Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? - The Firearms Forum

alvagoldbook · 07-23-2008, 07:42 AM

Why does anyone believe that the Republican party supports your 2nd Amendment rights? Why does anyone believe that liberals want to confiscate your guns? When was the last time a liberal confiscated your gun?

Now lets go back just 3 years ago. The summer of 2005. Hurricane Katrina had hit New Orleans. And what happened under George Bush's leadership? Gun confiscation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kKeYXYjq8c

Dirtypacman · 07-23-2008, 07:45 AM

Are you serious?

packetsplace · 07-23-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvagoldbook

Why does anyone believe that the Republican party supports your 2nd Amendment rights? Why does anyone believe that liberals want to confiscate your guns? When was the last time a liberal confiscated your gun?

Now lets go back just 3 years ago. The summer of 2005. Hurricane Katrina had hit New Orleans. And what happened under George Bush's leadership? Gun confiscation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kKeYXYjq8c

Concerning #1, I dont. #2, Many liberals have openly stated that position, #3, George Bush had nothing to do with the confiscation.

45nut · 07-23-2008, 07:58 AM

It's nice to see someone blaming Bush for gun confiscation since he obviously caused the hurricane as well.

Take a look at Louisiana's politics for the last 50 years and tell me how you think the GOP confiscated those guns when Louisiana has been a DEMOCRATIC stronghold for half a century.

I guess Bush is also to blame for letting the criminals out of jail and not making use of all those school buses to get the folks out of town that didn't have transportation to do so themselves.

Give me a break.

CampingJosh · 07-23-2008, 08:19 AM

President Bush is in charge + gun confiscation happened = President Bush caused gun confiscation.
This is called a logical fallacy. The two premises--even if the President of the US really were in charge of everything--still don't lead to that conclusion. It's a Non Sequitur (Specifically--and thank you Mr. Carter, my 9th grade English teacher--it's called post hoc ergo propter hoc).

satellite66 · 07-23-2008, 08:25 AM

Another lefty trying to hide what the left really wants.

armedandsafe · 07-23-2008, 10:49 AM

Hmmmm I think I'd better subscribe to this thread.

Pops

Pistolenschutze · 07-23-2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armedandsafe

Hmmmm I think I'd better subscribe to this thread.

Pops

Yup. I did. Did you see my post in the "other place?"

LizardKing · 07-23-2008, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packetsplace

Concerning #1, I dont. #2, Many liberals have openly stated that position, #3, George Bush had nothing to do with the confiscation.

BINGO!
I do believe that this post can be called "trolling".
Perhaps we should force people to take a short quiz before allowing them to register to stop this sort of thing.....

TheLiz

Tracker · 07-23-2008, 11:12 AM

No---I don't think any Party has our 2nd amendment right's at the forefront, or even cares. Bush had nothing to do with the confiscation--a simple search will help you find the real culprit ( Local and State). Look at the major cities and the Parties that control their Gun Laws (Chicago, S.F.---Just to name a few. Not that I am all that impressed with the Republican party---But check out the Dems---http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Dem...un_Control.htm

So--In the defense of President Bush---He had nothing to do with it. In defense of the Republican Party---Research!!! Though many Rep's want to limit your right's of the Second Amendment--It seems numerous Dem's want to "abolish" "eliminate" your right's totally----Hey---Just a thought!!!

armedandsafe · 07-23-2008, 11:43 AM

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I do believe that this post can be called "trolling".
Perhaps we should force people to take a short quiz before allowing them to register to stop this sort of thing.....

Personally, I have no heartburn over trolling nor do I mind the trolls trying to disrupt things on THIS board. So long as the other members here keep things civil and keep cool, trolls often generate insightful dialogue. Censorship is practiced on this board, but only to keep things civil and honest.

Pops

Tracker · 07-23-2008, 11:51 AM

armedandsafe--I agree with you 100%--If the post in question is truly their opinion--then so be it--It gives us a chance to voice our opinion also---there is nothing wrong with a little debate, as long as we respect the right's of others to have an opinion that may not agree with ours.

