Benelli auto, 12 rounds plus your factory tube in reserve.

Looks like a three barreled gattling gun mounted to the end of the tube. and don`t forget the PUMP 30 shot AK47 years back for those commie states.......

06-09-2008, 04:21 PM	#1
Wolery Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 20	Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? Howdy again muchachos! I have a question about shotguns...obviously. See I'm still writing that WWII AH story, and I read that the Germans historically had no shotguns in their military arsenal. And since my protagonist advances through the ranks by weapon design, I thought, what a great opportunity to ratchet it up a notch. So I was thinking his team designs a shotgun for dual military/police work. This theoretical gun is a 12 gauge, 16 round, magazine fed, double barreled shotgun wherein the pump rotates from right to left, loading one barel then the other. There's two triggers for dual discharge, at which time, two pumps are needed to fully reload the gun. My question is could a gun like this be built, especially with high to medium quality workmanship and materials available to Germany in the WWII period? And while I'm at it, is there a gun like this in real life, and if so, how well does it function? Thanks a bunch! -->

06-09-2008, 05:49 PM	#2
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? A weapon like that could be built but it would have to use 1 pump action that loaded both barrels at once in tandem with each pump stroke. This weapon would not be practical. Go tape to Remington 870's together and try to use it....it would suck. A shotgun would have zero impact on the end state of WW2. How about giving the Nazis a relolutionary weapon in 1943 like night vision or twilight amplification devices. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

06-09-2008, 07:15 PM	#4
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? Cool...I looked at that on Amazon...it is interesting so I saved the page to buy later....right now I'm reading the Dean Koontz Frankenstein series. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

10-10-2008, 11:19 AM	#5
350Rocket Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fort Campbell, Ky Posts: 14	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? never heard of one, but i do know they make a double barrel bolt action! gunmaker: "Szecsei & Fuchs" rifles, calibers from .300mag all the way to .500 Jeffery oh, custom made and verrrrry expensive.

10-10-2008, 11:52 AM	#6
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? I have seen a double barrel revolver, the Le Mat. One for ball and one for shot! __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way!

10-10-2008, 01:52 PM	#7
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,771	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? Such a gun exists. But it's not a production gun. Feller that made it calls it a 1740. That's an 870 twice . He put a left hand and a right hand Remington 870 together. Pump action works both guns. Only has one buttstock. In this video he shoots both barrels together the first time, and then the right then the left. http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x...t=PB210045.flv

08-10-2009, 05:20 PM	#8
robertchambers Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 41	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? I'm pretty shure it was a Liege maker named Leve who made a double with twin tube type magazines under each barrel but it's not pump operated...it has a top key like a Charlin or maybe a Darne...it shouldn't be to hard to scare up a web photo or patent drawing using the name "Leve" ...I think the Liege Arms Museum has an engraved one in thier collection..

08-13-2009, 02:14 PM	#10
Suwannee Tim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,227	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? A buddy and I made one of these some years ago. He bought a lot of guns that included a Remington 870 12 gauge left hand, we took it and a right hand gun, made some replacement pins long enough to go through both guns, a link to hold the magazine tubes together, took off one of the stocks, the hard part was the forend. I machined up two forends out of schedule 80 PVC pipe and fiberglassed them to a third piece of pipe and.......viola! A double barrel pump shotgun. Ain't very practical.

08-13-2009, 03:39 PM	#11
Suwannee Tim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,227	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? http://www.szecseidoubleboltrepeater.ca/home.html

08-13-2009, 03:52 PM	#12
USMC-03 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,825	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? I've recently read mention of a pump shotgun with two separate magazines. No idea where it's made but apparently the idea is for law enforcement; one magazine loaded with buckshot and the other loaded with bean bags or some other non-lethal rounds. __________________ Let not the rifles of good and free men be reforged into plowshares, but may they rest in a place of honor; ready, well oiled and God willing unused. For if the price of peace becomes licking the boots of tyrants, then "To Arms!" I say, and may the fortunes of war smile upon patriots. - Fortes Fortuna Javat -

08-13-2009, 04:52 PM	#13
Suwannee Tim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,227	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? Thinking back on our little, well really big shotgun project, a few observations. It looked mean, real mean and would not have been a bad police weapon. It was heavy but cops don't carry their shotguns around all day. And it would intimidate the heck out of anyone that got it pointed at them. I didn't synchronize the safeties which would have been easy to do. Neither the left side stock or the right side stock felt exactly right, it needed a center mounted stock, a rather straightforward thing. A folding stock would have been good. The barrels did not shoot to the same point of impact and would have needed regulation. The left trigger was hard to get to and a needed a solution. The forend would have better been a pistol grip. We didn't finish it as we had more important things to do, careers to build, families to make.

08-13-2009, 07:57 PM	#14
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08-13-2009, 08:30 PM	#15
TOOHSOTKIL V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Curracus Posts: 318	Re: Is there such a thing as a double barreled pump-action shotgun? There is a new item on the market called "d-rail/t-rail" can`r remember the name. It mounts to any tube magazine shotgun that can accept a tube extension. It rotates by your selection, you can keep your factory tube in reserve, it more than doubles a 8 round extension. VERY wild on a Benelli auto, 12 rounds plus your factory tube in reserve. Looks like a three barreled gattling gun mounted to the end of the tube. and don`t forget the PUMP 30 shot AK47 years back for those commie states....... Last edited by TOOHSOTKIL; 08-13-2009 at 09:01 PM..