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Old 06-24-2008, 08:49 PM   #1
armedandsafe
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Default Damb Camel's nose is in the tent, again.

.gov feels a need to know, so they pass a law. This law is to bail out the mortgage brokers who did stupid stuff. So, Senator Dodd decided it was must have been because they were using cedit cards to do mortgage stuff. If this passes, any firearm you buy on your credit card will be reported to the feds, with no "destroy/do not database" measure in place. At this moment it is reporting only the "annual gross amount of reportable transactions" to the IRS. However, once the database is in place, it can be expanded very easily, as has been proved in the past. After all, the term "reportable transactions" can very easily require an implementing regulation that the detail of each transaction be included "for tracking purposes." Bingo! Armalite, Rifle, Model EBR ... etc.

http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom...?press_id=2571

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June 19, 2008

Senate Housing Bill Requires eBay, Amazon, Google, and All Credit Card Companies to Report Transactions to the Government
Broad, invasive provision touches nearly every aspect of American commerce.

Contact: Adam Brandon
Phone: 202-942-7612
Email: abrandon@freedomworks.org

Washington, DC - Hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing legislation is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America’s small businesses. The provision, which was added by the bill's managers without debate this week, would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate, and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government.

Call Congress and Tell Them to Oppose The eBay Reporting Provision in the Housing Bill: 1-866-928-3035

FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey commented: "This is a provision with astonishing reach, and it was slipped into the bill just this week. Not only does it affect nearly every credit card transaction in America, such as Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express, but the bill specifically targets payment systems like eBay's PayPal, Amazon, and Google Checkout that are used by many small online businesses. The privacy implications for America's small businesses are breathtaking."

"Privacy groups like the Center for Democracy and Technology and small business organizations like the NFIB sharply criticized this idea when it first appeared earlier this year. What is the federal government's purpose with this kind of detailed data? How will this database be secured, and who will have access? Many small proprietors use their Social Security number as their tax ID. How will their privacy be protected? What compliance costs will this impose on businesses? Why is Sen. Chris Dodd putting this provision in a housing bailout bill? The bill also includes the creation of a new national fingerprint registry for mortgage brokers.

"At a time when concerns about both identity theft and government spying are paramount, Congress wants to create a new honey pot of private data that includes Social Security numbers. This bill reduces privacy across America's payment processing systems and treats every American small business or eBay power seller like a criminal on parole by requiring an unprecedented level of reporting to the federal government. This outrageous idea is another reason to delay the housing bailout legislation so that Senators and the public at large have time to examine its full implications."

From the Senate Bill Summary:

Payment Card and Third Party Network Information Reporting. The proposal requires information reporting on payment card and third party network transactions. Payment settlement entities, including merchant acquiring banks and third party settlement organizations, or third party payment facilitators acting on their behalf, will be required to report the annual gross amount of reportable transactions to the IRS and to the participating payee. Reportable transactions include any payment card transaction and any third party network transaction. Participating payees include persons who accept a payment card as payment and third party networks who accept payment from a third party settlement organization in settlement of transactions. A payment card means any card issued pursuant to an agreement or arrangement which provides for standards and mechanisms for settling the transactions. Use of an account number or other indicia associated with a payment card will be treated in the same manner as a payment card. A de minimis exception for transactions of $10,000 or less and 200 transactions or less applies to payments by third party settlement organizations. The proposal applies to returns for calendar years beginning after December 31, 2010. Back-up withholding provisions apply to amounts paid after December 31, 2011. This proposal is estimated to raise $9.802 billion over ten years.

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Old 06-24-2008, 09:03 PM   #2
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Default Re: Damb Camel's nose is in the tent, again.

George Orwell didn't know the half of the problem.......and as Ayn Rand noted, the way to control a society is to criminalize common behaviors. If this bill passes unquestioned, how long until even minor cash transactions are criminalized ? Its already quasi-illegal to carry more than a couple of hundred in cash....... >MW
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:48 PM   #3
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That's why I paid for my P229R with a cashiers check.

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