BOB~EZ · 07-23-2008, 02:18 PM

[QUOTE=45nut;336362]It's nice to see someone blaming Bush for gun confiscation since he obviously caused the hurricane as well.

Take a look at Louisiana's politics for the last 50 years and tell me how you think the GOP confiscated those guns when Louisiana has been a DEMOCRATIC stronghold for half a century.

I guess Bush is also to blame for letting the criminals out of jail and not making use of all those school buses to get the folks out of town that didn't have transportation to do so themselves.

Give me a break.......Ditto, you read my mind exactly. Wait till tomorrow Dotty will be GWB's making also!!

SolidVFR · 07-23-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracker

...Not that I am all that impressed with the Republican party---But check out the Dems---http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Dem...un_Control.htm...

Ugggh why did I click that?

Tom Militano · 07-23-2008, 04:16 PM

Can any president cause a hurricane or just President Bush?

Prizefighter · 07-23-2008, 04:35 PM

Hating Bush is chic right now. It's the hip thing to do, just ask anyone who (somehow) manages to make his/her living at comedy.

"Bush pronounces some words different than us, ha ha ha! He's dumb, ha ha ha! He's from Texas, ha ha ha!"

Honestly, I'm ready for him to leave office just so I don't have to hear one more "clever" comment about him from some yuppie "comedian."

alvagoldbook · 07-23-2008, 05:51 PM

Who mentioned Bush causing a hurricane? Katrina had nothing to do with anything. The gun confiscation is what I'm worried about. I certainly don't have a high opinion of Democrats or Republicans. Hating Bush might be in fashion now, but I've hated the guy before 9-11, on 9-11, and after 9-11, being a lefty and all.

I don't know who exactly is to blame for the gun confiscation in New Orleans, but I'm sure local and state officials are to blame at some level. But to my understanding, when the confiscation of guns happened was after Blanko had signed power over to Bush to bypass Posse Comitatus.

Is there at least some consensus that Bush had/has control of the National Guard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8

alvagoldbook · 07-23-2008, 05:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvV2uz10eA&NR=1

Tracker · 07-23-2008, 06:08 PM

Bush did not call in the National Guard---
"Approving the request for troops, Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, added: "Things like this should never happen, and I am going to do all I can to stop it."

The governor of any State can call in the NG at any time---Example--California has outfitted their NG with fire fighting equipment, per the governor.

Not that I'm in agreement with everything that Bush has done, however why are we so quick to blame a man for something he has nothing to do with---Hang on!!! The cat just scratched my leather sofa---"Damn You Bush"

satellite66 · 07-23-2008, 06:09 PM

I know I will regret posting to this thread again but I am so tired of the left in this country.
Instead of going on and on with this mindless liberal agenda driven thread how about if we all agree with you that Bush is the devil and responsible for everything bad ever? Will that make you happy?

Tracker · 07-23-2008, 06:18 PM

satellite66--has a good point, let's just end the Bush Bashing Now---Well after this:
Because of Bush:

my ABS light came on today, started pouring rain real hard---flooding out the back yard, my Pit-bull is hiding under the table due to the thunder, and OH YEA---my cat's pregnant---

OK--No more Bush Bashing

Prizefighter · 07-23-2008, 07:45 PM

As far as Bush bashing goes, Bush gets credit for a great many things - good and bad - that don't have all that much to do with him. It's one of the pitfalls about being in charge, I suppose.

I've never really believed that one side of the aisle is "good" and the other is "evil." Truth be told, I wish a third party would rise to legitimate power and change the status quo around. My politics are thus: whatever the issue or question, I almost always come down on the side of individual rights and responsibility. I registered Republican simply because the party's values, ideally speaking, usually align with my own. If there's a Republican that supports more gun control, that's a Republican that won't get my vote. And any person at all in support of full blown disarmament gets my contempt.

The New Orleans situation was a disaster. A fiasco. A lot of things were done wrong. And trying to use that situation to extrapolate any group's long term policies is a tough road a' hoe, as the saying goes. Confiscation in that situation was a mistake on many levels, as it always will be. But it doesn't necessarily put me in fear that the policy is more likely to be put into place during normal times than before the disaster happened.

As for the first half of the original post: why do I believe liberals are in favor of gun control? I have no idea why they are in favor of it, or many other things they seem to be in favor of. I'm sure there are people for and against from all walks of life. I also know that whenever a gun control activist starts making noise or pushing their agenda, it's been a liberal every time that I've observed.

Nobody would accuse Brady of being conservative, after all.

SolidVFR · 07-23-2008, 08:32 PM

Can somebody please explain why it is OK to make fun of the way George Bush looks and pronounces words, but we can't insult the way Barack Obama looks or talks because it is racist? What ever happenned to 'content of character and not color of skin'? It seems that if you have color of skin you don't need content of character.

giturgun · 07-23-2008, 08:39 PM

Lets look at kartune klinton He caused the mag ban I think the massacre in tex was on his watch , and carried out by his extremly ugly appointee.

qUIZZ who said If I had x amount of votes I would have said turn em in mr and mrs america.
What party does she belong to
Who left the campaign trail to make sure he voted against your rights on gun ownership. NRA ran a photo on the 3 including this one with grins on their chins right after the vote.

wHAT PARTY DOES HE BELONG TO
now the biggie What party is running a Pres Cand that don't want you to know his middle name

Why is it never mentioned

I see leftist tree hugging I am gonna vote for change or my daddy voted dem. so am i all the time . They don't have a clue.

Quit trolling

CampingJosh · 07-23-2008, 09:08 PM

Guys, I'm pretty sure this isn't a troll thing. He's explained elsewhere that he is both extremely liberal and in support of the Second Amendment. He's been straightforward. He's been involved in gun conversations. And I don't really think it's a stretch to say that the GOP isn't exactly perfect on gun issues. (Though I would use *facts* to back up that assertation.)

07-23-2008, 07:58 AM	#4
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? It's nice to see someone blaming Bush for gun confiscation since he obviously caused the hurricane as well. Take a look at Louisiana's politics for the last 50 years and tell me how you think the *GOP* confiscated those guns when Louisiana has been a *DEMOCRATIC* stronghold for half a century. I guess Bush is also to blame for letting the criminals out of jail and *not* making use of all those school buses to get the folks out of town that didn't have transportation to do so themselves. Give me a break. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

07-23-2008, 08:19 AM	#5
CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,788	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? President Bush is in charge + gun confiscation happened = President Bush caused gun confiscation. This is called a logical fallacy. The two premises--even if the President of the US really were in charge of everything--still don't lead to that conclusion. It's a Non Sequitur (Specifically--and thank you Mr. Carter, my 9th grade English teacher--it's called post hoc ergo propter hoc). __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.

07-23-2008, 08:25 AM	#6
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Another lefty trying to hide what the left really wants. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

07-23-2008, 10:49 AM	#7
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Hmmmm I think I'd better subscribe to this thread. Pops

07-23-2008, 11:12 AM	#10
Tracker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake County Ohio Posts: 202	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? No---I don't think any Party has our 2nd amendment right's at the forefront, or even cares. Bush had nothing to do with the confiscation--a simple search will help you find the real culprit ( Local and State). Look at the major cities and the Parties that control their Gun Laws (Chicago, S.F.---Just to name a few. Not that I am all that impressed with the Republican party---But check out the Dems---http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Dem...un_Control.htm So--In the defense of President Bush---He had nothing to do with it. In defense of the Republican Party---Research!!! Though many Rep's want to limit your right's of the Second Amendment--It seems numerous Dem's want to "abolish" "eliminate" your right's totally----Hey---Just a thought!!! __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -- Ronald Reagan "We The People" "The Pro Gun Blog" Last edited by Tracker; 07-23-2008 at 11:18 AM..

07-23-2008, 07:42 AM	#1
alvagoldbook Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 133	Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Why does anyone believe that the Republican party supports your 2nd Amendment rights? Why does anyone believe that liberals want to confiscate your guns? When was the last time a liberal confiscated your gun? Now lets go back just 3 years ago. The summer of 2005. Hurricane Katrina had hit New Orleans. And what happened under George Bush's leadership? Gun confiscation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kKeYXYjq8c -->

07-23-2008, 07:45 AM	#2
Dirtypacman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Merrimac Valley, MA Posts: 908	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Are you serious? __________________ Member HHRG and HSC, NRA Life Member, GOAL Member LTC-A

07-23-2008, 11:51 AM	#12
Tracker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake County Ohio Posts: 202	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? armedandsafe--I agree with you 100%--If the post in question is truly their opinion--then so be it--It gives us a chance to voice our opinion also---there is nothing wrong with a little debate, as long as we respect the right's of others to have an opinion that may not agree with ours. __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -- Ronald Reagan "We The People" "The Pro Gun Blog"

07-23-2008, 02:18 PM	#13
BOB~EZ Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: TAMPA,FLORIDA Posts: 14	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? [QUOTE=45nut;336362]It's nice to see someone blaming Bush for gun confiscation since he obviously caused the hurricane as well. Take a look at Louisiana's politics for the last 50 years and tell me how you think the *GOP* confiscated those guns when Louisiana has been a *DEMOCRATIC* stronghold for half a century. I guess Bush is also to blame for letting the criminals out of jail and *not* making use of all those school buses to get the folks out of town that didn't have transportation to do so themselves. Give me a break.......Ditto, you read my mind exactly. Wait till tomorrow Dotty will be GWB's making also!! __________________ Grandpa once told me, never ever put your pistol under your pillow until you put your pillow on top of your pistol. May he rest in peace...DISABLED/RETIRED/NYPD 02/07/2002 23rd pct. East Harlem (el barrio) NRA FOR LIFE! Beretta M9 9mm. Tomcat .32 Colt Python .357 2.5"bbl. Taurus 85 titanium .38+p Win. 94 Legacy .44 Rem. Browning BAR .270 Browning A5 12ga. 1957 Ruger 44 carbine Ruger 10/22 Mossgerg 500c 20ga. Last edited by BOB~EZ; 07-23-2008 at 02:25 PM..

07-23-2008, 04:16 PM	#15
Tom Militano Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Jacksonville, AL Posts: 1,255	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Can any president cause a hurricane or just President Bush?

07-23-2008, 04:35 PM	#16
Prizefighter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Carolina Contributor Posts: 412	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Hating Bush is chic right now. It's the hip thing to do, just ask anyone who (somehow) manages to make his/her living at comedy. "Bush pronounces some words different than us, ha ha ha! He's dumb, ha ha ha! He's from Texas, ha ha ha!" Honestly, I'm ready for him to leave office just so I don't have to hear one more "clever" comment about him from some yuppie "comedian."

07-23-2008, 05:51 PM	#17
alvagoldbook Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 133	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Who mentioned Bush causing a hurricane? Katrina had nothing to do with anything. The gun confiscation is what I'm worried about. I certainly don't have a high opinion of Democrats or Republicans. Hating Bush might be in fashion now, but I've hated the guy before 9-11, on 9-11, and after 9-11, being a lefty and all. I don't know who exactly is to blame for the gun confiscation in New Orleans, but I'm sure local and state officials are to blame at some level. But to my understanding, when the confiscation of guns happened was after Blanko had signed power over to Bush to bypass Posse Comitatus. Is there at least some consensus that Bush had/has control of the National Guard? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8

07-23-2008, 05:57 PM	#18
alvagoldbook Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 133	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvV2uz10eA&NR=1

07-23-2008, 06:08 PM	#19
Tracker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake County Ohio Posts: 202	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Bush did not call in the National Guard--- "Approving the request for troops, Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, added: "Things like this should never happen, and I am going to do all I can to stop it." The governor of any State can call in the NG at any time---Example--California has outfitted their NG with fire fighting equipment, per the governor. Not that I'm in agreement with everything that Bush has done, however why are we so quick to blame a man for something he has nothing to do with---Hang on!!! The cat just scratched my leather sofa---"Damn You Bush" __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -- Ronald Reagan "We The People" "The Pro Gun Blog"

07-23-2008, 06:09 PM	#20
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? I know I will regret posting to this thread again but I am so tired of the left in this country. Instead of going on and on with this mindless liberal agenda driven thread how about if we all agree with you that Bush is the devil and responsible for everything bad ever? Will that make you happy? __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

07-23-2008, 06:18 PM	#21
Tracker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake County Ohio Posts: 202	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? satellite66--has a good point, let's just end the Bush Bashing Now---Well after this: Because of Bush: my ABS light came on today, started pouring rain real hard---flooding out the back yard, my Pit-bull is hiding under the table due to the thunder, and OH YEA---my cat's pregnant--- OK--No more Bush Bashing __________________ "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -- Ronald Reagan "We The People" "The Pro Gun Blog"

07-23-2008, 07:45 PM	#22
Prizefighter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Carolina Contributor Posts: 412	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? As far as Bush bashing goes, Bush gets credit for a great many things - good and bad - that don't have all that much to do with him. It's one of the pitfalls about being in charge, I suppose. I've never really believed that one side of the aisle is "good" and the other is "evil." Truth be told, I wish a third party would rise to legitimate power and change the status quo around. My politics are thus: whatever the issue or question, I almost always come down on the side of individual rights and responsibility. I registered Republican simply because the party's values, ideally speaking, usually align with my own. If there's a Republican that supports more gun control, that's a Republican that won't get my vote. And any person at all in support of full blown disarmament gets my contempt. The New Orleans situation was a disaster. A fiasco. A lot of things were done wrong. And trying to use that situation to extrapolate any group's long term policies is a tough road a' hoe, as the saying goes. Confiscation in that situation was a mistake on many levels, as it always will be. But it doesn't necessarily put me in fear that the policy is more likely to be put into place during normal times than before the disaster happened. As for the first half of the original post: why do I believe liberals are in favor of gun control? I have no idea why they are in favor of it, or many other things they seem to be in favor of. I'm sure there are people for and against from all walks of life. I also know that whenever a gun control activist starts making noise or pushing their agenda, it's been a liberal every time that I've observed. Nobody would accuse Brady of being conservative, after all.

07-23-2008, 08:32 PM	#23
SolidVFR V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 346	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Can somebody please explain why it is OK to make fun of the way George Bush looks and pronounces words, but we can't insult the way Barack Obama looks or talks because it is racist? What ever happenned to 'content of character and not color of skin'? It seems that if you have color of skin you don't need content of character.

07-23-2008, 08:39 PM	#24
giturgun Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kingsport Tenn Posts: 11	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Lets look at kartune klinton He caused the mag ban I think the massacre in tex was on his watch , and carried out by his extremly ugly appointee. qUIZZ who said If I had x amount of votes I would have said turn em in mr and mrs america. What party does she belong to Who left the campaign trail to make sure he voted against your rights on gun ownership. NRA ran a photo on the 3 including this one with grins on their chins right after the vote. wHAT PARTY DOES HE BELONG TO now the biggie What party is running a Pres Cand that don't want you to know his middle name Why is it never mentioned I see leftist tree hugging I am gonna vote for change or my daddy voted dem. so am i all the time . They don't have a clue. Quit trolling

07-23-2008, 09:08 PM	#25
CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,788	Re: Why Does Anyone Think The GOP Supports The 2nd Amendment? Guys, I'm pretty sure this isn't a troll thing. He's explained elsewhere that he is both extremely liberal and in support of the Second Amendment. He's been straightforward. He's been involved in gun conversations. And I don't really think it's a stretch to say that the GOP isn't exactly perfect on gun issues. (Though I would use facts to back up that assertation.) __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.